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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:41 PM Dec 2016

About not calling trump voters bigots

I heard a lot of people on here talk about how we must not think that all the current supporters and racists. Now I can understand where they're coming from, there are a lot of people in those three states that made the election that are economically desperate, that did not see much of the progress or for that matter any progress made. It is indeed hard when you have seen an entire infrastructure of your community literally hollow out and rot. Before I moved to Florida, I myself lived in what is called the Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton area, if you have ever heard the Billy Joel song "Allentown", that is the exact same area that was crucial in this election. It is also the same area that Hillary Clinton's father hails from.

Just like in that song, there are many people who remember jobs like Mack truck, Bethlehem Steel, any number of jobs that were heavy industry and paid reasonably well. These are jobs that got moved abroad, and sad to say while some Democrats did speak out against these moves, there were many that did not. However before you think I'm about to go ahead and excuse people for what was generally "deplorable" behavior, rest assured. For one thing, a lot of these union members were all too happy to play along with the "Southern strategy" that Richard Nixon employed. A lot of unions really did not like Latinos or other minorities that were moving into these areas. Unwittingly, they did not realize that when they closed union membership to these minorities they were in effect choking out their own future. No, many of these people were not racist, but but they didn't do is that they let the racist in their midst get the say. Now why they did that, some people may have felt that these new people were threatening their jobs. Some people many people and he probably had no personal hatred of minorities, but in America, we all use the general excuse, "we're just looking out for family." The problem is, when you look out for only your narrow group, that makes it that much easier for those who want to go ahead and make you powerless to defeat you.

The best example of all this: is been provided by know by the else but Trump himself. The person he hired to help fix our economy is the very man who saw the Bethlehem Steel twin Indian company. It has been a long time since I've lived in Pennsylvania, but if I was in the Democratic Party of their I would be wanting to put that on repeat and repeat and repeat over and over again. The the man that gutted Bethlehem Steel is the man Trump hired! That should be repeated like a mantra because if nothing else a lot of the same Trump voters that widest ticket to Hillary really would love to stick it to him because he is the man that personally got rid of all their jobs and got rich doing it!

Of course some things are not changed, no not every Trump boater is a racist. However they knew who Trump was, got made no effort to hide himself at all! No one can watch for rallies where black people and women were outright targeted and at any illusions about what that man was about. It would be one thing if this was some new fellow that came out of left field, some new kid, or some person who really did not make any sort of celebrity style impact, but Donald Trump has been known for almost 4 decades, and in all that time he has never tried to hide himself, or even hacked like he had to. Let's be perfectly honest, and BCP this man to be an aggressive bully. This man even made it to wrestlemania, where he played the same character which apparently has turned out not to be a character at all. He even hired one of the WWE executives to be the head of small business. So when I hear people say all they had no idea he was naked or they had no idea he would be so mean to the working class, they are either lying to themselves or lying to us, and frankly as much as we would like to think that bigotry is a matter of white sheets, burning crosses, and swastikas, the truth is bigotry does its damage when people know better just go along with it in the hopes that they benefit, this was no different in Germany, it was no different in the Soviet Union, and is not going to be different in America unless the people were willing to go along to get along are confronted!

No I am not saying that you go ahead and act like some bad "all in the family episode" where you yell at your Archie Bunker father-in-law. But what I am saying is that if you trying to be too tender, too polite, too accommodating, unfortunately those people either see you as dishonest, or weak. It does not help that everybody from even the supposedly liberal networks, to the preachers on Sunday, to the bigoted coworker was trying to encourage everybody because he thinks that people are finally agreeing with him, will will be doing their best to make sure you're not listened to. Yes the actual numbers of swastika wearing bigots are small, while they are growing. We cannot keep their heads buried in the sand when a bunch of people are willing to get on television and yell "heil Trump!" It used to be that a lot of the stuff that is shown on the Internet was stuff that happened in close doors, it is becoming mainstream. If you do not want your nice Trump voting on goal and Aunt to get caught up in that mass you will need to go ahead and be firm and clear but Trump is not what they want. Granted, Trump is already showing that he is not brilliant at hiding what he is, hiring the man that gutted Bethlehem Steel will not play the same way in Pennsylvania come 2020. However, while you don't want to be the cartoon character "liberal", you have to be willing to confront things as they are. And you have to be willing to say look if you go ahead and affiliate yourself with baguettes, with people who were violent, with people poor ignorant, you will be dragged down with them.

You might empathize with why an alcoholic relative drinks. But if you know that bottle is going to kill them, that most loving act you can do is to try to get them off the bottle. Failing that, if your relative behaves in such a way that they'll make it very clear that they will not learn until after it is too late ,the very least you have to make it clear that you are not going to go ahead and get in the car when they say "I am perfectly fine to drive." If you cannot get the keys away from them, that the very least make sure that you don't get in the back seat of the car, so that you will survive and you will be the one who can go ahead and help fix things after they crash. When I hear people say don't call these people bigots, I hear the tones of the person who is willing to get in the car with the drunk driver because they don't want to offend the realm, sorry to say the morgues are full of people who did not say what they need to say.

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About not calling trump voters bigots (Original Post) DonCoquixote Dec 2016 OP
not trying to call people out DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #1
and of course, how could I forget this: DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #2
k&r bigtree Dec 2016 #3
The problem I have with your analogy is that we are in the car with the drunk driver mythology Dec 2016 #4
The president said in his own words that he just can't stop himself from grabbing pussies. OregonBlue Dec 2016 #5
K&R uppityperson Dec 2016 #6
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
4. The problem I have with your analogy is that we are in the car with the drunk driver
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:53 PM
Dec 2016

When Bush's economic approach crashed the economy, it wasn't just Bush supporters who lost their jobs or their houses. We need to be able to maintain some level of integration because Trump is going to do (more) incredibly stupid things.

When Republicans opted to do nothing productive for the last 6 years, they had Obama at the helm and he wasn't known for throwing temper tantrums. Obama was a serious elected official. Basically the entire Republican congressional delegation, much less Trump himself aren't serious.

But telling people that they are bigots doesn't help. The ones who are, don't care and the ones who aren't bigots aren't going to be swayed by calling them names. The trick is to present a case, arguing that Trump policy A will lead to outcome B and here is why that's bad.

OregonBlue

(7,753 posts)
5. The president said in his own words that he just can't stop himself from grabbing pussies.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:54 PM
Dec 2016

I'm sorry but anyone who voted for him is stupid, ignorant, disgusting, sexist, and crazy. I will never give them the benefit of the doubt.

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