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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump on US/Russia vs rest of world, 1987: Between those two nations you have THE POWER TO DOMINATE
Journalist Sarah Kendzior
https://sarahkendzior.com/about/
has been tweeting a lot about this since yesterday:
https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/812105418176659464
Oh my God. Trump has been planning to team up with Russians on nukes against others since 1987. Found old interview. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2016/03/trump_s_nuclear_experience_advice_for_reagan_in_1987.html
From that March 2016 Slate article, about a 1987 article Ron Rosenbaum did for the magazine Manhattan Inc. after interviewing Trump:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2016/03/trump_s_nuclear_experience_advice_for_reagan_in_1987.html
So what is the deal Trump thinks can be done? What is the Trump Plan?
Its a deal with the Soviets. We approach them on this basis: We both recognize the nonproliferation treatys not working, that half a dozen countries are on the brink of getting a bomb. Which can only cause trouble for the two of us. The deterrence of mutual assured destruction that prevents the United States and the USSR from nuking each other wont work on the level of an India-Pakistan nuclear exchange. Or a madman dictator with a briefcase-bomb team. The only answer is for the Big Two to make a deal now to step in and prevent the next generation of nations about to go nuclear from doing so. By whatever means necessary.
Most of those (pre-nuclear) countries are in one form or another dominated by the U.S. and the Soviet Union, Trump says. Between those two nations you have the power to dominate any of those countries. So we should use our power of economic retaliation and they use their powers of retaliation and between the two of us we will prevent the problem from happening. It would have been better having done something five years ago, he says. But I believe even a country such as Pakistan would have to do something now. Five years from now theyll laugh.
You think Pakistan would just fold? We wouldnt have to offer them anything in return?
Maybe we should offer them something. Im saying you start off as nicely as possible. You apply as much pressure as necessary until you achieve the goal. You start off telling them, Lets get rid of it. If that doesnt work you then start cutting off aid. And more aid and then more. You do whatever is necessary so these people will have riots in the street, so they cant get water. So they cant get Band-Aids, so they cant get food. Because thats the only thing thats going to do itthe people, the riots.
Its a deal with the Soviets. We approach them on this basis: We both recognize the nonproliferation treatys not working, that half a dozen countries are on the brink of getting a bomb. Which can only cause trouble for the two of us. The deterrence of mutual assured destruction that prevents the United States and the USSR from nuking each other wont work on the level of an India-Pakistan nuclear exchange. Or a madman dictator with a briefcase-bomb team. The only answer is for the Big Two to make a deal now to step in and prevent the next generation of nations about to go nuclear from doing so. By whatever means necessary.
Most of those (pre-nuclear) countries are in one form or another dominated by the U.S. and the Soviet Union, Trump says. Between those two nations you have the power to dominate any of those countries. So we should use our power of economic retaliation and they use their powers of retaliation and between the two of us we will prevent the problem from happening. It would have been better having done something five years ago, he says. But I believe even a country such as Pakistan would have to do something now. Five years from now theyll laugh.
You think Pakistan would just fold? We wouldnt have to offer them anything in return?
Maybe we should offer them something. Im saying you start off as nicely as possible. You apply as much pressure as necessary until you achieve the goal. You start off telling them, Lets get rid of it. If that doesnt work you then start cutting off aid. And more aid and then more. You do whatever is necessary so these people will have riots in the street, so they cant get water. So they cant get Band-Aids, so they cant get food. Because thats the only thing thats going to do itthe people, the riots.
Emphasis added.
As Sarah Kendzior put it:
https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/811981495183298560
US and Russia are not in a nuclear arms race against each other. Instead, under Trump, shared willingness to use nukes against a third party
Kendzior also warns agains listening to anything from Morning Joe about how Trump really does want an arms race:
https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/812287819771236352
Do not trust anything Morning Joe says on Trump nuke policy. Joe revealed Trump's nuke lust, got blackmailed, now is a Trump propagandist
Aug 3: "Morning Joe" hosts admit Trump likes nukes
Aug 22: Trump threatens them w/ blackmail
Sept 19: Meet in Trump Tower. Sycophants since
Aug 22: Trump threatens them w/ blackmail
Sept 19: Meet in Trump Tower. Sycophants since
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Trump on US/Russia vs rest of world, 1987: Between those two nations you have THE POWER TO DOMINATE (Original Post)
highplainsdem
Dec 2016
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gordianot
(15,237 posts)1. Actually two rivals merging for common economic goals makes business sense.
The United States and Russia corner the world's arms markets why not cooperate to control demand? Both stand to make a killing. There is money to be made for a little chaos when you control all of the markets and do what you want. To all of the idiots willing to be dictated by business interests finance will get you killed out of greed as quickly as any nasty self centered dictator.
doc03
(35,325 posts)2. I just hope Obama makes it out of office before that psychopath
gets us into WWIII. Well on second thought it won't matter he will get the blame if it starts 3 years from now anyway.
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)3. kick