Let me say it right here, if you voted for Trump-I do think you are a racist, homophobic misogynist.

[kpete]

http://russalex.tumblr.com/post/154998610481/poisonedapplepicks-truth-m-nothing-to-add

[no_hypocrisy]

1. I have an example of "none of the above".

My sister voted for Trump. Even though she and her husband are Jewish. Even though she had an abortion at age 16. She even stated she thought Trump was "scary" before the Election.

My sister voted for Trump because she was intellectually lazy and didn't know the issues. My sister voted for Trump because without the facts, she relied on others to educate her how to vote. My sister voted for Trump because she thought Hillary "was scary". (180 degree turn-around)

Our brother is a convert to Islam. She wasn't thinking of him when she voted for Trump. While not exactly supportive of his decision, our sister isn't a religious bigot.

My sister has friends of all faces and gender identifications. I wouldn't call her prejudiced.

All the same, she did damage with her vote. I find it appalling that she did vote for Trump but I am bifurcating her vote from who she is.

[boston bean]

2. Still they voted for a racist/sexist/misogynist/homophobic/xenophobe.

They surely knew that of him, but it did not matter.

What that means is anyone's guess, but the result aint pretty.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. I agree. My sister knew and made her choice anyway.

It won't get through to her until a swastika is painted on her door.

[Squinch]

9. So she had so little concern for your brother that she was willing to put his life in danger

because she is "lazy."

She has so little respect for the rights of other women to avail themselves of the medical care that was protected for her when she needed it because she is "lazy."

She has placed the lives, families and livelihoods of LGBT people in real danger because she is "lazy."

She gave the job that confers more power than any other job in the world to a man who brags about grabbing pussy, says that all immigrants are rapists and criminals, and who wants to rip families apart because he needs to do that for his latest, biggest con.

Your sister is a lot more than "lazy." Your sister has, with her vote, ruined lives. She knew enough to know Trump was "scary" but she did it anyway.

People keep coming up with examples of monsters who they don't think fit the mold of the racist, sexist, homophobic Trump voter. And then they proceed to describe how they are racist, sexist and homophobic.

Your sister is a monster. Your sister is in the service of a monster. Your sister is a soldier in the army of monsters. Just like Frau Whatever was in 1933. That is what your sister is.

[brooklynboy49]

38. I think calling his sister a monster is a bit harsh

Stupid? Ignorant? Lazy? Asshole? Yes to all, and a dozen more. But monster goes over the line.

For the record, I despise Trumpf and I find his ascendancy frightening.

[Squinch]

41. People will die because of the sister's entitled bigoted actions. I stand by my characterization.

[whathehell]

64. Do you really think she saw it that way when she voted?

[Squinch]

65. "You can't buy the rope and then say you had nothing to do with the hanging."

I'd attribute that but I don't know who here said it first.

[whathehell]

67. You can, if you thought the rope was for something else

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but continue with the hyperbole, I'm sure it will help a lot.

[Squinch]

68. LOL! You think it's hyperbole. So young, so naive!

[whathehell]

69. Lol...Yeah..I'm 67 years old...so '"young & naive"

[Squinch]

70. That part is a joke. I often laugh and apply it to my 55 year old self. But the first part, about

it being sadly funny that you think it's hyperbole? That part was dead serious.

[whathehell]

82. Yeah, well,l I'm afraid we just don't see eye to eye here..

so hopefully, we can just agree to disagree.

[Squinch]

88. For the moment. Time will tell which of us is realistic today.

[whathehell]

94. For this and any other moment, I'm afraid..

Sorry.

[7962]

72. Exactly. This stuff helps NOTHING & it certainly wont help in '18

which is where the focus should be right now

[whathehell]

79. Thank you.

[True Dough]

84. You're right!

Keep speaking up, please!

[True Dough]

86. Hyperbole rules the roost around here lately

It seems the mob mentality is taking over. Despite 8 years of obstruction and frustration, President Obama never resorted to school yard bully tactics. I wish we could follow his example.

[whathehell]

87. Yup..

It's just venting, I guess, and people are free to do it, I just don't find it very helpful.

[whathehell]

66. It is..

but calling you them "monsters" instead of the simple assholes they likely are, is just not hyperbolic enough for some here.

[Ghost OF Trotsky]

73. But it's sure to win us the next election!

I mean look at how well demonizing everyone who disagrees with us worked this year! Calling people who supported a different candidate "deplorables", racists, sexists and ignorant sure won them over to our side! Why our righteous refusal to see any point of view besides our own and concluding that anyone who didn't share it was a ignorant bigot and telling them so really won the old hearts and minds.

[whathehell]

81. Lol..

Well said.

[True Dough]

83. I try to compliment all of these sorts of posts I see

It seems we have a growing "lynch mob" among the angry Dems. I don't see how that mentality benefits us. "Getting even" is one thing, getting back into the White House is another.

[Squinch]

89. None of this has anything to do with getting even. This has to do with knowing what we

are dealing with and turning away from voters who are dead zones for Democrats in favor of turning toward people whose votes we can get. The next few years will show all who doubt it now that the Trump presidency is a disaster that needs to be fought continually and hard.

Your fundamental misunderstanding is that you see this as a lynch mob. This is not a lynch mob. This is outrage AT the lynch mob that the Trump administration represents. Do you doubt that the Trump administration and the Trump "movement" represents a lynch mob? If you do, you are simply not paying attention.

Outrage at and refusal to accept a lynch mob is always appropriate, wouldn't you agree?

[True Dough]

90. The problem is...

too few people agree on where to draw the line in responding to Trump's lynch mob. I've seen all kinds of posts over the past few weeks where DU members are advocating everything from political obstruction, to vile name calling, to civil disobedience, to public harassment, and a few have even hinted at violence.

Yeah, I believe in blocking Trump's terrible initiatives as they arise but not in resorting to the sort of underhanded tactics that propelled him to the presidency. It's a sad statement that he was able to ascend to the highest office in the land (despite garnering nearly 3 million fewer votes than Hillary), but we shouldn't lower ourselves to Trump-ish and boorish behavior while striving to regain our footing.

[Squinch]

95. You've gone from calling your fellow Democrats a lynch mob to saying, "Well, the line is

fuzzy!"

So which is your position?

There is nothing wrong with political obstruction and civil disobedience. That's how politics is done by the party that is not in power. Would you have us NOT engage in political obstruction and civil disobedience? And if that is your position, what WOULD you have us do?.

Name calling is just part of the politics game and always has been. It is a low form of protest but a universal one and no, we have never been above it nor is there any reason for us to be.

"Hinted at violence?" How does one "hint" at violence? If they are calling for violence, call them out. If not, don't claim that they are.

Spare me your calls for etiquette and high-mindedness while you irresponsibly call your fellow Democrats a lynch mob.

[True Dough]

101. The line is fuzzy because

there is a spectrum of the left represented here at the DU, just like across America. Not everyone falls into the category of a lynch mob, of course.

Personally, I'm not opposed to political obstruction or civil disobedience depending on the circumstances. But there are others here who would go well beyond that, including the cheering of public harassment of Trump's children, for example. That's crass. And tell me you haven't seen multiple posts wishing death on Trump.

Obama just said yesterday, "We must resist the urge to demonize those who are different.” That applies to Trump's idea of a Muslim registry and keeping all Muslims out of the U.S. There's a situation where we should fight like hell if and when any such legislation is proposed.

But the refraining from "demonizing" should also apply to those who voted for Trump, unless they are openly advocating for bigotry, and misogyny. Even Hillary Clinton herself only characterized half of Trump supporters of "deplorables." What about the other half? Misguided, sure, but making them all out to be the devil will not help matters.

[Squinch]

103. Oh, how magnanimous of you! Not all Democrats are a lynch mob!

And no, I have not seen multiple posts wishing death on Trump.

But here's what you seem to be missing:The vote for Trump IS open advocacy for bigotry and misogyny.

Could anyone have doubted as they pulled the lever that they were voting for a bigot and a sexist? Everyone understood exactly what he was when they voted for him.

But I see where your tolerance extends. It goes to those who have already proven by their actions that they are bigots and sexists. While you are extending your benevolent understanding to them, you save your harshest judgments for those who have voted against bigotry and sexism.

Good luck with that. While you are pondering fuzzy lines, furrowing your brow in your attempts to understand bigots and sexists and insulting your allies, I'll be fighting the REAL lynch mob as hard as I am able.

[True Dough]

107. I have made dozens of posts

here on this forum openly challenging and condemning DU members who are anti-refugee and, in my opinion, xenophobic.

In my last response to you, I said if Trump and his administration actually does attempt to move forward with a ban against Muslims or a Muslim registry that it should be fought against tooth and nail. But you overlook that in an attempt to distort my position.

So we, as Democrats, are supposed to tell Trump supporters that Muslims are not all terrorists and it would be a mistake to label them all as such and ban them or intern them, but then we can turn around and label all Trump supporters as bigots and sexists?

That, pal, is hypocrisy. I want no part of it. Trump exudes it daily. We don't need to stoop.

[Squinch]

108. One more time: The act of voting for Trump was an overt act of sexism and bigotry.

No, all Muslims are not terrorists. We know this because very few Muslims have performed terrorist acts.

ALL Trump voters are sexists and bigots. We know this because ALL Trump voters have performed a sexist and bigoted act, namely voting for Trump.

Yes ALL Trump voters are sexists and bigots.

There is nothing hypocritical about acknowledging this truth. It is simply the truth. And I am not distorting your position in any way.

Stop vilifying Democrats who are willing to face the truth.

[True Dough]

109. You're drowning in your vitriol

Trump got more votes from people of color than Romney did. That's still not a huge segment of voters, but you're going to argue that they're all bigots and sexists as well? It's not just white elites, the white middle class and poor white voters that you're leveling this accusation at (and it would still be an inaccurate accusation if it were limited to whites only).

Michael Moore is a pretty smart fellow, quite politically astute. He was judged rather harshly for predicting a Trump victory but it turns out he was right. He's also got his finger on the pulse here. Would make for good reading for you, if you could open your mind a little...

Michael Moore Slaps Down Attempts to Smear Trump Voters as 'Racist'

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10742/michael-moore-slaps-down-attempts-smear-trump-james-barrett

Here's the gist of it in case you're too jaded to click on the link:

"You have to accept that millions of people who voted for Barack Obama, some of them once, some of them twice, changed their minds this time," said Moore. "They’re not racist. They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein. That’s the America you live in."

It just doesn't jibe with your simplistic black & white narrative!

[7962]

113. Its easier to just dismiss an entire group with a wave of the hand

Than try to understand WHY many voted the way they did & change it

[True Dough]

114. Apparently he/she believes that

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To recap, we have Hillary saying half of Trump voters are deplorables (that leaves another half that have some shot at redemption), we have Barack Obama urging us not to demonize those who are different than we are (that's part of what makes us despise some Republicans), and we have Michael Moore pointing out that many Trump voters voted for Obama Hussein Obama once or twice, so you can't write them off as simple bigots or racists.

Let's add this from Bernie Sanders:

"I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist or sexist."

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/794941635931099136?lang=en

How much clearer can it get? The people considered the leaders of the Democratic party and a political pundit who has embarrassed the Republicans many times over are all consistently giving the same message: do not dismiss all Trump voters as racist and sexist. Some are, some aren't.

Again, I'm glad people like you understand, 7962.

[Squinch]

115. Yes, people of color who voted for trump are racist. And women who voted for Trump are sexist.

Because they are giving power to someone who they know is racist and to someone who they know is sexist. That is a racist and sexist act. Therefore they are, by definition, racist and sexist.

My argument has nothing to do with white and black, and nothing to do with vitriol. It has to do with calling an obviously racist and sexist act by its correct names: racism and sexism.

And the narrative that tons of people voted for Obama and then turned around and voted for Trump has been disproven regardless of what Michael Moore says.

[True Dough]

116. You can deny all you want

but it doesn't make you any less vitriolic than a Trump voter who denies being racist and sexist.

See your conundrum?

[Squinch]

117. I am not denying anything. And your comment makes no sense whatsoever. See yours?

[True Dough]

118. You denied being v-i-t-r-i-o-l-i-c

Not sure how else to spell that out for you.

And my making no sense to you is unfortunate, but I have cited Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Michael Moore in their own words in attempts to show you how wrong-headed your point of view is.

But you discard all of that because you are better than all Trump voters, and know better than the leaders of the Democratic party.

Bye Squinch. Hope you can figure it out some day.

[Squinch]

119. And you feel you are better than all those Democrats that you consider a lynch mob. I'd say

you win on the vitriol scale.

I have little hope that you will figure it out.

[7962]

105. Many here were hoping for a Trump plane crash just last week. I'd guess that counts

I think the poster is trying to say that too many democrats are now starting to act exactly the same as the anit-obama crowd has the past 8 yrs.
You want to win over voters you dont start by calling ALL of them racists

[Squinch]

106. Their vote was an act of racism. They are racists. I believe in honesty.

There will be no winning them over.

If you are under the misconception that they were Obama voters who turned and voted for Trump, that is largely incorrect. Some Obama voters stayed home, and a group who usually don't vote came out for Trump. We will never win over that group, and we should not try to appeal to them, because they are bigots and sexists.

We need the others, the ones that stayed home.

[7962]

112. Certainly the non-voters hurt. But there have been plenty of interviews with switch voters;

people who voted for Obama twice & voted for trump. Trump got more black votes than Romney & Mccain. More Hispanic votes. Its a safe bet most of them voted for Obama.
Hillary didnt excite those who stayed home. Even Obama got 5 million fewer votes in '12 than '08 because the "history making" aspect was no longer there for some.
And right now the only person i see who MAY get folks excited in '20 is Gavin Newsome

[Bettie]

17. I'm done making excuses for people's poor choices

I am distancing myself from all of the relatives (and in-laws) I have who voted for hate.

That is what Trump stands for: hate.

Whether they thought deeply about it or not, they saw what he said, heard what he said (you could not escape it) and still said "Yep, this is MY GUY!".

If you can still look your sister in the face and smile, knowing that she chose a hate-filled orange bigot, then you're a better person than I am because I do not believe that you can be a good person and have voted for that creature.

I'm more forgiving of those who chose a third party candidate. Yeah, it may have been dumb, but they didn't vote for literal Neo-Nazism.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. Had to do the same with a brother-in-law and an uncle... it's a shame, but had to be done. Refuse to have anything to do with those Nazi-tRump lovers anymore.

[Bettie]

35. Unfortunately, I've had to distance myself from a lot of people

but I now know who they really are. They have shown me what they truly believe and I see no reason not to believe them.

The thing for most of these people is that I may have to interact with some of them at gatherings, but I will never trust them again.

Cool politeness is all they'll ever get from me again.

[hamsterjill]

37. Yes, Ma'am!

I have had to distance myself from some family members and several long-time friends. I don't take relationships lightly.

I was very saddened, at first, for feeling that I had to do that. But several weeks have now passed, and I find that I'm still okay with my decision.

As you indicated, I simply realized that they were voting and supporting a man, a movement, a philosophy that is SO counter to who I am. I have found thus far into this, at least, that I am doing better without them.

[NCTraveler]

18. "My sister voted for Trump because she was intellectually lazy "

Just another way to say entitled which does fall under the image in the op.

Your example is not "none of the above". Your example actually cements her into the graphic.

[no_hypocrisy]

22. To be racist or prejudiced, is it inherent and not necessarily affirmative?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. What did your sister think of Hillary? I'm curious to know what reasons she gave for not voting for her.

[lark]

31. No intellectual curiousity is part of the drumpf votere pattern.

I get it, she's your sister and you love her and excuse her for things you'd condemn someone else. I have a not dissilimiar circumstance in that my best friend, we always call each other sister/friends, for the past 26 years probably voted for Drumpf. She's a wonderful person is every day, giving and kind to everyone, except she's a Repug. Her daddy was the Repug Mayor of a small town in GA, where she grew up and she was a Repug City Council member there years later. She's not racist, very pro women's lib and pro-choice, and she's one of the smartest people I've ever met. However, again, she's died in the wool Repug and hated Hillary, she's also 75, so not going to change. I have avoided asking her about the election, afraid of the answer and not wanting to fight with her because true friends are rare. So, a few weeks ago we were having lunch and she said something about Drumpf (of course she said Trump) being a smart businessman. I couldn't take it and decided to address (gently) the elephant in the room. I said I didn't think he was a good businessman. I said his dad listed giving him loans and gifts totaling $76 million dollars, she agreed. I said I read that if that was invested in a conservative stock fund, he'd now be worth 17 billion and he's only worth 4 billion, so that seems like he's made tons of bad deals, filed BK6 times, so not so smart after all. She agreed about the $$ and seemed surprised by these facts. Then I started talking to her about Medicare and SS and does she really think she's going to be exempt from it once they get their hands on all our $$? She agreed that within a few years everyone will be on voucherized Medicare and it will buy basically nothing and that SS changes being discussed also are nothing more than a way for Wall St. and bankers to take all our $$ for themselves. Having gotten agreement on all these, I rested on my laurels and changed the topic. I could tell that she was thinking about what I'd said for the rest of our visit and wasn't happy at all with what her party is doing. Small steps.

[7962]

74. And THIS is called "being an adult"! Good for you!

You still made your point and didnt sacrifice what obviously to you is a good friendship.
To all these others posting here, did your friends/family who voted for trump write YOU off when you voted for Obama twice? Obviously they didnt, because you've still been interacting with them.
My neighbor voted for trump. We generally dont discuss politics but our yard signs made it obvious we were canceling each other out. But anytime I've needed a hand with anything, he's helped. Any time he grills out, he saves a large plate for me and my mom. When he needed help with a downed tree, I cut it for him. He's not a racist, sexist etc. Thats the way people should treat each other. If he was an asshole, I'd think differently. He's renting the house & if they move I'll hate to see them go
The one time we got into any depth about the election, before Nov, he said "I'm voting for him because I want to see what someone who isnt a politician will do when he gets in there".

[USALiberal]

48. I agree, uninformed voters are the issue in many cases. They don't put much thought into it.

[baldguy]

59. Your Jewish sister voted for a fucking Nazi.

[TommyCelt]

63. The issue with Trump voters...

...isn't whether they consider themselves racist, sexist, xenophobes, or even if we consider them as such.

The issue is that Trump was crystal clear about his racism, sexism, xenophobism throughout the entire campaign - and none of it was a deal-breaker for any who voted for him.

[redstateblues]

85. Very similar story with my sister. The "deplorables" comment pushed her over the edge

[PDittie]

4. All racists are Republican, but not all Republicans are racist.

That's what used to be said, isn't it?

Let's keep calling the people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who voted for Obama in '08 and '12 -- and Trump in '16 -- racists, though, see if that wins the next election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Lots of racists will vote for a black guy if they say see something in it for them.

Drumpf lost the pop vote by 3,000,000 and won the E C by a mere 80,000.


We don't have to be like him to win.


BTW, Obama would have handed Drumpf his ass.

[Hoyt]

8. Exactly. There was a great thread earlier about the people who voted for Obama in 2008, but Trump

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in 2016.

The thread -- shortly after DU came back up -- had a link to a pretty good article, but I can't find it right now.

Anyway, one of the parts was a story from a pollster who went to a white couple's house in Ohio just before 2008 election. The wife answered the door and responded to the pollster's question of "who they were voting for" by yelling to her husband who was watching football in the other room. "They want to know who we are voting for?" The husband yelled back, 'We are voting for the N______." The wife turned to the pollster and said, "We are voting for the N____."

My guess is they (at least he) believed Obama could revive the economy, and protect their jobs, in a looming recession/depression. I think there were lots of voters like the Ohio couple.

[samir.g]

51. Obama is so good that he even convinced knuckle-dragging racists to vote for him.

It's that they were enlightened, it was that he's just that amazing.

[mountain grammy]

57. People were scared in 2008

and they had a right to be. My husband lost his job.. boom!

Now, people can afford to vote their hate, and make no mistake, it was hate.

[Squinch]

10. There are precious few people in Michigan Wisconsin and PA who did that. That is the false

narrative that everyone is falling for, and you among others are promoting.

The data shows that the racists came out and the unenthusiastic previously-Obama-supporting voters stayed home.

Those who voted for Trump ARE racist and sexist and homophobic. To change our message to appeal to them would be our death. Literally and figuratively.

Here's a link for Wisconsin. Study it. Learn what it says. Because what you are saying is false.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/26/1614565/-Wisconsin-Exit-Polls-Beware-the-False-Narrative

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Hill got 93% of the O voters.

[Squinch]

15. Yep. BUt in the swing states, people did stay home. THAT is who we need. And we need to

visibly and publicly shun the racist, sexist, homophobic Twitler voter.

[HelenWheels]

20. Hillary never campaigned in WI

And that was a huge mistake. She only lost to Trump by 22,000 votes. Jill Stein got 30,000 plus votes that might have gone to Hillary if she had been a presence in the state.

[Squinch]

25. This has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

[VOX]

42. Just to clarify, you're referring to Jill Stein, not Hillary.

There was an alert on the post, but I believe there was some honest confusion as to the identity of "she" in this case.

[Squinch]

40. LOL! Wow. That's moronic. The tax code changes the Republicans have in the pipeline

have no prayer of bringing money back from overseas.

Do you not understand that your Republican party thinks you are an idiot and are only interested in how much money they can take from YOUR pocket? You really think your Republican party has any intention of penalizing their dinner party buddies for having money overseas? How dumb do you have to be to have believed that one?

And nice dig about identity politics, which around here we refer to by their correct name: civil rights.

You need to go back to wherever it was you came from.

[Squinch]

45. Good God! You think they intend to PAY for infrastructure upgrades? Republican don't pay

for things. They never have. They trash the economy and leave it to the Democrats to clean up the mess.

And if the corporate tax rate goes to 15 percent, nothing of the sort is going to happen.

[Squinch]

47. Gosh! I care so deeply about your opinion that this really....well, actually it doesn't do anything

at all.

If you don't like people posting truthful things to you, don't write moronic and ridiculous things about how great the Republicans are.

And please, don't stir yourself trying to be nice to me. It seems very difficult for you and you aren't very good at it.

[aggiesal]

50. If corporate taxes drop to 15% ...

2 things will happen
1) Corporations will bring back their money, but they won't trickle it down to us.
They will keep it and give the execs big fat bonuses.
2) We will go into an instance recession.
There are plenty of statistics that shows when taxes are lowered, recession soon follows.
That is why Reagan raised taxes 11 times, and Bush I lost his re-election because he said
"Read my lips, no new taxes." Then he raised taxes because he couldn't get out of the
recession without doing so.
Also when GWMcIdiot lower taxes the same happened, that by the time 9/11 hit, his
approval ratings was in the 30's.

[Jim Lane]

53. Some of the plans floated by the right wing WOULD bring money back.

The government might offer a special one-time cut rate on overseas funds that are repatriated. Many companies will repatriate, thus benefiting from the discount, and immediately resume their practice of offshoring profits. They'll continue to avoid paying taxes at the regular rate while patiently awaiting the next "one-time" package.

It's as if the new manager of your local supermarket offered a one-day special on soup at a penny a can. The store would sell a LOT of soup that day. The total sales for the year would be largely unaffected, but the new manager could point to his first week's sales total as showing what a genius marketer he was.

The difference is that people who run businesses are generally more hard-headed. The manager's bosses wouldn't think he was a genius. By contrast, a lot of Trump's voters might happily swallow his self-promotion. In addition, the whole charade would divert attention from the more serious issue of changing the tax code so as to make the offshoring unprofitable in the first place.

[Squinch]

61. That's not bringing money back. That's just another boondoggle for the wealthy with no

net result after that first year. They've tried it before. It doesn't work.

[Still In Wisconsin]

23. I live in Wisconsin and that line of thinking is a huge problem- PLEASE READ.

This is also a microcosm of how Scott Walker keeps getting elected. Our state party has basically taken the attitude of "let's work turnout in Milwaukee and Madison, and screw the rednecks in the rest of the state." Well, I grew up in Milwaukee, went to college and grad school in Madison, and now live in one of those other parts of the state. There are racists where I live, and there are anti-Semites here too (I am a Jew). They are sometimes but not always the same people. But there are also a lot of low-information people who have opinions that are largely shaped by what they hear on the teevee and radio. Are they all racist assholes? Some are, not all. But many of these people either voted for Trump, believing him to be the lesser of two evils, or didn't vote at all.

Obama and Biden both made stops in my county in '08 and '12. Kerry was here the day before the election in '04. Gore was here twice in '00.

Obama won this county twice. Kerry won this county. Gore won this county. Then Hillary, who never campaigned here or anywhere else in the state after the primary LOST!

You can lose on principle, or maybe, just maybe, peel off a few votes from Cheeto Jesus and beat his ass in four years.

[brush]

36. Keep pandering to people who fell back on their racism and voted for trump . . .

and you risk losing your base.

Concentrate on fixing and/or ditching the EC, stopping repug vote suppression and dirty tricks, and of course Comey and Putin, and we will win, just as we actually did by 3M votes.

Screw trying to get racists to vote for their own econonmic interests as they will resort to repug dog whistles every time.

Just know we outnumber them and concentrate on stopping the cheating.

[7962]

75. +1

[CousinIT]

6. True in my family at least

Racists and misogynists voted for him. That's it.

[SidDithers]

7. Yes...

Sid

[hack89]

11. I would disagree

RI republicans have always been more socially liberal then southerners. I know a bunch of people that voted for Trump who support marriage equality and have no problem with women in power (most have wives that are successful professionals).

[AlexSFCA]

12. not all

Lots of people were conned by Don. Remember, more blacks and latinos voted for trump than for romney. Some Bernie supporters voted tor trump too (they are definately not racists, just stupid).

Van Jones also initially thought that trump voters were all racists until he met some families who he described as very decent people. These types of generalisations are the surest thing for us to lose the next election.

[libtodeath]

13. K & R

Yes they are.

[hfojvt]

16. 28.5 million

that's how many "misogynist" women voted for Trump

also 1.3 million black people

also 4.7 million latinX

and 2.6 million of other races. All of those 8.6 million racists I guess.

Yeah, almost 29 million white males too.

Against a mere 14.4 million white males who voted for Clinton (and 3.26 million who voted 3rd party).

What is it called when somebody makes sweeping negative assessments about large groups of people?

[JHan]

21. Why the delicateness?

I know of black people who voted Trump because they believed Mexicans were taking their jobs.

One of Trump's surrogates - a hispanic man - said he supported Trump because hispanic culture is "taking over".

And closer to home, a relative of mine thinks BLM are all terrorists.

and I can go down the list of people who attach themselves to harmful ideologies for their own peculiar reasons. It doesn't change the fact that they voted for a man who was dogwhistling all year round, whether they did it through laziness, enthusiastic support, self loathing (Insert reasons here).

Trump played divide and rule and voters fell for it, showing that yes - racism and bigotry is very much alive.

[hfojvt]

39. "divide and rule"

The article in the OP is sure playing the "divide" card, and it is going to help them rule.

You have one or two anecdotes (which don't even sound racist) and that proves something about millions of people?

Might as well point at two armed robbers to prove something about all black people.

Heck, they may have voted for Trump because of loathing for the people who look down on them and call them names.

[Bradical79]

56. If you don't think those anecdotes sound racist

then you've probably got a problem. They're pretty overtly racist.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. Are you sure?

"...I know of black people who voted Trump because they believed Mexicans were taking their jobs.

One of Trump's surrogates - a hispanic man - said he supported Trump because hispanic culture is "taking over".

And closer to home, a relative of mine thinks BLM are all terrorists..."


-JHan

"...You have one or two anecdotes (which don't even sound racist) ..."

-hfojvt

Are you sure?

[7962]

76. Sadly your view is in the minority here.

We're fast sinking to "their" level. That we all used to criticize daily. I fear for the future elections if this attitude prevails and becomes the public voice of the party

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. Are you sure?

"...I know of black people who voted Trump because they believed Mexicans were taking their jobs.

One of Trump's surrogates - a hispanic man - said he supported Trump because hispanic culture is "taking over".

And closer to home, a relative of mine thinks BLM are all terrorists..."


-JHan

"...You have one or two anecdotes (which don't even sound racist) ..."

-hfojvt

Are you sure these sentiments aren't racist?

[7962]

97. I'm talking about lumping them ALL in the same description. Its ridiculous

and something the RW loves to do all the time.
And no, a black man worrying about Mexicans are taking his work isnt racist any more than IT people complaining about people in India taking THEIR work. You think thats racist too?
Certainly some ARE racists, more in number than Dems, but some in the Democratic party are racists as well. Or do you think the party is as clean as the driven snow?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. Yeah, I think it's racist to say Mexicans and Indians are taking our jobs.

[7962]

104. And you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

110. Thank you

Thank you for letting me know I am entitled to believe that someone who is saying Mexicans and Indians are stealing his or her job is a racist.

[7962]

111. Of course you're entitled to that opinion. But thats all it is; an opinion.

If thats who is taking your job its merely an accurate statement.
"My job was taken by a damn company in India" isnt racist. They're going to bitch if the job goes to England; either way their job is taken. Thats what they are pissed about. So everyone here who posts about jobs going to China, India, Taiwan, etc is now a racist? Because we've sure had a myriad of comments about that here over the years. I doubt any of them are racists.
But these days some folks see a racist everywhere they look. Its become the go-to fallback. Which weakens the fight against real racists out there

[jack_krass]

98. I dont think it is...

[lambchopp59]

19. Yes, I don't have to "think" this. I know it. Many of them admit it openly.

We had a contractor at my employment, when shown a video of some insane preacher promoting putting all the "queers and the lesbians into" basically, starvation death camps, his response, given to me second hand was:
"I'd be alright with that."
He said that to my supervisor, whose sister is now legally married to another female. His contract was terminated at the end of the potential renewal date.
Two other Trump supporters I know have been disciplined recently for blatantly racist and homophobic comments.
None of the above are what any of us would call emotionally stable individuals.
DU'ers, I'm openly gay. I'm living in what-the-fuckland ever since this farce of an election.
The spectre of the nightmare scenarios I lived in homophobic hell all coming to bear again are enough to make my personal physician prescribe me more medications for my blood pressure.
By the way, I'm not new here, I'm nightscanner repackaged since the post election hacking.

[Scurrilous]

24. K & R

[nini]

27. At the very least they looked the other way

And that is just as bad in my opinion. If you look the other way over those hates you are enabling them whether you want to admit them or not.

[Gothmog]

30. Great Meme

[Lint Head]

33. Those who thought they weren't just prove to themselves that they are. They are in denial.

[niyad]

52. agreed. and I continue to point out that he is a sexual predator and pervert, and they

obviously have no problem with that, so I have a problem with them.

no quarter, no excuses. if they voted for that perverted piece of filth, they are forevermore dead to me.

[J_William_Ryan]

54. Polls prior to the election

indicated that a majority of Trump voters weren’t voting for Trump, but against Clinton.

Those who voted for Trump will defend their vote by arguing that they were forced to decide between the lesser of two evils, Trump being the ‘lesser evil.’

Many Trump voters will acknowledge that Trump is in fact a bigot, misogynist, and xenophobe; but believed that Clinton had violated the law as Secretary of State, and would do so again as president.

Presidential politics is about perception, not facts or the truth – 2016 was further confirmation of that.

[eppur_se_muova]

55. Vote for a criminal, and you are complicit in the crime.

[paulkienitz]

58. here's a similar statement from an acquaintence of mine...

"Until about 2 weeks ago I believed in civility. But I no longer do. Y'see, I've met too many Trumpturds in the days since the election. They're EVIL. I sing karaoke at a tourist bar and I meet them all the time. They're gloating. They're racists. They hate San Francisco (and yet they come to visit) because it's so liberal. They are blind to all the stuff that Trump is going to do. As far as I'm concerned it's now an all-out war, and I don't care to speak civilly to anybody who supported Trump. I don't support bullies.... I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."

[C Moon]

60. The I-voted-for-Trump admission is slowly going to the closet again.

They came out strong after he won (I'm guessing because they didn't see themselves in any kind of majority—which they weren't), but many are slowly slinking down in their chairs.
That's what I'm finding, anyhow.
I know the hardcore racists and haters are still gloating, though.
At what point will the GOP realize they'd better lay off the neo-nazi gas pedal. Right now they think the country is theirs forever. But it isn't.

[bucolic_frolic]

62. I'm waiting for them to sell us

tolerant discrimination

oxymorons not without precedent in corporate PR

[7962]

71. Horseshit. Reply #1 explains why. I know people the same way

Dismissing EVERY trump voter will serve NO purpose and will do NOTHING to get them back. Dont you realize a lot of people who voted for trump also voted for Obama twice?
This BS is simplistic childish nonsense

[still_one]

77. Everyone who voted for trump knew he was a racist, sexist, and xenophobic, and that did not deter

them from voting for him

[rainlillie]

78. ITA! Awesome!

[unblock]

80. "sell them the rope and look the other way"

i know a lot of people who fit that bill. they'll swear they aren't bigots, sexists, or xenophobe, but it's all about the tax cut for them.

but they sure as sh*t know they were voting for a racist, sexist, xenophobe. so what does it say if you're willing to look the other way for a few hundred bucks?

isn't that pretty much the same as selling the rope and looking the other way?

[MineralMan]

92. Well, if anyone I know voted for Trump, and I know that they did,

They are completely off my list of people I want any association with. I won't tell them so, unless they ask, but they will not longer receive any communication from me. I will not recognize them as friends. I will hide or unfriend them on social media. They will simply cease to exist as far as I am concerned.

Who Donald Trump is and what he stands for was clearly known before the election. If a person voted for him despite that, then I wan't nothing to do with such a person. It's pretty simple, really. Voted for Trump. Farewell to you. I'm out.

[jack_krass]

96. Ridiculous. 30% of hispanics are racist?

10% of african americans are racist?

All the people who voted for Obama in 08 and 12 and switched are racist?

Applying this term casually to millions and millions of American POC is just so so wrong, its hard to evem put into words. In fact calling tens of millions of minorities racist over how they voted is itself racist IMO.

Racism is a great evil, and accusation of racism is a deadly serious charge. Its sickening how easily and lightly that term is tossed around in here. Its beyond offensive and even dangerous because it dillutes the word "racism" to have a less serious meaning.

[bigtree]

100. K and fucking R

[revmclaren]

102. K & R. I have booted all Trump voters out of my life

both in the real world and on social media.

No one forced them to vote for a bigot, a misogynist, a homophobe and a xenophobe. They made that choice themselves and they WILL do it again if they have something to gain from it. They can say " I was misenformed" or "I voted for Trump because I was angry at what was said about me" but they DID vote for him knowing exactly what he was. That is fact.

If they did it once, they will do it again if they think it will benefit them. And codlling them and giving them support after the terrible act they KNOWINGLY perpetrated on this country is not going to happen with me or any of the other Democrats who won't let the wolves into the fold ever again.

One of my cousins voted for Trump because Sanders didn't win the primary. Did she do it because he was the best candidate or even out of spite? No, she did it because she truly believed that Sanders was the only hope for the world and if he wasn't our candidate,then God wanted her and her daughter to vote for Trump so he could bring about Armageddon and fulfil revelations.

What the holy f#$k!!!!????

Even my sister who had been as close as sisters with this cousin unfriended her on social media, called her crazy and blocked her number.

How can we embrace or even understand millions of voters like her ...Some less extreme some more so.

Sorry, i'm not going to be the one to understand their level of crazy or ignorance and I WILL NOT embrace any of them or try believe that they will vote rationally or for our candidates in the future.

Trump sympathisers and Trump voter sympathisers can _______________ (insert anything you want here).

[Jamaal510]

120. Not all of them are, but

one thing is certain: by voting for him, they showed that they at least are willing to look past that type of behavior from someone who they want representing the whole country.