Conservatives who say "Now Democrats know what Republicans felt like in 2008"

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I've heard this a lot from conservatives, this piece is a good example:
http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/

However this line drives me crazy because as we well know, Trump and Obama are nothing like at all, except for maybe having a bit of cult of personality about them.

Obama was never so amazingly dishonest, so vulgar, so mean, so angry, so erratic, so hostile to the press, so ignorant, he never associated with true racists, etc.

Obama also won his election handily, for good reason, with no tricks, and of course governed with great calm and dignity and balance.


HOW CAN ANY SANE PERSON COMPARE THESE TWO ELECTIONS????

[JHan]

1. They love to drag us to their level -_-

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4. true... the best I figure is deep down they are very worried too and are using this as an

emotional aid.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. did obama win the presidency after losing the popular vote by 3 million? no

so no, we don't know what 2008 feels like

this feels like we got cheated. not like we lost cos our ideas suck.

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6. Absolutely.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

52. That three sentence explanation is apparently way over the heads of

the average Trump supporter.

[get the red out]

3. No, they don't

They were upset to have an African American as President; we are scared to have a Narcissistic mad-man as President.

[Arkansas Granny]

5. They have an entirely different view of reality.

I remarked the other day that DT would be the most divisive President in my lifetime. I was told that Obama was more divisive.

[Fast Walker 52]

7. yes, I've heard that. I've tried to reason with them, and they insist that Obama was anti-cop and

and a racist, etc. Insanity.

[bdamomma]

41. ignorance

runs deep in these people, they are lashing out and are afraid.

[Cha]

57. That's what foxscrews told them and they don't think for themselves.

[uponit7771]

33. +1, ppp poll 67% or Benedict Donald's Band Of Bigots believed the UE rate increased at end of

... Obama term

[TheDebbieDee]

8. You answered your own question...

How can any SANE person compare the two?!?!?!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

9. I don't see how

Though we know how *reasonable* they acted towards President Obama and how much respect they demonstrated towards him and how much they wanted to work with him on fixing the country and how much of a chance they gave him.


President Obama was perhaps the most non-partisan President we've had in this country in modern history and most eager to work with Republicans even when he could've steamrolled right over them during the first two years like they do everytime they're in control.

[MadDAsHell]

16. Uh, there was a lot of steamrollling, and rightly so. Every Republican voted against the ACA. nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

26. But the point is

that he worked very hard to get Republicans on board with his initiatives- to the point that many progressives got frustrated with him.

[RiverStone]

10. Then we will obstruct everything like the Rethuglicans...

Did to President Obama?

Then they will know what that feels like!

[BlueMTexpat]

11. No sane person can.

It's that simple.

[niyad]

12. the operative word is "sane"--which those people clearly are not.

[HassleCat]

13. Obama is crazy and dangerous! A Kenyan-born Muslim terrorist!

This is how they regard Obama. They view the last eight years as a complete disaster. They believe -- REALLY BEEEELIEVE! -- Obama falsified citizenship for thousands of Mexicans, and enticed them to settle in the US by giving them free housing, so they would vote Democratic. That's just an example, of course. There's also secret FEMA camps, common core education to turn your kids into Europeans, the war on coal, and so on, and so on. Bottom line, they see Obama exactly the way we see Trump. We live in a nation of extremes.

[lastlib]

15. (you left out "socialist"....)

[tclambert]

24. Muslin

An old yard sign, put up by a staunch supporter of the fabric of America.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

53. They may see Obama that way, but the difference is that the things

they had against Obama were mostly entirely made up BS. Most of what we object to in Trump is real.

[forgotmylogin]

14. They love to drag people down to their level

but they never seem to want to drag people up to their level on things they excel at. Like income.

[treestar]

17. It shows how shallow they are

funny thing is the mean ones who say they love our tears deserve some sort of response like: so you've been crying like a baby the past 8 years?

The ones who claim they gave Obama a chance are a hoot. I just tell them I don't believe them, but at least Obama was qualified and fit and that's the difference.

[War Horse]

18. Bush 2 might be a bit more of an apt comparison

Trump is in a different league entirely.

[hamsterjill]

19. Any fears that they may have had about Obama were unfounded. Fears about Trump are well founded.

Whatever "fears" they may have had about Obama stemmed for THEIR own insecurities, racism, bigotry, misogyny, etc. The fears were not justified in the real world. President Obama was not an insane maniac like Trump obviously is.

The fear that Trump will go off unhinged and cost us all dearly is a very well founded fear.

[ffr]

20. The future of our great nation, stolen.

We're in complete despair about our future. Going from that state of shock to numbness. We're having our futures put in reverse and tRump is about to step on the throttle.

Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028391247

Putin deserves credit for playing so many Americans for fools.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

21. You answered your own question

They're not sane people.

[SeattleVet]

22. They live in a world of false equivalencies

where climate change denial and biblical creationism are valid alternatives to the actual science; where 'states rights' are a rallying cry, unless the state wants to do something *they* don't like (marriage equality, etc.); and where running around with a Confederte battle flag is just a declaration of 'southern pride'.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. They believe being black was WORSE.

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46. I suppose it was more of a shock to their system than having a white madman elected

[47of74]

25. I say fornicate you to these conservatives....

....in the name of Our Lourd and Saviour Jesus Christ.

[tenorly]

27. Goes to show what overgrown children they are.

Everything has to be about their petty feelings - feelings which, by and large, are rooted in hate and resentment.

[mwooldri]

28. Numbers: POTUS winners 2008: 52.9%. 2012: 51.1%. 2016: 46%.

Obama not only got the most votes out of any candidate, he got a majority of the votes.

Mr. Trump did not. So far Trump is working out to be GW Bush V2. Dumberer, Dangerouser.

[July]

42. And Trump got a lower percentage than Hillary.

IIRC, he also got fewer votes than McCain and Romney did in their losses to Obama.

[yuiyoshida]

29. IF they are watching FOX NEWS they are Brainwashed....

If they had been listening to Rush Limbaugh in their cars for years and years, they are also brainwashed. A person who is brainwashed is not in his or her right mind. They are close to be Insane... and may have at times stepped over the line.

[3catwoman3]

30. This is about soooooooooo...

...very much more than differences between Democratic and Republican philosophies.

This is about the differences between dignity, decency and decorum versus depravity.

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47. IKR? Yet very mild-mannered ladies at my work said this-- now I know what they felt like

with Obama.

WTF!?!

Just bizarre. They live in an entirely different WORLD.

[SCantiGOP]

31. Did anyone actually read the article?

Very well written, funny and actually makes a few good points. I am in favor of tighter gun controls and banning assault rifles but the guy does present his case well. If you want to understand the "other side" it is good to read this type of argument with an open mind.

[BumRushDaShow]

39. I read it and it's nothing but gun porn

written by a young man steeped in arrogant and juvenile self-righteousness... and has little to do with the concerns of those who would be impacted by the incoming administration in ways that are never articulated in whatever the author claims to be pontificating about. The proof being what we have already seen done in many GOP-controlled states over the past decade.

It's basically nothing but a poorly articulated knock-off of Malcolm X's - "The Ballot or the Bullet", by someone who apparently doesn't know history.

[SCantiGOP]

44. While I basically agree with you

and I already noted that I am strongly in favor of stronger gun control laws, I do think there is some validity to the idea that knowing that the populace is armed may limit the options our government has, or thinks they have, when they might consider infringing on civil liberties. That concept gave me some solace when the evil, twisted Nixon was desperately trying to hang onto power.

[BumRushDaShow]

45. No matter how "armed" the populace may be

the "government" will always have more. More in quantity, more in size, and most definitely more deadly.

A true (not weak test) blast from one of these -

and a "gun" will be meaningless.

The twisted interpretation of what the 2nd Amendment says does nothing but give the citizenry some sort of false hope.

[Blanks]

51. Even if some redneck militia had the firepower...

They don't have the training. The ability to effectively communicate in battle is more important than firepower. Tactics, strategy, security etc.

We saw what a 'battle' with these pinheads would look like when they took over the wildlife reserve in Oregon.

Send snacks.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. "Send snacks"

and socks!

[Spider Jerusalem]

32. Ha. No. That's just absurd.

If McCain had won in 2008, rather than Obama, I don't think I'd have felt anything close to what I felt on learning Trump had carried the Electoral College. McCain has many faults, but he's relatively decent, for a Republican, seems to have sincere principles, and I believe he's a patriot (who I happen to have some disagreements with, as the man himself said to the woman who called Obama a Muslim on the campaign trail). McCain would've been a credible president; Palin as VP would've been a disaster, but if McCain had won she'd be Dan Quayle 2.0, not the darling of the Tea Party right.

Trump, on the other hand, has no principles, and his highest loyalty is to himself. He only cares about what's good for Trump; what feeds his ego and gives him a sense of his own importance. Had McCain won, I'd have been disappointed, but McCain wasn't someone manifestly unfit for the presidency whose election heralded the incipient death of American democracy as we've known it, and McCain wouldn't have gotten us into a war with China over intemperate words on Twitter (as I half expect Trump probably will).

[Initech]

34. This wasn't comparable by any circumstances.

This was a mercy killing, and the catalyst for it was an act of treason committed by an FBI director and a Senate Majority with a superiority complex and a very partisan agenda. Not to mention it had a lot of foreign influence and a candidate who egged on said foreign influence to hack the vote repeatedly. And they did. And no one was punished. With a vacant SCOTUS seat the court could have swayed left and now it's going to take a far far right turn and could get way worse than it was before.

[Skittles]

35. NO YOU FUCKING DO NOT

YOU STUPID FUCKERS

[BigDemVoter123]

36. A bunch of horse shit as usual.

McCain & his sorry ass VP candidate, Sarah Palin? What a bunch of FUCKING bullshit! They lost the popular vote and had their asses handed to them after the electoral vote.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

37. I didn't even feel nearly this bad in 2004.

And Bush getting re-elected bummed me out.

But then I always knew there was 2008.

God knows where we'll be in 2020 but I worry it won't be pretty.

The danger we face is real and unprecedented (but sadly not "unpresidented&quot .

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48. Yep, 2004 sucked big time... but this is like 100 times worse

[LaydeeBug]

38. some right wing radio show told them to say that, so lots will repeat it.

Just ask them how much Donald OWES Russia.

[MountCleaners]

40. I have Republicans in my family, and...

NONE of them felt that way when Obama was elected. Their attitude was that Obama won fair and square. Granted, we all live in a blue state (Illinois). It's possible to be conservative and not buy into nonsense that Obama hates cops, etc.

The people who overreacted to Obama's election come from the "Patriot" faction of the right, and those people are SCARY. They may deny they are racist, but the memes they post on Facebook are often generated by the far right. We need to stop normalizing these people by referring to them as mere "conservatives". They're hysterics and racists and they are cowards who SAY NOTHING when far right racists post their racist garbage on Trump groups on Facebook. They are enablers of the far right. Traditionally, enabling the far right makes you a traitor and enemy of the government. Now the anti-government racist right has THEIR GUY in the WH.

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49. good point... though I know seemingly decent people where I live who think Trump's election

is comparable to Obama's.

[Paladin]

43. More useless Gun Nut propaganda. Don't waste your time. (nt)

[coolbreeze77]

50. 2008 was a landslide. Obama had a mandate trump doesn't.

[jimlup]

54. They are not "sane"

that's how. They are both insane and clueless. It is a dangerous combination.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. And here we are, 8 years later- the dow has tripled since 2009, unemployment is lower than ever

What are they so fucking traumatized by- the fact that gay people can get married now?

Waaaah.