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WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:01 PM Dec 2016

Experts: Ryans livestream crackdown may be unconstitutional

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/paul-ryan-livestream-constitution-232994

Paul Ryan’s new crackdown against protests on the House floor — a direct response to the Democrats’ gun-control “sit-in” last summer — is prompting questions from experts in both parties about its constitutionality.

As part of a House rules package members will vote to approve in early January, House GOP leaders want to empower the sergeant-at-arms to fine lawmakers up to $2,500 for shooting video or taking photos on the chamber floor.

But experts say Ryan’s proposal may run afoul of Article 1 of the Constitution, which says “each House may … punish its Members for disorderly behavior.” For more than 200 years that has been interpreted to mean any contested sanctions against lawmakers must be approved by the full House with a floor vote, attorneys steeped in congressional legal matters say.

“The Constitution gives the House the authority to discipline members; I have never heard of anything where an officer of the House was given that authority,” said Mike Stern, a former lawyer for the nonpartisan House counsel’s office and the Senate Homeland Security Committee’s GOP staff.

Stern, who called the proposed rule a “plausible Constitutional issue to raise,” said Democrats could take the matter to court. “Their strongest argument would be: The House doesn’t have the authority to give these officers the power to punish us; only the power of the House can do that, and [Republicans] have short-circuited our rights by the way they’ve done it.’”
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Experts: Ryans livestream crackdown may be unconstitutional (Original Post) WhiteTara Dec 2016 OP
it should be fought, of course, but even if we lose,... $2,500? that's it? unblock Dec 2016 #1
I think the GoFundMe account WhiteTara Dec 2016 #2
It also goes against the 1st amendment. shraby Dec 2016 #3
Not sure if that holds up NobodyHere Dec 2016 #7
Just more of the bully-oppressor-republican tactics they keep doing. Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #4
"No one else was in The Room Where It Happens" SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #5
How long before the ruling thugs (GOP)decide to usaf-vet Dec 2016 #6

unblock

(52,116 posts)
1. it should be fought, of course, but even if we lose,... $2,500? that's it?
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:21 PM
Dec 2016

i mean, if a cause is worth a sit-in like that, $2,500 seems a small price to pay. they could raise it online in minutes.

of course, if that happens, they'll just keep upping the price....

shraby

(21,946 posts)
3. It also goes against the 1st amendment.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

Free speech. Shouldn't be any different for members of congress.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
7. Not sure if that holds up
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:59 PM
Dec 2016

After all cameras are banned while the Supreme Court is in session.

Not that I agree with it.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
4. Just more of the bully-oppressor-republican tactics they keep doing.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:19 PM
Dec 2016

To include shredding the Constitution. Hey! Freedom of Speech and the public must know what is going on inside those chambers.

Can you feel it? We truly are at war, civil war.

usaf-vet

(6,161 posts)
6. How long before the ruling thugs (GOP)decide to
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:55 PM
Dec 2016

hang or shoot opponents for speaking out. German walls have lots of bullet holes in them from firing squads.

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