Why we keep losing the white vote...

[rumdude]

Sure, some white voters are gutter racists and we will never get their votes, nor should we try. But most white voters are not racists. By what margin I don't know, but I know it's true.

Yet, how many times have I heard liberal commentators, comics, etc., say something like - "Hey, soon white people will be a minority in this country, and how great will that be!" I've heard reiterations of that line said over and over again. You couldn't say that about any other group and get away with it. It started to get kind of annoying about six years ago.

And it brought us the shit-Gibbon.

[safeinOhio]

1. Will not be a minority,

just won't be the majority.

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8. Ahhh . . . FYI, that's the same thing.

[safeinOhio]

14. Not really

No one group will will out number all the other groups combined. Whites will still out number each individual other groups by a large number.

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17. Whites will constitute less 50% of the population. That means minority. Not rocket science.

[safeinOhio]

20. OK, if Whites have 49% of the population

and the next largest group has 24%, what group is the majority? It is only when you add up all of the other minorities do you get the 51% majority.

[JI7]

22. like california

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31. What's so important it? And not being over 50% of the population just means the largest MINORITY

Again, not rocket science as that percentage will continue to decrease as white birthrate is lower than some of the other minorities.

Already in some states minority school children outnumber whites.

It's a demographic reality that's not likely to be reversed.

But again, what's the big deal if everyone gets the same treatment?

[guillaumeb]

23. That also means a plurality. eom

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

2. Huh? I like to think Im well read - your post is the first time Ive ever heard the "how great will

that be" tacked on to it. Its just a fact that white people will eventually not be a majority. Neither great, nor not great. It just is.

Along with that fact, I would guess eventually, as interracial marriage continues, racial distinctions as we know them may become less signficant as well.

[rumdude]

3. I've heard people say it with relish - nt

[bravenak]

24. I certainly do

[rumdude]

27. Go ahead, then

I'm just trying to explain why we've been losing the white vote for the past god knows how many years.

[unblock]

29. Have you heard of this sickness called the republic party?

They've gone all-in on that one demographic at the expense of alienating all others. No shocker that they're going to win that one demographic.

[rumdude]

32. Yes, I have

And we have been playing right into the hands of their rhetoric.

Might as well not even try for "those" people. We should just let them "die off," good riddance to them.

We should have been aggressively seeking those peoples' votes in the same manner we court other groups' votes.

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33. If they chose to vote for "the white peoples' party", what are you gonna do about it? And what . . .

does that say about them?

[unblock]

52. the odious rhetoric is coming from you, not the democratic party.

i have *never* heard any democratic candidate or party official refer to white people as "those", nor remotely suggest they should "die off" or "good riddance" to them.

those are your words, they sure as hell ain't mine.

[bravenak]

41. We lost it the day we gave ourselves (black people) civil rights

[rumdude]

42. Too simplistic

Most white voters are not motivated by 1970s-era racial dynamics.

This is 2016.

[bravenak]

43. Bullshit. Trump's campaign was all about white identity. Muslim registry?

Constant talk about blacks and how terrible shit is with us? Calling on his fans to beat up black protesters? Calling for building a wall between us and mexico because they are sending us rapists and murderers? None of that was racist? It certainly was very noticible since that is exactly what he campaigned on. Here is a clue- when the KKK celebrates the victiry of a president, it is because he has the same values as the KKK. To not notice all that fucking racism says alot aboyt his voters. Dont try to play me.

[rumdude]

44. I certainly think his rhetoric appealed to racists

I also think his rhetoric appealed to a lot of people who are not, by any standard definition, racist. Why, I ask. If we could figure that out, we would never lose an election again. I firmly believe that.

The Dems wrote off a lot of these people, and the shit Gibbon moved in on them.

[bravenak]

45. They were though. That is what you fail to see.

I see it because it is directed at ME. You can ignore it ir say it aint so bad because it is not you that they harass and attack or harm with their VALUES.

[rumdude]

48. Maybe so, I see your point

Time for me to get some sleep now. I will wake at 5 AM. Have a good night, my friend.

[bravenak]

50. Goodnight!!!

[lunasun]

55. Say it!

[lunasun]

54. What's wrong with a rainbow ? Why not express equality? Many Whites do seem to be losing it about

not being a super majority and yes that is probably why they are going for trump and his ideas.
I expect more anger at having to share power and place with others as we move more toward the rainbow . I wish it wasn't the case but most don't seem to like it

[Egnever]

61. I finally agree

I do as well.

[hunter]

49. I do, and I'm already a minority white guy in my community.

All those white guys who are nervous around women and minorities just need to get over it, especially affluent white guys, the kind who voted for Trump.

If our party bends over backwards to pander to them, real progress is impossible.

I can imagine a Democratic woman appealing to Republican women voters by directly addressing problems that concern ALL woman. It would probably have to be a woman who could ride a horse, drive a truck, and shoot a rifle, this being the U.S.A.. The kind of woman who would break Trump's tiny little fingers if he touched her inappropriately.

[uppityperson]

4. Non-racist white voters vote for racists because comedians and librul commentators note that white

people will not be the majority?

Is this what you're saying?

[gollygee]

5. A desperate desire to hold onto majority status and associated power at the expense of others

Is indeed racist.

[rumdude]

10. You got it backwards

Most white voters don't spend their days thinking about their majority status. But when you hear people in the media openly pining for the day when white people eventually "die off from old age" because their "birth rates are down" and the "country is changing." Well: It does come to grate on the ears at some point.

And you could never say such a thing about any other group.

If Hillary Clinton had had at least one line in her speeches addressed directly to the white working class, she would have won. Just one line like.."And to the white working class...etc etc" Lord knows she directly referenced every other group in her speeches.

[JI7]

13. they certainly do think of race And are racist if that is what concerns them

[atreides1]

30. The white voters may not be paying attention

But the closet KKK members they vote for, do! People like Kris Kobach and the Republican controlled legislatures across the country that enacted voter ID laws, which were only enacted to suppress the rights of certain people to vote!

The regular voter isn't going to worry too much about it, because they know that their representatives will insure that even if whites become a minority, they will still wield power and maintain control for at least the next century and a half!!!

[True_Blue]

34. Yes they do worry about their status

A Trump voter I work with is always whining about how white men face more discrimination than anyone else.

[rumdude]

36. True, some of them are like that

just like some them are part of that loathsome MRA nonsense.

[elehhhhna]

56. Wtf are you talking about? You watch too much Fox news.

[safeinOhio]

15. Those White folks that are worried

about it, worry about not being able to impose their majority will over other groups. Basically they lack critical thinking.

[RedWedge]

6. Talking about demographic facts is what got us Trump?

Yeah, no.

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7. Annoying or not, it's true. The country is browning as we speak. And what's that current phrase . .

going around — when you're used to being privileged, equality seems like oppression.

[Nonhlanhla]

9. A lot more white peole are racist than we tend to think

It's just that a lot of the racism sits under the surface. So they vote for ostensibly non-racial reasons that actually have a lot to do with race (e.g., opposition to welfare programs because of a vague sense that it benefits racial "others," although the given reasons for such opposition are usually different.

We lose the white vote because the GOP appeals to the racial anxieties of whites. They've done so for decades. Trump's version was just the most explicit.

[JI7]

11. whites will still be far greater in number then any other race. it just won't be majority

[JI7]

12. you could kill a black person on tape and get away with it if you're white

[rumdude]

16. That's a problem

And putting forth false narratives like "hands up, don't shoot" in the MB case doesn't help matters at all either.

[JI7]

18. voting trump doesnt help convince others one isn't a racist

[rumdude]

19. They didn't think "how can I prove to them I'm not a racist in the way I vote?"

They voted out of a feeling they had gathered from the culture, among other things.

[bravenak]

46. Racist feelings over a browning culture

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35. You don't know that's false. You're just repeating the DA's talking points

Two construction workers, whose testimony was not allowed, stated that Brown had his hands up.

Here's a transcript of some of their testimony and and a url to the video: Welcome to DU but come here prepared because we challenge bs talking points.

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/08/two-jefferson-county-construction-workers-describe-michael-brown-shooting/

One witness spoke to Fox 2's Shirley Washington on August 12. The other spoke to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Jeremy Kohler for an article published Friday.

"The fact he just happened to be there, it was just pure happenstance that he was there. He really couldn't put him in any kind of camp in terms of what you'd expect him to say," Kohler said.

Both witnesses said they did not see the reported altercation at the police car, but looked up after hearing a shot or shots.

After a reported foot chase, Kohler said the worker described a shot fired while Brown was running away.

The worker said Brown was "...kind of walking back toward the cop," his "hands were still up" and the witness described Officer Wilson "backing up as he fired."

The eyewitness who spoke to Fox 2 described hearing two pops, then looked up to see Brown.

"I saw him staggering and running and when he finally caught himself he threw his hands up and started screaming OK OK OK OK OK and then the three officers come through the thing and the one just started shooting," the worker told Fox 2`s Washington on August 12.

The Fox 2 witness immediately wrote down what he saw. He also drew a diagram showing him and his co-worker about 50 yards away. He wrote that the officer "emptied his gun into the guy."

[rumdude]

37. Did not the Obama justice department conclude it was false?

Maybe I'm not up to speed on this point.

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38. Read my post again. I added some of their statements and a video link

[rumdude]

39. Thanks

I'll check out that link.

[former9thward]

58. Here at DU we challenge talking points.

The Obama Justice Department said it was a lie.

Hands up, don’t shoot’ was built on a lie

What DOJ found made me ill. Wilson knew about the theft of the cigarillos from the convenience store and had a description of the suspects. Brown fought with the officer and tried to take his gun. And the popular hands-up storyline, which isn’t corroborated by ballistic and DNA evidence and multiple witness statements, was perpetuated by Witness 101. In fact, just about everything said to the media by Witness 101, whom we all know as Dorian Johnson, the friend with Brown that day, was not supported by the evidence and other witness statements.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/?utm_term=.6164493ea207

[Generator]

21. Outlaw abortion make sure all "your" white women

have as many kids as possible. Oh wait-that's already the Republicon plan. Worried about white people going extinct-uh no that's not what you heard. That's a neo-Nazi or white supremacist if you insist- talking point. What "they said" the media is that the voters will be less white and a minority soon. That's just a fact.

[DanTex]

25. The latest excuse for racism: it's Stephen Colbert's fault!

[GeorgeGist]

26. Not buying it.

[Hoyt]

28. Absurd. Whites who feel like that are racists.

[brewens]

40. Didn't Rush Limbaugh warn his audience that Obama would seek retribution against "Whitey"?

He of course did nothing of the sort, nor did he "git their gunz". I had some fun on election night with it though. I posted on FB that scene from 48 Hours with "Reggie Hammond" kicking ass and taking names in that redneck bar!

I don't suppose it ever occurred to these white racists to tell their men to keep "it" in their pants around dark skinned people? That would have gone a long way toward preserving their supremacy.

[yardwork]

47. The white vote hasn't supported a Democrat since LBJ.

[JI7]

51. and LBJ told us why at the time. and he was right then and he is right now

[yardwork]

53. Exactly.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

57. I've seen a couple posters here act that way in the past, but...

I don't think it had much impact on the election.

What concerned me more election-wise was the media showing BLM protestors blocking roads, the riots in Milwaukee, etc.

I'm not even sure if that stuff had much of an impact compared to Comey's "reopening" BS and other stories closer to election day, but it wouldn't surprise me if some white voters were turned off (or frightened) by it. My reasoning is partially based on examples from the past, with phenomena like "white flight" not long after major riots.

The media plays a role in it, especially the right-wing ones like FOX News. Sensationalism gets viewers, so they're more likely to show the worst examples from protests. Meanwhile, a white couple living in a rural area will likely develop stereotypes in their minds. There's also people who like to compile the worst examples of angry AA's and post them on YouTube, among other places.

It can work the other way too. The media will also focus on some angry white folks spouting racist comments and the like, and surely those anecdotes seem more like a broader pattern to some people.

The wealthy elites who have greater day-to-day impact on our lives don't mind. It's just another way to keep eyes off them!

[still_one]

59. Everyone who voted for Trump was well aware of Trump's racist, sexist, and xenophobic views, and

that fact did not stop them from voting for Trump

[Maru Kitteh]

60. Well yes, that IS what the "white nationalists" keep trying to tell us.

We don't hate them brownies! We just like our own people! We have a right to exist! We're endangered of the genocides!