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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:45 PM Dec 2016

Bernie Sanders Is On A Mission To Stop The Donald

What Bernie Sanders Said About Trump, Running For President In 2020: Vermont Senator Is On A Mission To Stop The Donald
Cristina Silva
International Business Times

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders hasn't decided whether he will run for president in 2020, but until the next presidential election, the former candidate is on a mission: Stop Donald Trump from hurting Americans.

"You know, and I am not a guy in politics who really likes to attack viciously my opponents. It’s not my style. But I felt obliged during the campaign to say something that was just patently true, and that is that Trump is a pathological liar," Sanders said during in a Democracy Now! interview in late November that was released on Monday. "And, you know, I mean, he was saying—and the danger is, it may be—you know, everybody lies. You know you’re lying. But I fear very much that he may be not even knowing that he lies."

Sanders would not say whether he planned to run in 2020, noting that his focus right now is staying in the Senate.

"Four years is a long time. I’ve got to—you know, I’m going to be running for re-election most likely in two years for Vermont to the Senate. And there’s just an enormous amount of political work that has to be done at this—at this moment," he said. "Politics is not about a person. We transform this country not by electing some guy or woman to be president; we transform this country when millions of people stand up and fight back. That will result in good leadership on top. So the goal right now is not to worry about who’s going to be running in 2020 or 2080. The goal now is to mobilize millions of people around a progressive agenda."

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Bernie Sanders Is On A Mission To Stop The Donald (Original Post) portlander23 Dec 2016 OP
If anyone at this moment has any chance at all of doing so Sherman A1 Dec 2016 #1
How about all the qualified people who won't be 79? n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #14
I am speaking of the present Sherman A1 Dec 2016 #22
They need to get off their asses. N/T virtualobserver Dec 2016 #59
You said it Sherman! Bernie is the one, maybe not the only, but certainly best positioned to make the progressive case against the Fuhrer-Elect and his Rethug co-whores, er um, cohorts... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #34
Hasn't Decided If He'll Run In 2020 Me. Dec 2016 #2
should be somebody younger but politically similar hollowdweller Dec 2016 #44
Politics is not about a person. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #4
Boohoo Hillary had an opponent that didn't throw any low blows. retrowire Dec 2016 #6
He had a right to run, but he shouldn't have spent a year criticizing Hillary. He should Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #8
Bernie didn't form that group. nt retrowire Dec 2016 #12
That group was created because Bernie ran had he not done so...we would have President Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #24
Hmmmmm Sherman A1 Dec 2016 #23
Now is not the time to reopen old wounds... it's time to UNITE! I personally believe Bernie can be The One who unites us... let's givim a chance at least! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #35
He should have hit her harder on the emails hollowdweller Dec 2016 #43
I didn't participate in the primary wars here on DU, and I'm not going to participate here. hunter Dec 2016 #11
But you just did reference the primaries. retrowire Dec 2016 #13
Bernie Sander's campaign did not make the world a better place. hunter Dec 2016 #20
Did anyone's? retrowire Dec 2016 #29
Yes, and Bill and Hillary did such a fine job of making "the world a better place" during their hostile campaign against Obama. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #38
Gee Sherman A1 Dec 2016 #57
Not true. He kept accusing her of being part of the corrupt system pnwmom Dec 2016 #15
Exactly. nt cwydro Dec 2016 #30
Thank you LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #16
... SidDithers Dec 2016 #5
Bernie is an FDR-style Democrat . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #7
Almost to a T ... Good and bad... There's 100 x more good though so we'll keep em uponit7771 Dec 2016 #17
He didn't leave the party...he never joined...and now we have Trump and will be lucky to escape Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #25
Well said... and, thankfully, Bernie's influences will be felt for many years to come. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #39
One of, if not the most, sane person madokie Dec 2016 #9
Bush Jr. thought he was called by God to invade Iraq gulliver Dec 2016 #10
So you want a rudderless grass root movement LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #19
There's fighting back... gulliver Dec 2016 #21
Bernie can be the one that unites us! Give him his due and give him a chance! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #40
One's not nearly enough. gulliver Dec 2016 #46
The more the merrier, no doubt. So far, I mainly see and hear Bernie leading the charge in callin out the Fuhrer-Elect. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #47
Bernie can lead a charge or two. gulliver Dec 2016 #51
And I fully expect Obama to do that... none of this crap bout not wanting to interfere in the governing of a fellow President! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #58
And most movements have one or more leaders LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #68
He's pretty good at energizing the grassroots Nevernose Dec 2016 #31
The goals follow the unity. gulliver Dec 2016 #33
What a shame, we have a Progressive leader going after Trump and all many here can Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #18
Exactly how has he 'gone after Trump" Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #26
You nailed it... soon, everyone will see what we see. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #41
I have my issues with Sanders but if he will help fight Trump then so be it. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #27
I am waiting Bernie katmondoo Dec 2016 #32
Go Bernie is right! This guy is not about to let us down and go away quietly while the Fuhrer-Elect wreaks havoc... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #42
The best post here! NWCorona Dec 2016 #36
The right against Trump should have started in April, the horse got out the Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #28
We need to seek better leadership Trenzalore Dec 2016 #37
Bernie is a born leader... your inability to see that is what divides us. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #45
Can we find someone Trenzalore Dec 2016 #49
Isn't that a question to DNC leadership? Because that's all that we really have NWCorona Dec 2016 #52
We have a bench Trenzalore Dec 2016 #53
That I agree with NWCorona Dec 2016 #55
I'm 38 Trenzalore Dec 2016 #65
I count the current minority leader as part of this Trenzalore Dec 2016 #54
Schumer, Reid, Boxer, Conyers.... On and on NWCorona Dec 2016 #56
What's wrong with the 60's?! We should NEVER forget the lessons of that era... maybe that's another reason Hillary lost... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #61
My parents were both Vietnam War Veterans Trenzalore Dec 2016 #63
... ohh, and BTW, Bernie is a DEMOCRATIC socialist... BIG difference! But, hey, if you support our crony capitalism government policies - look where THAT got us! - good luck with that! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #48
He lost Trenzalore Dec 2016 #50
Ohh ok, then I'm sure you said the same thing about Hillary, right?!... She couldn't even win a primary, so she shouldn't have run again... great argument. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #60
Hillary beat Bernie Sanderst nt. Trenzalore Dec 2016 #64
No, HILLARY lost in the '08 primary... to Obama, so by your logic you would argue since Hillary couldn't even win a primary against Obama, she can't win a general... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #66
"You know, and I am not a guy in politics who really likes to attack viciously my opponents. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #62
The corporate Dems on parade here . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #67

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
34. You said it Sherman! Bernie is the one, maybe not the only, but certainly best positioned to make the progressive case against the Fuhrer-Elect and his Rethug co-whores, er um, cohorts...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:26 PM
Dec 2016

This is no longer the time for vanilla-style politics... we need to go for the jugular and Bernie certainly has the intestinal fortitude for the job.

Keep your eye on Bernie... he's got your back!

Bernie might be non-committal, but I'm sure as hell not...

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

J_William_Ryan

(1,746 posts)
3. Politics is not about a person.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:58 PM
Dec 2016

“We transform this country not by electing some guy or woman to be president…”

True – and that would include Sanders.

Actual change doesn’t come from the ‘top down,’ it can only be brought about at the very local level.

Neither Trump nor Sanders are ‘agents of change.’

As for stopping Trump, that can be accomplished by communicating the truth and facts to the majority of the American people who oppose Trump and oppose the Republican agenda, where the people compel their elected representatives to indeed oppose that wrongheaded agenda.

Response to portlander23 (Original post)

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
6. Boohoo Hillary had an opponent that didn't throw any low blows.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:35 PM
Dec 2016

Refused to talk about emails and only brought up stuff that mattered.

YES, let's keep crying about how Hillary's opposition did what it was supposed to do during the primaries, and even more than that, he was the most civil opponent she could have.

FFS.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
8. He had a right to run, but he shouldn't have spent a year criticizing Hillary. He should
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:54 PM
Dec 2016

Have stuck to the issues HE was for. He didn't apply the Raygun policy of not speaking rudely of others in his own party. Burnie spoke so harshly about Hillary...they formed a NEVER CLINTON group of Bernie or Busters.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
24. That group was created because Bernie ran had he not done so...we would have President
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 04:52 PM
Dec 2016

Clinton...my take on this election is never never allow an independent to run on the Democratic ticket...the party faced harsh criticism as well as Hillary.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
23. Hmmmmm
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 04:05 PM
Dec 2016

I seem to recall a term called puma from the past and Bernie Sanders did not cause Hillary to lose the general election.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
35. Now is not the time to reopen old wounds... it's time to UNITE! I personally believe Bernie can be The One who unites us... let's givim a chance at least!
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:30 PM
Dec 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
43. He should have hit her harder on the emails
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:42 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe if he started early the public could have tired of hearing about it.

Being hands off about it allowed the GOP to keep it up till election day.

hunter

(38,299 posts)
11. I didn't participate in the primary wars here on DU, and I'm not going to participate here.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:13 PM
Dec 2016

My opinion of the Sanders campaign is not going to change.


InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
38. Yes, and Bill and Hillary did such a fine job of making "the world a better place" during their hostile campaign against Obama.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:33 PM
Dec 2016

Bernie's campaign was quite tame by comparison.

Bernie's exemplary leadership is what we need right now to unite the party and MOVE FORWARD!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
57. Gee
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:36 PM
Dec 2016

He talked about issues that were important to a lot of people and garnered a great deal of support. How is discussing the issues and running a civil campaign not helping the world a better place?

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
15. Not true. He kept accusing her of being part of the corrupt system
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:26 PM
Dec 2016

as if he wasn't in the same governmental "system" that she had been, and for 35 years.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
7. Bernie is an FDR-style Democrat . .
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:53 PM
Dec 2016

and he has every right to influence that party.

To paraphrase Reagan, "The party left him, he did
not leave the party."

The Koch-backed corporate wing of the DP has been
a disaster for progressive policy, and for the party
itself.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
25. He didn't leave the party...he never joined...and now we have Trump and will be lucky to escape
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 04:54 PM
Dec 2016

nuclear war.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
39. Well said... and, thankfully, Bernie's influences will be felt for many years to come.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:37 PM
Dec 2016

Bernie is the natural candidate to be handed the baton and to keep runnin... once the shock of the election is behind us, no doubt, cooler heads still prevail and the populace will see Bernie was right all along and follow him to the "Promised Land".

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
10. Bush Jr. thought he was called by God to invade Iraq
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:05 PM
Dec 2016

The Blues Brothers notwithstanding, I don't think much of missions. "Fighting back?" Nonsense. He's putting the cart before the horse. The mission belongs to the grass roots and it is exactly one mission: unify. Not fight. Unify.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
21. There's fighting back...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 04:00 PM
Dec 2016

...and there's thrashing around in the quicksand. I love the idea of fighting back. I just don't like to lose. That's what we'll keep doing if we don't grow up and figure out a way to unite. It's not a movement without unity. It's not a fight if it's not a movement. It's just more getting beaten up.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
40. Bernie can be the one that unites us! Give him his due and give him a chance!
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:38 PM
Dec 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
47. The more the merrier, no doubt. So far, I mainly see and hear Bernie leading the charge in callin out the Fuhrer-Elect.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:51 PM
Dec 2016

We could use the voices of as many supporting cast members who have the intestinal fortitude to speak up. So far, however, all i hear are mostly... <crickets>

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
51. Bernie can lead a charge or two.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:00 PM
Dec 2016

If he's the only one leading charges, that's no good though. I'm hoping we hear from Obama once he is back in civilian life. Trump was supposedly going to try to build up a media empire if he lost. I would like to see Obama do that.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
58. And I fully expect Obama to do that... none of this crap bout not wanting to interfere in the governing of a fellow President!
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:39 PM
Dec 2016

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
68. And most movements have one or more leaders
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 02:22 PM
Dec 2016

Figures that speak well, and help communicate the principles of that movement. It doesn't mean this leader has to be a demigod like Trump, but we need respected spokespersons to help rally people.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
31. He's pretty good at energizing the grassroots
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 05:22 PM
Dec 2016

And his staffers were damn good organizers, which is how he pulled off so many wins in caucus states.

And I honestly don't get your point about unity and fighting back. Isn't the point of unifying to fight the lunatics who will be in power in a few weeks? "Unifying" is impossible without a shared end goal, not to mention totally and completely pointless.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
33. The goals follow the unity.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:20 PM
Dec 2016

Not the other way around. The unity (commitment, loyalty, trust) forms the foundation that makes the goals real goals and not just words. Democratic Party unity needs to come first. Let's hope that Sanders (and Obama, Clinton, Warren, etc.) can help there.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
18. What a shame, we have a Progressive leader going after Trump and all many here can
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:32 PM
Dec 2016

do is attack him. Bernie did not cause Hillary to lose, ok, so deal with it. We have much to do to to fight off these Constitution hating, middle class killing, Republican shitheads!

The election is over, Donald, Mitch, Paul and John Roberts are the ones to focus our energies on!

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
27. I have my issues with Sanders but if he will help fight Trump then so be it.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 04:56 PM
Dec 2016

We need all the help we can get.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
42. Go Bernie is right! This guy is not about to let us down and go away quietly while the Fuhrer-Elect wreaks havoc...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:41 PM
Dec 2016

No fucking way!!! Bernie has our back... it's time we had his!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
28. The right against Trump should have started in April, the horse got out the
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 05:00 PM
Dec 2016

Hate and closing the gate now does not return the horse back to pasture.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
45. Bernie is a born leader... your inability to see that is what divides us.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:45 PM
Dec 2016

This is no time to relive the primaries... let's unite around a common cause... the way Bernie has shown us.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
49. Can we find someone
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:58 PM
Dec 2016

Who doesn't have memories of the 60s...like actual memories when they were of drinking age.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
53. We have a bench
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:21 PM
Dec 2016

Personally I like Bernie and I don't think he is the problem. He's old but he was never in the establishment of anything.

There is a coalition of Baby Boomers that won't acknowledge their time has past them.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
55. That I agree with
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:24 PM
Dec 2016

I'm not one to discount age and experience but there needs to an environment where the baton is passed.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
65. I'm 38
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 08:52 PM
Dec 2016

Certainly not young but certainly not old either. We need a leader in that range.

Harris from California has potential.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
54. I count the current minority leader as part of this
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:23 PM
Dec 2016

Seriously Nancy, you need to retire. You had your moment. The moment was good. You ended up losing in 2010. Time for some fresh blood.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
61. What's wrong with the 60's?! We should NEVER forget the lessons of that era... maybe that's another reason Hillary lost...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:43 PM
Dec 2016

forgetting where she came from.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
63. My parents were both Vietnam War Veterans
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 08:48 PM
Dec 2016

Good people. Taught me a lot.

That being said we need to move on to the next generational fight. I'm old. A generation Xer. I'd settle for one of those.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
48. ... ohh, and BTW, Bernie is a DEMOCRATIC socialist... BIG difference! But, hey, if you support our crony capitalism government policies - look where THAT got us! - good luck with that!
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:56 PM
Dec 2016

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
50. He lost
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:59 PM
Dec 2016

He can't win a primary let alone a national election.

Time to find our next Barack...hopefully someone who isn't in their mid 70s.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
60. Ohh ok, then I'm sure you said the same thing about Hillary, right?!... She couldn't even win a primary, so she shouldn't have run again... great argument.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:41 PM
Dec 2016

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
66. No, HILLARY lost in the '08 primary... to Obama, so by your logic you would argue since Hillary couldn't even win a primary against Obama, she can't win a general...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 10:40 PM
Dec 2016

Of course, in HER case, you would have been right! But, since Hillary, just short of 70 years old, WAS supported to run again, how bout we extend Bernie the same courtesy?

That's all I'm saying.

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
62. "You know, and I am not a guy in politics who really likes to attack viciously my opponents.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 08:48 PM
Dec 2016

That statement by Bernie scares me to death.

**Preface this by saying: Assuming that we have the right to vote at ALL (Who knows how limited voting rights will become for Dems in 2018/2020 after we've been under a tRumputin DOJ for 2 years, and making another assumption that the votes we have will count--that's if there not purged, cross-checked, erased from Dem voting rolls or any other shenanigans from ruskie cyber-hacking like there was for this past GE).**

I've heard about the "You cannot get down in the mud with people" thing all of my life. But, when you have opponents like the thuglicans who are a soul less lot, you have to be willing to get just as nasty and ornery as they are. Bernie stating categorically that tRumputin is a pathological liar was a great start, but he has to dig into that asshole and the rest of the thuglican assholes, because you best believe that the thuglicans (Nazi Bannon et al) will be using every bit of opposition research they have and make op ON Bernie, and they'll just flat out LIE on him for the rest of the nasty things they'll be alleging him of. We have 95% of the "media" that is now firmly corporate and who don't care if you know about it per CNN & CBS executives. Anchors no longer bother with fact-checking what tRumputin or what thuglicans say--most of which has been or is nothing but lies. Of course when they bothered to cover Hillary (They gave tRumputin $2 Billion in free air time--couldn't break away from HIM as he bought them ad $$$--exciting covering an orange, lying, racist monkey throwing feces all over the place), they went full bore in on emails/CGI and ignored what her plans for POTUS would be which she laid out, and they really never bothered to cover Bernie at all.

Anyway, if Bernie does ultimately end up being the Dem or stays an Indy nominee (And nothing at this point would shock me even though IMHO Bernie would be too old), he and his team/surrogates better be ready for the press to stay repeating LIES and salacious opposition research dumps on him coming from the GOP, and he better be ready to get down in the mud with them and refute every lie they throw at him, meanwhile, keep touting his progressive/populist message. He/his camp have to fight fire with fire in that WAY. tRumputin never really laid out many plans about what he'd exactly DO as POTUS. tRumputin lied as he went along and is STILL lying about what his plans for the presidency ARE, although we as liberals KNOW it's not good for the working person, the poor, children, disabled, women, POC and those in need of help or who are not 1%'ers. Bernie IS a populist and tRumputin only pretended to be one (He tricked those who thought he'd be--buyer's remorse setting in already for some, meanwhile many tRumputin voters want to "blow up" everything). The GOP, with help from the "media" will try to turn Bernie into something that he ISN'T, and stay repeating lies, weaknesses, etc. tRumputin has shown himself as being married TO Goldman Sachs people--who surround him (Nazi Bannon) and are WELL represented in his gold_plated cabinet of deplorables. He's more than guilty of what he accused Hillary Clinton of---And that's being in bed with and married TO Goldman Sachs entities like he IS.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
67. The corporate Dems on parade here . .
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 11:57 AM
Dec 2016

as can be readily ascertained by their posts . .

have utterly abandoned the party, vision and values of FDR . .

Bernie clearly moved Ms. Clinton on a number of issues, and
in a positive way including education, trade, SS, and much more.

Had it not been for Bernie she would have lost much more badly.

And the DP corporatists apparently have a problem with Mr.
Sanders' influence.

Amazing

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