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Trump and Putin have planned nuclear proliferation together for almost 30 years (Original Post) CousinIT Dec 2016 OP
Interesting article from one of the tweets True_Blue Dec 2016 #1
According to the 1987 article, Trump's plan was to disarm every country except... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #2
In other words Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #3
Of course! It's Trump! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #4
this guy is an evil madman-- I'm outraged that the GOP put him in power, I blame them Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #6
yes, it's SUPER creepy and just very dangerous/evil Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #5
Yep... USA and Russia against the world. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #7
what I don't understand how this huge demented deal is flying under the radar Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #8
The media kept covering whatever new insane thing Trump did. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #9
he said some bizarre/disturbing things about nukes in the campaign Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10
It shocks me too. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #11
right-- there clearly was some coverage but no traction on anything Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #12

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
1. Interesting article from one of the tweets
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:03 AM
Dec 2016

"He is the master of grand plans, now hoping to build the "greatest hotel in the world" along with the world's "tallest" building in New York City, and perhaps one day fulfil his fantasy of becoming the U.S. negotiator on nuclear arms limitation talks with the Soviets."
https://t.co/c1UJbMjDvW

Apparently it was Trump's fantasy way back in 1984 to negotiate arms with Russia. How bizarre!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
2. According to the 1987 article, Trump's plan was to disarm every country except...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:23 AM
Dec 2016

the USA and Russia. Disarming France too!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2016/03/trump_s_nuclear_experience_advice_for_reagan_in_1987.html

“Most of those [pre-nuclear] countries are in one form or another dominated by the U.S. and the Soviet Union,” Trump says. “Between those two nations you have the power to dominate any of those countries. So we should use our power of economic retaliation and they use their powers of retaliation and between the two of us we will prevent the problem from happening. It would have been better having done something five years ago,” he says. “But I believe even a country such as Pakistan would have to do something now. Five years from now they’ll laugh.”

“You think Pakistan would just fold? We wouldn’t have to offer them anything in return?”

“Maybe we should offer them something. I’m saying you start off as nicely as possible. You apply as much pressure as necessary until you achieve the goal. You start off telling them, ‘Let’s get rid of it.’ If that doesn’t work you then start cutting off aid. And more aid and then more. You do whatever is necessary so these people will have riots in the street, so they can’t get water. So they can’t get Band-Aids, so they can’t get food. Because that’s the only thing that’s going to do it—the people, the riots.”

“But what about the French?” I ask Trump. “They—”

“I’d come down on them so hard,” he says. “Because I think they’ve been the worst example of—”

“But they already have the bomb. Do you think they’ll give it up?”

“Well, I tell you if they didn’t give it up—”

“Look, they blew up the Greenpeace ship—”

“They’ve got the bomb, but they don’t have it now with the delivery capability they will have in five years. I f they didn’t give it up—and I don’t mean reduce it, and I don’t mean stop, because stopping doesn’t mean anything. I mean get it out. If they didn’t, I would bring sanctions against that country that would be so strong, so unbelievable... ”

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
4. Of course! It's Trump!
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:32 AM
Dec 2016

Could he possibly still think that "plan" would work? His reputation of belligerence when contradicted by facts (reality) makes me wonder if he still clings to it?

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
6. this guy is an evil madman-- I'm outraged that the GOP put him in power, I blame them
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:25 AM
Dec 2016

more than his stupid voters.

FUCK!!!!!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
7. Yep... USA and Russia against the world.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:37 AM
Dec 2016
Trump and Putin aren’t heading to war with each other—they’re heading to war together. Trump is a vociferous defender and admirer of Putin and is suspected by multiple intelligence experts of being assisted and even co-opted by the Kremlin. Russian interference in the US election has been affirmed by multiple US intelligence agencies and has led to calls for a congressional investigation. Rather than engaging in an arms race against each other, Trump and Putin are possibly teaming up as nuclear partners against shared targets...


In 1987, Trump made his goal of Russian collaboration on nuclear power explicit: The Soviet Union and the US should partner to form a nuclear superpower with the intention of intimidating other countries into dropping their own nuclear plans.
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
8. what I don't understand how this huge demented deal is flying under the radar
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:46 PM
Dec 2016

NO ONE talked about it during the campaign.

It's treason, it's insanity, it's fucking scary.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
9. The media kept covering whatever new insane thing Trump did.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

There were so many appalling things he said or did, I lost track of the older ones too.

About the only traction they got on anything was Hillary's freakin' e-mail!

Anything related to nuclear weapons should have never been skirted past, however!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
10. he said some bizarre/disturbing things about nukes in the campaign
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:48 PM
Dec 2016

and Hillary tried to get traction on how dangerous it would be for him to have nukes. But no luck.

I almost feel like there was a conspiracy at the highest levels to get him elected, to some evil end involving nukes.

This article is creepy as hell.

qz.com/871436/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-putin-and-trump-release-statements-that-hint-at-increased-nuclear-armament/

Then we have all his weird personality traits and that he's a eugenecist. I'm freaked out.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
11. It shocks me too.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:55 PM
Dec 2016

It wasn't totally ignored by the TV media because I saw some coverage, but it never lasted very long.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
12. right-- there clearly was some coverage but no traction on anything
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:33 PM
Dec 2016

I guess people don't fear nukes anymore... but overall, just such a weird, fucked up campaign

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