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Better than getting rid of Electoral college would be Statehood for D.C. (Original Post) LaydeeBug Dec 2016 OP
We Don't Need To Get Rid Of The EC ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #1
There are states that split their electors kudzu22 Dec 2016 #2
and the electronic voting. It is altogether a bad idea. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #3
I've never used a voting machine kudzu22 Dec 2016 #4
we did that this year...I feel the machines can tweeked. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #6
I and my friends love being able to vote privately loyalsister Dec 2016 #22
Still Might Take An Amendment To MAKE All States Do It That Way ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #5
It would absolutely take an amendment kudzu22 Dec 2016 #9
I'm not sure it could even be done by amendment. WillowTree Dec 2016 #27
What would statehood for DC accomplish? WillowTree Dec 2016 #7
DC would then have electors. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #11
Don't they already have electors? moose65 Dec 2016 #14
They already do philosslayer Dec 2016 #17
They can only have as many electors as the least populated state. They would have more. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #18
They would have the same number they have now SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #19
If a state, Washington DC would be the least populated philosslayer Dec 2016 #20
Third least populated. Dr. Strange Dec 2016 #23
And, yet, still, two more US Senators and a voting member of the House, not just a delegate LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #24
Wouldn't their name be Columbia? raging moderate Dec 2016 #8
Yes, and Washington is a city Retrograde Dec 2016 #12
and right now, they are taxed, but not represented. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #13
K&R. The people of D.C. deserve Statehood. think Dec 2016 #10
Would require a constitutional amendment which isn't going to happen in our lifetime. briv1016 Dec 2016 #15
Don't forget Puerto Rico! Initech Dec 2016 #16
I want both DavidDvorkin Dec 2016 #21
Terrible idea, and unconstitutional to boot. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #25
And make California 30 different states itsrobert Dec 2016 #26
Agree about statehood Astraea Dec 2016 #28

ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
1. We Don't Need To Get Rid Of The EC
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:58 PM
Dec 2016

We need to test constitutional muster and challenge the winner take all element of it.

It would still serve the purpose intended and would require fewer defectors to prevent an autocratic populist from winning without winning the overall popular vote.

I went and read it and don't see anything in Article II that says the states must vote as a unanimous block.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
2. There are states that split their electors
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:03 PM
Dec 2016

Nebraska and Maine both split their votes. Just that Trump won all from Nebraska and one out of the four in Maine. There's nothing stopping states from doing this, but there's also nothing requiring them to apportion rather than winner-take-all. It's completely a state decision.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
3. and the electronic voting. It is altogether a bad idea.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:04 PM
Dec 2016

What happened to the booth? And old school paper ballots?

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
4. I've never used a voting machine
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:06 PM
Dec 2016

My precinct has machine-read paper ballots where you fill in ovals.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
6. we did that this year...I feel the machines can tweeked.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:08 PM
Dec 2016

I like the old school curtains and booth kind

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
22. I and my friends love being able to vote privately
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:28 PM
Dec 2016

It was the first time for many. All people are entitled to privacy when there is a a possibility. Unless of course that is a luxury reserved for nondisabled people.

ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
5. Still Might Take An Amendment To MAKE All States Do It That Way
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:08 PM
Dec 2016

Probably so, i guess. But, if it were done that way, it would prevent what just happened. And same in 2000.

They were worried that the big states would dominate so the went EC. Then Ohio and Pennsylvania were 2 of the 4 lever states and they are big states. And Michigan isn't exactly Montana or Idaho in population. So, really it's 3 big states that made the difference.

So, even that plan didn't work.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
9. It would absolutely take an amendment
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

to force that method on states, and that will never happen. Same reason they wouldn't vote to get rid of the EC.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
27. I'm not sure it could even be done by amendment.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:51 PM
Dec 2016

To do it at all would be a matter of the federal government interfering with how the states conduct the individual presidential elections. I'm thinking that to try it at all would be opening a big, messy can of worms.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
7. What would statehood for DC accomplish?
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:09 PM
Dec 2016

I mean, I understand that it would get DC representation in Congress, but I don't see what that has to do with the Electoral College.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
14. Don't they already have electors?
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:12 PM
Dec 2016

DC has 3 electoral votes, so I assume they already have electors.

I'm in favor of DC having the same number of House members that they would have if they were a state. They should have a full voting member of the House, and they should also have Senate representation. Whether it's statehood or a special designation as a District doesn't really matter to me.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
24. And, yet, still, two more US Senators and a voting member of the House, not just a delegate
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:42 PM
Dec 2016

would be great.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
12. Yes, and Washington is a city
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 05:39 PM
Dec 2016

in the District/State of Columbia. There were other towns in the district in the past - Georgetown comes to mind- but they all got amalgamated into one big administrative unit. And we already deal with multiple cities with the same name in different parts of the countries (and with two Carolinas, Dakotas, and Virginias for that matter)

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
15. Would require a constitutional amendment which isn't going to happen in our lifetime.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:21 PM
Dec 2016

Same goes for Puerto Rico. (Though admittedly that wouldn't require an amendment.)

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
25. Terrible idea, and unconstitutional to boot.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:00 PM
Dec 2016

The reason why Congress explicitly has sovereign powers over DC is that the founders feared that if the federal government was located in any state, that state could in essence hold the government hostage.

It's the same reason that you can't arrest a legislator for anything said or written in Congress, or impede a legislator for anything except a serious matter (felony, treason, breach of peace) in going to or from session.

The exact provision is in Article I, Section 8 (Legislative powers):
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And


Stop and think for a minute about why they thought this was necessary. If Congress were located in a sovereign state with its own legislature and executive, that state government would basically be able to hold Congress hostage by taxing and surrounding.

Think about Christie and Bridgegate, and now imagine that surrounding Congress.

You are a nice and intelligent person - don't let this election drive you nuts. There will be plenty more, and our chief honcho taking office in January is such an abrasive personality that even his own voters don't like him. They just wanted a change.


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