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kentuck

(111,082 posts)
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:13 AM Dec 2016

Tap-dancing around the obvious.

The guy is mentally unstable. He is dangerous.

We cannot continue to pretend otherwise.

Just because the electoral college voted for him does not make him any less dangerous.

We cannot agree with their decision and that we have no choice but to march off the cliff.

We have to resist. We cannot accept "ego" or "unconventional" as an excuse to do nothing.

President Trump must not be allowed to destroy our nation.

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Tap-dancing around the obvious. (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2016 OP
We need to talk about Donald. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #1
The majority did not vote for him. Ptah Dec 2016 #2
Fixed. kentuck Dec 2016 #5
The majority of people did NOT vote for him...where the fuck did you get that? LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #3
Very true. classykaren Dec 2016 #13
there is something in me that says Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #4
Kind of roundabout thinking, but I feel the same way. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #7
An alternate explanation... hay rick Dec 2016 #25
It's probably more like "The Firm"... Blanks Dec 2016 #31
yup. you hit it. what do they have on them? mopinko Dec 2016 #8
especially with them ALL saying that they weren't hacked Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #9
Even PBO's investigation results say no hacking found. That's ridiculous. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #48
republicans can not impeach, safeinOhio Dec 2016 #10
Trump may have a very convenient 'heart attack,' but that doesn't solve the Nay Dec 2016 #22
They will have no choice but impeachment. DK504 Dec 2016 #33
AGREE! n/t karmaqueen Dec 2016 #6
I agree classykaren Dec 2016 #11
Resistance tools are available free from UH Peace Studies prof Gene Sharp mahina Dec 2016 #12
Thanks mahina! kentuck Dec 2016 #14
More people realize this than you know I got a email from the ACLU that they are swamped with classykaren Dec 2016 #15
Word mahina Dec 2016 #50
No one ever says HOW to resist Nevernose Dec 2016 #46
Oh yes. A documentary, A Force More Powerful, mahina Dec 2016 #49
Thanks. I'm gonna check it out. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #47
Intervention? FailureToCommunicate Dec 2016 #16
Notice- these folks have been missing since the election? 33taw Dec 2016 #19
I don't care for them anymore after what they did. Send Assage to Sweden Jim Beard Dec 2016 #57
Besides his obvious life long character flaws, the man is showing signs of tblue37 Dec 2016 #17
Trump represents the widening crack .. ananda Dec 2016 #18
what would you propose we do barbtries Dec 2016 #39
How will he give the State of the Union? phylny Dec 2016 #20
Now THAT'S a great question Plucketeer Dec 2016 #23
I have a vision of the entire Democratic delegation... dhill926 Dec 2016 #24
He doesn't have to give it in person Retrograde Dec 2016 #27
Maybe a Dem can shout out "You lie!" SunSeeker Dec 2016 #28
He'll treat it like one of his rallies. He'll sell hats to all livetohike Dec 2016 #34
I've thought about that many times since 11/8. Different Drummer Dec 2016 #36
yes. barbtries Dec 2016 #21
Well and truly said! classof56 Dec 2016 #30
same to you barbtries Dec 2016 #40
I used to be completely baffled The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #26
Republicans prefer their figurehead leaders to be mentally inept and unstable so... Guilded Lilly Dec 2016 #29
twitler is stuck in the terrible twos. he is a CHILD. a SPOILED BRAT. pansypoo53219 Dec 2016 #32
We have to be smart abut this situation and play the long game. world wide wally Dec 2016 #35
i like your ideas very much. barbtries Dec 2016 #41
calif & NY have introduced bills to require tax return disclosures Liberty Belle Dec 2016 #52
The Moral Majority takes on a whole new meaning LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #37
The other obvious elephant in the room randr Dec 2016 #38
Boom. There it is. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #45
and yet... when I bring up the solution: lambchopp59 Dec 2016 #42
Don't believe it. It can be done. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #54
yeah what's the point of just giving up? treestar Dec 2016 #59
He is also beholden to a hostile foreign nation and people seem to twiddle their thumbs about it LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #43
Well, yeah. Seriously. So, what are we gonna do, then? Seriously. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #44
We are all going to have to find what works for us. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #53
That's the best possible response. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #55
LOL, me either. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #56
heeeeeee! We can update each other on our progress. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #58
+10000000000000000 jimlup Dec 2016 #51
True and only the people in power can stop him nm AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #60
 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
3. The majority of people did NOT vote for him...where the fuck did you get that?
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:16 AM
Dec 2016

Also, conspicuously absent from the OP is that he is the puppet of a hostile foreign nation. That nation committed an Act of WAR against the United States and the GOP welcomed it.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
4. there is something in me that says
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:19 AM
Dec 2016

republicans initial plan was to start impeachment on January 22 and install pence to carry out their agenda.
But then.....the hacked RNC (and God knows what they uncovered) and the veiled threats from putin to the "Democrats"....which I almost perceive as warnings which will keep the republicans from impeachment.
Nothing happens by accident.
putin is trump's firewall.
I used to think he would be impeached.
However, I have no doubt that he won't.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
7. Kind of roundabout thinking, but I feel the same way.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:43 AM
Dec 2016

Russia is threatening republicans in the United States government, and they're backing down.

hay rick

(7,607 posts)
25. An alternate explanation...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:04 PM
Dec 2016

The Republicans will do nothing because they lack character. That is the single attribute needed to be a Republican politician in the first place- the ability to sign on to a plutocratic program without regard to all evidence that those policies will harm far more people than they help. Looking the other way while Trump betrays us is easy-peasy after you've reached the bottom of that slippery slope.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
31. It's probably more like "The Firm"...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:22 PM
Dec 2016

The movie with Tom Cruise. The wealthy have something on them, and they (republicans in congress) don't have the intestinal fortitude to come forward.

Once one of them does, and the ugly is released on them, others won't be so intimidated.

That's my theory.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
9. especially with them ALL saying that they weren't hacked
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:46 AM
Dec 2016

when they most assuredly were.

That's okay.

Their secrets are safe with putin. Our country, however, is a different story.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
48. Even PBO's investigation results say no hacking found. That's ridiculous.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:36 PM
Dec 2016

I don't understand. It's obvious that it did happen and that pukes in all levels and all places conducted cheating.

safeinOhio

(32,674 posts)
10. republicans can not impeach,
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:50 AM
Dec 2016

or they would face the wrath of teabags.

Plan; CIA and FBI will charge him with treason and they will hang him.

Something along those lines.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
22. Trump may have a very convenient 'heart attack,' but that doesn't solve the
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:29 PM
Dec 2016

problem of utter crazies in the White House. I don't see a solution, frankly.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
33. They will have no choice but impeachment.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:41 PM
Dec 2016

Problem is Pence will step in and then someone like Ryan as VP. While all this is going on they will begin proceeding to dismantle all government insurance WE have paid for.

I want to throw up.😱

mahina

(17,646 posts)
12. Resistance tools are available free from UH Peace Studies prof Gene Sharp
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:57 AM
Dec 2016

Lots of resources including the 198 Methods of Nonviolent Resistance. Free on the Albert Einstein Institution page. He was a peace studies prof here at UH Manoa and wrote some very useful and practical instructions for this kind of situation.

http://www.aeinstein.org

The Albert Einstein Institution works to advance the worldwide study and strategic use of nonviolent action. Our work on this topic has been translated into dozens of languages. Visit our online library to access all currently available digital resources.

http://www.aeinstein.org/free-resources/free-publications/english/

The Anti-Coup: http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TAC-1.pdf

I can't copy the text because it's a pdf but this is a valuable resource. Good luck to all of us.

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
14. Thanks mahina!
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:14 AM
Dec 2016

Good info.

We are definitely in the midst of a coup. It's unusual the way it came about, by the democratic process, but it is a coup nonetheless.

classykaren

(769 posts)
15. More people realize this than you know I got a email from the ACLU that they are swamped with
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:32 AM
Dec 2016

request for their training classes.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
46. No one ever says HOW to resist
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:14 PM
Dec 2016

So thanks for the links!

(I have been reading up on nonviolence recently anyway, for obvious reasons)

mahina

(17,646 posts)
49. Oh yes. A documentary, A Force More Powerful,
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:39 PM
Dec 2016

Shows how nonviolence huli'd the regimes of such brutal regimes as
Pinochet in Chile
Nazis in Denmark
Ghandi's India under colonizer Britain
The Soviet Union's failure to prevail against Polish labor organizers' Solidarity
South Africa's Apartheid fell to Nelson Mandela's nonviolent resistance with world wide withdrawal of support

It is a great documentary

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
57. I don't care for them anymore after what they did. Send Assage to Sweden
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:55 AM
Dec 2016

and let him spend some time in a jail cell.

tblue37

(65,336 posts)
17. Besides his obvious life long character flaws, the man is showing signs of
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:44 AM
Dec 2016

Alzheimer's driven senile dementia, which his father was hit with at around the same age. The Republican bosses are comfortable with having a president with obvious mental limitations, because they feel certain they can control him--or remove him and replace him with the more cooperative VP. They are probably right about that.

But the willingness of one of our major parties--the one with the most power!--to put an obviously mentally unfit individual into the highest and arguably most powerful office just to grab more power for themselves says a lot about them, none of it good.

And they did so not just twice, but probably THREE times.

I think that W also suffered from cognitive damage from his decades of alcoholism (and probably drug use, as well). If you watch videos of him when he first ran for governor in Texas, you can see that his cognitive and linguistic functioning had seriously deteriorated by the time he was installed in the WH, and the video of him dancing inappropriately to the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" at a solemn memorial service, his childish behavior being calmed and catered to by an obviously concerned and sympathetic Michelle Obama, shows that his decline has continued to progress (and that he is probably still exacerbating his condition by continuing to drink).

ananda

(28,858 posts)
18. Trump represents the widening crack ..
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:01 PM
Dec 2016

.. in our collective psyche.

In a world where people are divided, this is the only
conclusion.

And believe, as long as we remain divided, Trump
will do nothing but gain strength.

This has to do with the way sociopaths gain power
and have power handed to them.

This country has mostly elected sociopaths because
they will literally do anything to get power -- lie, cheat,
steal, kill, and backstab.

This represents exactly the way that America has completely
lost its moral compass.

I think resistance and division just keep this process in play
because the non-sociopaths have been conned and played,
and at the same time playing their part in perpetuating this
trend to its only logical conclusion -- destruction and extinction.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
20. How will he give the State of the Union?
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:18 PM
Dec 2016

He can't hide from or back out of it, and he can't wing it.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
23. Now THAT'S a great question
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:29 PM
Dec 2016

Imagine this babbling baboon going on about what a grand president they have.

dhill926

(16,337 posts)
24. I have a vision of the entire Democratic delegation...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:59 PM
Dec 2016

walking out. Won't happen, but it's fun to fantasize about...

Retrograde

(10,134 posts)
27. He doesn't have to give it in person
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

The practice of addressing both houses of Congress was started, IIRC, by Wilson. Before that, a written report was customary.

So Trump can just twitter that the State of the Union is Yuuuge!!! America is great again!!!!!

livetohike

(22,140 posts)
34. He'll treat it like one of his rallies. He'll sell hats to all
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

of Congress. He'll talk about how mean so and so was to him. It will be all about him.

Different Drummer

(7,614 posts)
36. I've thought about that many times since 11/8.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:40 PM
Dec 2016

Not a pleasant thought. It will be a disaster. He can't read and when he goes off-script, he babbles like an imbecile.

barbtries

(28,788 posts)
21. yes.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:28 PM
Dec 2016

i find myself having to say this over and over in conversation. the man is seriously ill. he is sick. the implications of such a sick man being president are grave and possibly beyond anything we can imagine. anyone can see that he is sick, he is an infantile narcissist, but they do tap dance around it. people who support him actively ignore it and the media treat it as entertainment.

This is why the near constant dread. To feel normal i just must step away and force myself to think about other things. there's nothing else i can do or i might just start screaming. we need to stay well if we can to resist this sick, sick man and his sick, sick plan. which i still haven't figured out the end game. money, for sure, but is he also determined to incite a world war? annihilate the planet?

sometimes i theorize that it's just to get back at all of us sane people who have refused to join his cult.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
30. Well and truly said!
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:20 PM
Dec 2016

I too live with a sense of dread--heartsick and frightened. Plus very, very fearful. When I contemplate next year, my mind shuts down sometime around April or so. Resistance is necessary for our survival. It's that simple.

Stay strong and peace.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
26. I used to be completely baffled
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:08 PM
Dec 2016

as to why a sophisticated, educated first-world country like Germany could be taken over and persuaded by the likes of Hitler. Now I'm starting to get it.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
29. Republicans prefer their figurehead leaders to be mentally inept and unstable so...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:18 PM
Dec 2016

the second and third tier can control them and actually run the country. The Cheney Effect.
Republicans have had decades of practice doing this.
Treacherous.
Treasonous.
By serious, calculated design.

world wide wally

(21,741 posts)
35. We have to be smart abut this situation and play the long game.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:34 PM
Dec 2016

I have one statement about the OP and one suggestion about where to begin.
First of all, don't even think for a minute that Electoral College voters are any more qualified to make a decision than your local exterminator. They are just local activists (and usually of the most fervent breed) who want to seem important. So fuck them too.
One suggestion I have on how to proceed is for democratic lawmakers to introduce legislation (even if it never even makes it to the floor) aimed at Trumps most glaring vulnerabilities. Perhaps one requiring all future presidential candidates to undergo a psychological test when filing their candidacy. Requiring they make public both physical and mental health records. A full disclosure of their income tax forms. Some brave soul may even file charges of treason or collusion with a foreign power.
It is not important that any of these things succeed, just that they are discussed on a national scale. Some Americans will get the message.
Nothing will grow without planting seeds. We have a lot of seeds to plant.

Liberty Belle

(9,534 posts)
52. calif & NY have introduced bills to require tax return disclosures
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:37 AM
Dec 2016

of all presidential candidates to get on ballots in their states.

Perhaps they should also require a mental fitness test.

Whether a court would uphold this as states rights or not remains to be seen.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
37. The Moral Majority takes on a whole new meaning
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:35 PM
Dec 2016

We should steal that from them. And use it to rub their deplorable faces in it.

randr

(12,411 posts)
38. The other obvious elephant in the room
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 05:07 PM
Dec 2016

Trump voters are as unqualified to vote as he is to govern.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
42. and yet... when I bring up the solution:
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:42 PM
Dec 2016

Mentioning either elimination of electoral college nonsense or just rectifying the gerrymandering that has obviously gone so slanted that 2.8 million voices are silenced...
I get told that can't be done. Why the fluck not?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
59. yeah what's the point of just giving up?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:14 PM
Dec 2016

it has to start somewhere. The constitution has been amended before.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
44. Well, yeah. Seriously. So, what are we gonna do, then? Seriously.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:11 PM
Dec 2016

What? Cuz I'll do it. Just tell me what it is.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
53. We are all going to have to find what works for us.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:28 AM
Dec 2016

We are all at different stages of life and capabilities. Becoming aware is a start.

Read Al Giordano
https://twitter.com/AlGiordano

Might look at this:
https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/806264321646952452

I’d suggest you scroll down Al's Twitter feed all the way to Dec 6 #1 and read all the way back to the top.

Find new people:
Summer Brennan ‏@summerbrennan

Trump/Putin wanted to make sure we were afraid of nuclear war on Christmas.Trump is psychological warfare. #resist

https://twitter.com/summerbrennan/status/812889791188463617

Discover new outlets:
https://www.thefourfiftyone.com
listen to the podcast,
https://soundcloud.com/user-50760067

We were caught flat footed. We are just getting going. Don’t despair.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
55. That's the best possible response.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:33 AM
Dec 2016

It's not gonna be easy for me to get off my inert ass and join a group of IRL people!! Eeek.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
56. LOL, me either.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:47 AM
Dec 2016

But we may find ourselves going to a city council meeting and sniveling loudly. Or a school board. We will find our way.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
51. +10000000000000000
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:41 AM
Dec 2016

exactly what I am thinking. I'm worried that he is capable of destroying even more than just "our nation".

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