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brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:02 AM Dec 2016

Deconstructing "IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE"

Mr. Potter never engaged in nepotism by hiring his Uncle, and giving him the responsibility of caring for other people’s money.

The Bedford Falls Government hires incompetent public officials, like the tollkeeper who doesn’t notice someone fall over the side of the bridge he's responsible for.

Clearly, Mr. Potter doesn't evict everyone who has a mortgage with the Building & Loan; otherwise they wouldn't have the money to patronize the music halls and clubs in Pottersville.

Do you remember a bar in Bedford Falls? Didn’t they learn the lessons of Prohibition?

At the end of the movie, George Bailey’s daughter says: “Teacher says: ‘when a bell rings, an Angel gets its wings’”. A clear Church-State violation.

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Deconstructing "IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE" (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2016 OP
Too much egg nog tonite? Nt calendargirl Dec 2016 #1
Red wine; but I've always HATED that movie... brooklynite Dec 2016 #2
You are in the minority I would imagine yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #4
Now THAT is a classic... brooklynite Dec 2016 #6
You know what? You are right. I love the orig miracle on 346th street. yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #27
That was a good version shadowrider Dec 2016 #28
I don't think I watched that version but will give it a try. yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #29
The main problem I had with it is that Warpy Dec 2016 #10
Do you mean Pottersville? oberliner Dec 2016 #11
You can bet those businesses were still thriving off camera Warpy Dec 2016 #12
Seemed like people were generally rude and angry in Pottersville oberliner Dec 2016 #14
A couple of pixilated strangers with no money go into a dive bar Warpy Dec 2016 #15
OK oberliner Dec 2016 #16
Does anyone really believe madaboutharry Dec 2016 #3
Nope... calendargirl Dec 2016 #5
Naah, she has too much poetry for that. CBHagman Dec 2016 #7
Wasn't there a bar run by Sheldon Leonard...? First Speaker Dec 2016 #8
"Beaten Up" is an ugly word... brooklynite Dec 2016 #9
Not exactly. Chellee Dec 2016 #17
It's a movie jberryhill Dec 2016 #13
The timeline has always confused me. betsuni Dec 2016 #18
What the fuck is Mr. Gower even doing with all that rat poison in the first place? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #19
The movie has an angel in it and you think it's the rat poison that isn't realistic? pinboy3niner Dec 2016 #20
Why would anyone in his right mind... meaculpa2016 Dec 2016 #21
Truly; it were an Ayn Rand work, he would have delivered a 40 page monologue on the value of Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #22
I love the movie but mindfulNJ Dec 2016 #23
Are there really only 2 single men in that town? Couldn't she just find someone else? mucifer Dec 2016 #26
Adam Ruins Everything - It's a Wonderful Life sl8 Dec 2016 #24
What A Bah Humbug Thread ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #25
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. You are in the minority I would imagine
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:19 AM
Dec 2016

You are the only one who has ever said they hate that movie. Most love it. I like it but my favorite is the Christmas carol with George c Scott 1984. Always watch it Christmas Eve. Which I did tonight.

brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
6. Now THAT is a classic...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:24 AM
Dec 2016

...although, my favorite Christmas movie is the 1947 version of MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
10. The main problem I had with it is that
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:30 AM
Dec 2016

Potterstown looked like a lot more fun than boring Bedford Falls. It's a product of its time, the end of WWII and the fading of Depression traumas when people just wanted to get "normal" and have a clutch of kids and a house in the burbs. Capra's glurge fed directly into the propaganda push that got women fired from the best jobs they'd ever had and told to get married and back into the kitchen.

By the time I was ten, I realized I preferred the music and lights of Potterstown. His overpriced shacks weren't any worse than some of the dumps we'd lived in and I was sick of the stifling suburban life that seemed to suck the joy and energy out of everybody.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Do you mean Pottersville?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:40 AM
Dec 2016

Pawn brokers, strip clubs, and bars replacing the Building and Loan, movie theatre, and retail store?

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
12. You can bet those businesses were still thriving off camera
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:47 AM
Dec 2016

since old man Potter would never turn down any way to make a buck. The Bailey S&L would have been a convenient branch of his own bank. There is nothing like a few honky tonks to liven up a dull small town and break up the stultifying monotony dictated by local Puritans.

To each his own, I guess.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. Seemed like people were generally rude and angry in Pottersville
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:51 AM
Dec 2016

Doesn't seem like a friendly place at all.

Whereas in Bedford Falls, the people seem to genuinely care about one another, for the most part.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
15. A couple of pixilated strangers with no money go into a dive bar
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:59 AM
Dec 2016

and try ordering a frou frou drink and people got upset?

Don't forget that Bailey sassed his kid's teacher and got punched in the nose by her husband in Bedford Falls. Otherwise, the people there seemed like cult members, they were all so squeaky clean.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. OK
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:04 AM
Dec 2016

It just seemed like people were generally angry and hostile in the Pottersville sequence and people were generally kind and friendly in Bedford Falls. I didn't notice anyone who seemed like cult members.

madaboutharry

(40,207 posts)
3. Does anyone really believe
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:10 AM
Dec 2016

that Mary (Donna Reed) would have ended up a mousy "old maid" if George Bailey didn't marry her?

That was just ridiculous.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
7. Naah, she has too much poetry for that.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:28 AM
Dec 2016

I've heard this issue discussed before, and the general agreement is that Mary Hatch would have been just fine, but it's stretching things a bit to say she'd have gone for Sam Wainwright. She wouldn't want a show-off.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
8. Wasn't there a bar run by Sheldon Leonard...?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:00 AM
Dec 2016

...where George gets beaten up by the husband of one of his kids' teacher...?

brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
9. "Beaten Up" is an ugly word...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:02 AM
Dec 2016

George and Francis got kicked out for taking up space and not paying for drinks.

Chellee

(2,095 posts)
17. Not exactly.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:09 AM
Dec 2016

He gets punched by the teacher'e husband in Martini's, where Nick (Sheldon Leonard) works.

He gets thrown out of Nick's because they didn't need any "characters giving the joint atmosphere," where Sheldon Leonard's character owns the bar.

betsuni

(25,462 posts)
18. The timeline has always confused me.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:51 AM
Dec 2016

Harry Bailey graduates high school in 1929, then we're told George waits four years for his brother to come back and replace him at the building & loan. So that would be 1933. But it seems strange, more like the autumn of 1929, that George and Mary have a big wad of cash to go on their honeymoon, and the panic at the bank.

And no way Mary was an old maid. She would've been pushed into marrying Sam by her mother and ended up miserable with a secret drinking problem, but a hell of a jewelry and clothes collection.

My favorite line is the Bailey's maid who says she's been saving up money for a divorce if ever she got a husband. After I got married I told everyone that now I'd have to start saving money for a divorce, but nobody thought that was amusing. They looked away, disgusted.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. What the fuck is Mr. Gower even doing with all that rat poison in the first place?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 05:46 AM
Dec 2016

How many rats does he have?

Something's not right with this "Pharmacy"

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
20. The movie has an angel in it and you think it's the rat poison that isn't realistic?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 06:39 AM
Dec 2016

Sorry, couldn't resist.

meaculpa2016

(17 posts)
21. Why would anyone in his right mind...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 07:15 AM
Dec 2016

give up his dreams of adventure out of a misplaced sense of responsibility to people who were ready to throw him into prison because his aforementioned idiot uncle lost $8,000?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. Truly; it were an Ayn Rand work, he would have delivered a 40 page monologue on the value of
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 07:48 AM
Dec 2016

selfishness, then raped someone and blown some shit up.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
23. I love the movie but
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:14 AM
Dec 2016

One of the things that has always bothered me about it is the depiction of Mary in the alternate life as a sad, dried up spinster without George. She was the "prettiest girl in town" and would have married Sam Wainright. i also get a kick out the scene where Mary makes a wish and throws a rock at the old house. She wished for George to never leave Bedford Falls, effectively denying everything he'd ever wanted out of life. Mary is a selfish bitch. 😄

Merry Christmas!

sl8

(13,736 posts)
24. Adam Ruins Everything - It's a Wonderful Life
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:18 AM
Dec 2016

"Ever wonder why 'It's a Wonderful Life' plays on TV every Christmastime?"

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