My Talking Point To Conservatives Re The Electoral College: It's An Affirmative Action Program.

[TrollBuster9090]

More precisely, it's a QUOTA system for small, rural, mostly white States who can't compete in a Democracy without special treatment. (That'll make their heads explode.)

I confess to occasionally watching Faux Noise, and yesterday they were gleefully pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of Democrats calling on the Electoral College to do something. That may be something your simple-minded viewers will buy, but for the record, there was no hypocrisy at all.

We despised the Electoral College BEFORE the election, and we STILL despise it. And you know what, we'll ALWAYS despise it, at our ideological core.

If it wasn't for the Electoral College, Al Gore would have been our President instead of George W. Bush.

If it wasn't for the Electoral College, Hilary Clinton would be our NEXT President.

Yes, on a superficial level we hate it because it's STOLEN more than one election from our candidates. And you love it, not because you love its slavery-tainted past; but because it HANDED those stolen elections to YOUR candidates more than once. And so, you rationalize. And sometimes WE rationalize. But at the core, ALL Americans actually hate the idea of somebody winning an election when they got fewer votes than their opponent. We ALL think that's unfair, at our core. And so do you.

The Electoral College is a vestige of a barbaric period in our history, when rural, slave owning states forced other states to give them special treatment in exchange for joining the union.

The Electoral College has been screwing up our Democracy for two centuries. After having screwed with our Democracy for two centuries, and having screwed with THIS SPECIFIC election, we thought the LEAST the EC could do was to clean up some of the mess it's created.

Yes, Democratic Electors in Washington even threw away their HILLARY votes to HAND YOU COLIN POWELL as an alternative! It wasn't because they hated Clinton. It's because they were trying to SAVE THE COUNTRY from Donald Trump! Take it as a warning. Take it as a SIGN of how badly we tried to save the country from this menace. Trying to use the Electoral College to do this was basically like asking the a-hole who just stabbed you if he'd be kind enough to give you a ride to the Emergency Room so that you won't die. It's not pretty but it happens sometime. And when Trump REALLY starts to mess with the country...with your Social Security, your Medicare, and your Obamacare, just remember WHICH Party made that last ditch effort to save you.

Regardless of what we TRIED to get the Electoral College to do this time, we have to keep remembering, and more importantly, keep REMINDING everyone ELSE that we actually DESPISE the Electoral College. If we repeat it often enough, maybe someday people will believe us, and agree to get rid of it.

[Abq_Sarah]

1. I don't see this getting a lot of traction.

The electoral college has been the way we elect our President since the Constitution was ratified. It's not something new that was suddenly sprung on the people of America. Claiming that it's antithetical to a democracy isn't going to work with anyone who has a rudimentary education on our system of government because they already know we're not a democracy.

[brush]

8. Not the greatest argument. Women couldn't vote when the Constitution was ratified, . . .

African Americans couldn't either, matter of fact, most were en-fucking-slaved.

Give us a break with that crappola, like nothing is supposed to change.

WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP ELECTING OUR PRESIDENT ACCORDING TO A DEAL MADE BETWEEN ALL WHITE MALE NORTHERN PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALL WHITE MALE SOUTHERN PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD JOIN THE UNION AND BE ABLE TO COUNT THEIR PROPERTY (ENSLAVED BLACKS) AS THREE FIFTHS OF A HUMAN TO BRING THEIR ELECTORAL VOTES UP TO THAT OF THE NORTHERN WHITE MALE PROPERTY OWNERS.

White male property owners being the only ones who could vote.

Why would you even want to publicly say that you want to keep that system in place?

What, just because it's always been done that way?

We should all on this progressive board be pressing hard to get rid of that relic of slavery.

There should be no question about it, especially after it has given us Bush and Trump, both losers.

[JHB]

2. That sort of argument usually bounces off them, but if you're looking for digs...

...bring up that Trump won on a technicality (Bush too).

Then again, most arguments bounce off them.

[Raster]

3. Another talking point: Hillary Clinton received more votes...

...than any other Presidential candidate in history.

[Jamaal510]

6. I heard a few

of them on FB claim that was a lie, and it was Trump who had the massive popular vote win. Trump and Conway have been repeating this, and they got some of their followers to believe them.

[Raster]

7. Oh please... Kellyanne Conjob's part time gig is a windmill....

SPIN, KELLYANNE, SPIN!

[The Wielding Truth]

9. Put Kellyann's name in with these. I have no respect for her. She is a traitor as much as the rest.

http://militaryhistorynow.com/2014/08/13/mouthpieces-historys-famous-wartime-propagandists-2/

[Raster]

10. I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. Baghdad Betty!

[Va Lefty]

4. As long as they continue to benifit from it there will be no change

but imagine the shitstorm faux news would be fomenting if the tables were turned.

[eniwetok]

5. our entire federal system is affirmative action

This is a point I made years ago... that our entire federal system is affirmative action for small population states and citizens in the big states pay the price. We're brought up to believe this all works out because the big states get more House seats. But if one looks at how any single person is represented, the who charade comes tumbling down. Compare any citizen in CA to WY. The person in WY has a 70x bigger vote for the Senate, a 3.3x bigger vote for president and their single House member. Any citizen in CA gets a 1/70th vote for the Senate, a 1/3ed smaller vote for president... and their single House member. Yes... one. NO ONE votes for their entire state's delegation. This antidemocratic absurdity exists where ever state suffrage comes into play... which also means the amendment process, or if the House must pick a new president.

[drmeow]

11. I'm stealing your quota line

love it.