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babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 09:21 AM Dec 2016

Trump keeps pulling the same trick because it keeps working

Posted with permission.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-keeps-pulling-the-same-trick-because-it-keeps-working?cid=sm_fb_maddow


Trump keeps pulling the same trick because it keeps working
12/29/16 08:00 AM
By Steve Benen


Donald Trump’s presidential inauguration is still three weeks away, but the president-elect desperately wants Americans to believe he’s already racking up enormous successes – just as long as the public doesn’t look too closely at the details, which show his accomplishments are actually a mirage.

Late yesterday, for example, Politico published this piece, which said exactly what the Republican transition team wanted to see.

President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday announced the creation of 8,000 new private-sector jobs in the United States, including 5,000 that he says telecommunications company Sprint Corp. will be bringing back from “other countries.”

“We just had some very good news,” Trump told the transition press pool. “Because of what is happening and the spirit and the hope, I was just called by the head people at Sprint and they are going to be bringing 5,000 jobs back to the United States. They have taken them from other countries.”


In the same “announcement,” Trump boasted that he’s learned that a company called OneWeb was adding an additional 3,000 jobs – because of, you know, “what is happening and the spirit and the hope.”

The trouble, as Politico acknowledged soon after, is that Trump was pulling a scam he’s leaned on many times: those new jobs were announced months ago. The president-elect wanted credit for others’ work, hoping the public – and news organizations – wouldn’t notice.

If the trick sounds familiar, it’s because this wasn’t the first time Trump has executed the scam.

It began in earnest just 10 days after Election Day, when Trump boasted that, thanks to his amazing work, Ford had agreed to keep a Lincoln SUV plant in Kentucky. There was just one detail he neglected to mention: Ford hadn’t intended to close the Kentucky plant. Trump was either trying to deceive the public or he was bragging about an economic decision he didn’t understand and had nothing to do with.

Two weeks later, Trump announced he’d reached an agreement with Carrier, which initially sounded great, but which was far less encouraging upon closer inspection. Trump exaggerated the number of jobs saved, rewarded a company with taxpayer money that was closing a plant and shipping jobs to Mexico, and fudged the facts about how many of the saved jobs will be eliminated anyway.

By early December, Trump was claiming credit for Softbank hires that had been announced months earlier. (This was an extension of the news he also announced yesterday. He’s claimed credit the same jobs multiple times, despite having nothing to do with them.)

A week later, Trump supporters eagerly credited the president-elect for IBM’s plan to expand its workforce, despite the fact that the company’s hiring announcement was initially made in May – seven months before the presidential election.

Team Trump keeps pulling the scam in part to mislead people, but also because it keeps having the intended effect. The president-elect will tell reporters, as he did yesterday, about some encouraging economic development, which news organizations quickly pass along to the public – before the media realizes that he’s trying to pull a fast one.

The moral of the story should be obvious: stop taking Donald Trump’s claims at face value. This guy has a nasty habit of making untrue, self-aggrandizing claims, which he’ll keep doing so long as his deceptions are rewarded.


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Trump keeps pulling the same trick because it keeps working (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2016 OP
How gd stupid are the USm$media******? Don't answer.. Rhetorical.. Cha Dec 2016 #1
You have to ask yourself: annabanana Dec 2016 #3
Both...n/t ewagner Dec 2016 #5
I'm going for both, too. Cha Dec 2016 #13
They are not stupid as much as they just do not frigging do their job. They run around & report Alekzander Dec 2016 #14
They have no ability to fact check because they outsourced it long ago and then cut the budget Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #16
Exactly right. Alekzander Dec 2016 #17
Trump denied access. No open press conferences in months ghostsinthemachine Dec 2016 #30
Someone needs to explain to them, Snarkoleptic Dec 2016 #2
Stephen Colbert tried to do that at the WH Corespondents Dinner that time. nt tblue37 Dec 2016 #15
iT WENT RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS. pangaia Dec 2016 #23
Hitler convinced enough Germans that The Wizard Dec 2016 #4
There has to be *something* we can do about the press. Without addressing profit margins LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #6
The media needs to CEASE reporting any "tweet" or other "announcement" BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #7
AGNOTOLOGY pangaia Dec 2016 #25
If he wants to take credit for it, then he owns the economy starting now, and whatever happens Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #8
He should not GET AWAY with taking credit for it in the first place. pangaia Dec 2016 #26
yes, but the people want to believe will believe whereas the relaity-based community knows Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #37
Sadly... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #34
No doubt, and we'll have to spend the next 4 years rebutting his nonsense Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #36
My concern is... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #38
well, they do report the truth but it's usually buried and the stupid headlines are misleading Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #39
Print media is much better... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #40
yes, but headline are used to mislead in online news, print news and TV news Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #41
Agreed. Nt. Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #42
AGNOTOLOGY pangaia Dec 2016 #43
Good call. Nt. Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #44
Mr. Benen's writing is always great. rec, ntl Mc Mike Dec 2016 #9
THis is probably a good thing, in the long haul greymattermom Dec 2016 #10
It is not a good thing because it is blatant lies and people with no brains have short, pangaia Dec 2016 #28
hey don, those jobs don't have one fucking thing to do with you spanone Dec 2016 #11
eventually he will claim he knocked up the virgin mary and jesus called him Dad dembotoz Dec 2016 #12
And the people lining up to be Donnie's Fluffer 47of74 Dec 2016 #18
He controls the narrative because no one contradicts him. Kablooie Dec 2016 #19
His supporters are also latching onto these news stories Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #20
So what is he going to do... say in September of 2017 usaf-vet Dec 2016 #21
Doesn't matter. He is lying now and he will lie then. pangaia Dec 2016 #29
And last night I listened to NPR tell about the recent Trump triumph rurallib Dec 2016 #22
Our media... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #24
This morning on CNBC, one of their contributors was giddy for 15 minutes about Trump's jobs wishstar Dec 2016 #27
a black man as POTUS heaven05 Dec 2016 #32
he keeps getting away with his lies heaven05 Dec 2016 #31
More Than Pretty Faces erpowers Dec 2016 #33
This way the media gets more mileage out of the story. gulliver Dec 2016 #35
In the media's defense, everything he says is usually babylonsister Dec 2016 #45
 

Alekzander

(479 posts)
14. They are not stupid as much as they just do not frigging do their job. They run around & report
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:47 AM
Dec 2016

what he says immediately but never seem to follow up on facts.

However, remember what Chuck Todd said; it is not my job to fact-check or question the validity only report.

Ford_Prefect

(7,872 posts)
16. They have no ability to fact check because they outsourced it long ago and then cut the budget
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:12 AM
Dec 2016

for external services. The only thing they do now is cheer lead the predominant emotion and demonstrate the attitude we are expected to reflect.

Since their corporate masters don't want us to make fact based decisions that works out just fine. If any facts ever do make it to broadcast they are so late to the argument as to seem circumstantial and irrelevant.



ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
30. Trump denied access. No open press conferences in months
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:30 PM
Dec 2016

Yesterday? Two questions. Unless we can ask him openly, then he can hide.

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
4. Hitler convinced enough Germans that
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 09:50 AM
Dec 2016

he would make Germany great again. It works when the working class can't stay above water. Trump followers are a sub cult of the larger cult known as the GOP. Another sub cult of the GOP cult is the Ku Klux Klan, and they support Herr Twitler. The Aryans among us are still the minority, but a minority that has gamed a system put in place by ----------------------- slave owners. The Electoral College was a bargain forged in Hades to get slave states to sign onto the Constitution. And today the majority is subjugated by the minority because of it.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
6. There has to be *something* we can do about the press. Without addressing profit margins
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 09:53 AM
Dec 2016

we are entitled to a free and open press.

This is bizarre.

BumRushDaShow

(128,509 posts)
7. The media needs to CEASE reporting any "tweet" or other "announcement"
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:00 AM
Dec 2016

from that conglomerate until it is fact-checked... and if it is false, then disappear it. There is plenty of other factual and substantive "news" out there, both nationally and internationally that can be reported.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
25. AGNOTOLOGY
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:13 PM
Dec 2016
"..... is the study of culturally induced ignorance or doubt, particularly the publication of inaccurate or misleading scientific data."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnotology
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
8. If he wants to take credit for it, then he owns the economy starting now, and whatever happens
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:06 AM
Dec 2016

from now on. No blaming Obama for anything that goes wrong (though of course he will).

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
37. yes, but the people want to believe will believe whereas the relaity-based community knows
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:01 PM
Dec 2016

the truth... and so it goes...

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
34. Sadly...
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 01:55 PM
Dec 2016

For the next four years, everything positive that occurs -- even if he had no part in such -- Trump will take credit for it and everytime something negative happens -- even if Trump was the reason for such -- it will be Obama's fault.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
36. No doubt, and we'll have to spend the next 4 years rebutting his nonsense
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:00 PM
Dec 2016

hopefully that will be the worst that we will have to do

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
38. My concern is...
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:03 PM
Dec 2016

The media will not report the truth and will just repeat verbatim whatever Trump tweets as if it were truth.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
41. yes, but headline are used to mislead in online news, print news and TV news
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:24 PM
Dec 2016

even for TV a lot of people don't play close attention and just read the chyrons or whatever.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
43. AGNOTOLOGY
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:39 PM
Dec 2016

"..... is the study of culturally induced ignorance or doubt, particularly the publication of inaccurate or misleading scientific data."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnotology

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
10. THis is probably a good thing, in the long haul
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:10 AM
Dec 2016

he'll be busy announcing stuff for businesses and won't have time to do much. Now, Congress has to be stopped, but someone can figure out how to get them to fight among themselves. I hope.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. It is not a good thing because it is blatant lies and people with no brains have short,
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:15 PM
Dec 2016

very selective memories.

dembotoz

(16,785 posts)
12. eventually he will claim he knocked up the virgin mary and jesus called him Dad
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:16 AM
Dec 2016

cause ya know the christianity thing will be yuuuuge

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
18. And the people lining up to be Donnie's Fluffer
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:27 AM
Dec 2016

Would insist that's true and attack anyone who says otherwise.

Kablooie

(18,612 posts)
19. He controls the narrative because no one contradicts him.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:28 AM
Dec 2016

And he repeats it so often that the public will soon accept it as fact.

Even if he was constantly contradicted it would get so tiresome that no one would notice after awhile.

He will win the propaganda war and no one can do anything about it.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,395 posts)
20. His supporters are also latching onto these news stories
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:33 AM
Dec 2016

and using it to further cement their love for their "God Emperor" (never mind all of the jobs created in this country since 2009 under President Obama, whose policies at least had some positive effects on job growth/creation). It's maddeningly stupid and sickening that Trump is claiming credit for these scattered jobs stories. News outlets should at least, you know, do some basic fact-checking before posting their stories. At least, do some cursory checking to figure out if Trump indeed was responsible for the jobs instead of just allowing him to wildly claim credit for things that he can't possibly be responsible for.

usaf-vet

(6,163 posts)
21. So what is he going to do... say in September of 2017
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:38 AM
Dec 2016

when his look back take credit machine can't find anything credible in his first nine months to brag about?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. Doesn't matter. He is lying now and he will lie then.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:17 PM
Dec 2016

And our stenographers, known to some as the media, will type it all down and spew it out..

rurallib

(62,387 posts)
22. And last night I listened to NPR tell about the recent Trump triumph
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:42 AM
Dec 2016

of jobs at Sprint followed up with a comment about his success with Carrier.

I got a new internet radio for Christmas that will be used a lot.

But NPR has this now undeserved reputation for being unbiased. They can do some damage.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
27. This morning on CNBC, one of their contributors was giddy for 15 minutes about Trump's jobs
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:14 PM
Dec 2016

He made one quick reference to some of these jobs already announced weeks ago, but overall excitedly praising and fawning over all the new jobs Trump is bringing back. The Con is definitely a master at media manipulation and self-promotion.


Too bad Pres Obama and his Administration didn't get a tiny fraction of as much attention and credit for the millions of additional jobs since Bush left office- instead it was begrudging mentions by the media with overwhelmingly negative caveats.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
32. a black man as POTUS
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:48 PM
Dec 2016

has definitely made ameriKKKa show it's true color, nature and culture........I'm glad it's finally in the open. No more lying and distraction/diversion from the fact that an overwhelming majority of ameriKKKans who voted for the new fuhrer are racist pigs with pure hate and evil aka dylann roof, in their wicked putrid hearts.....no more hypocrisy. In the open, they can be dealt with......

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
31. he keeps getting away with his lies
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:43 PM
Dec 2016

and cons, p**** grabbing, racism, sexism, xenophobia ect.....because ameriKKKans on their knees kissing his ass let him do it. Please.... ameriKKKa is screwed, probably irrevocably. And ameriKKKans will be whining soon a I will tell them face to face, stfu!!!!!!!! I have an trumpfuhrer voting ex-friend I just can't wait to scream that at him................

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
33. More Than Pretty Faces
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:51 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe this is why news reporters should be more than just pretty faces. How many of the talking head on television really know anything about the issues they are discussing? I guess the 24 hour news cycle and the desire to put out information first could also be a problem, but how many of these news anchors doing nothing more than reading from a teleprompter? Could the news anchors and the news producers not have asked questions about the 5,000 jobs statement considering it was connected to the same person who had just a few months ago had announced that an investment from his company would bring 50,000 jobs to the United States?

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
35. This way the media gets more mileage out of the story.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 01:59 PM
Dec 2016

They report what Trump says. Then they debunk it. Ads appear on both.

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
45. In the media's defense, everything he says is usually
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:41 PM
Dec 2016

debunkable. Up is down.

Yes, they helped create him, but now we all have to share.

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