Dear Hillary... Get Your Ass Out There and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[eniwetok]

If an actual vote is a citizens consent to govern, then the People gave that consent to YOU Hillary. The PEOPLE rejected Trump, and his emotional immaturity, his intellectual dishonesty, his pathological narcissism, and his insane far right agenda by close to 3 million votes.

I don't don't know what your plans are but you better not be licking your wounds, getting ready to retire from public life. If you thought you had the energy to be president for 4 or 8 years then you have the energy to fight what may be the most important battle of your life: saving America and the Democratic legacy from a sociopathic president and his band of far right henchmen. This is no time to retire to Long Island. It's no time to let Bernie, Liz Warren, etc to organize the resistance movements alone. You better be prepared to get your ass out there and leverage that 3 million vote leverage and do it NOW.

[DURHAM D]

1. You actually think you have the stones to shame Hillary?

pathetic


She is a million miles ahead of you.

[eniwetok]

3. WTF are you babbling about?

My post was a call to insure HRC and her 3 million vote margin remained relevant. Try reading for comprehension.

[DURHAM D]

4. Not surprised that you don't even know what you did.

Do you shame all women or just Hillary?

Obvious problem

[eniwetok]

7. do you always make idiotic posts?

I can ask dumb, loaded questions to.

Now do you have anything to say about the actual topic?

[DURHAM D]

10. She is already hard at work to build / rebuild the party.

Her campaign included a lot of party building activity btw. I am not surprised you don't know the first damn thing about it.

Done with you.

[TonyPDX]

12. Please share a source -- perhaps others would like to know more about that.

I know I would.

[DURHAM D]

14. If you worked for or volunteered for her campaign

you would already know this.

Can't supply a source to what I witness first hand.

[TonyPDX]

18. Yes, I did. I worked for her and the coordinated campaign in my county.

When did you witness her making speeches against Trump's actions after the election? She has made two appearances and nothing more. She has the highest name recognition of perhaps any Democrat on the planet. Not what I'd have expected from the person I hoped would lead us. She didn't win so she disappears?

[TonyPDX]

27. Certainly no less entitled to an opinion, if that's all you have backing up your statement.

[kickitup]

28. Oh, FFS, I'm a woman, and you are being ridiculous.

[DURHAM D]

31. Did I address you?

[kickitup]

38. You didn't have to.

[eniwetok]

51. Do you think you're the Queen of the forum?

And YES.... I addressed you without your permission.

[Hortensis]

158. I think your post was profoundly insulting, and

if that was not actually intended, it seems revelatory of lack of insight into the processes and principles of democracy.

DURING OUR ENDANGERED BUT INCREDIBLY PRECIOUS PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER IS NOT THE TIME FOR THE DEFEATED CANDIDATE TO REENGAGE. It's not just a matter of principle, but of responsibility and strategic competence. There's a time, and this isn't it.

[Cha]

163. Thank you for that Thoughtful Response,

Hortensis!

[Hortensis]

169. Been mostly away, come back and find this

shooting into the circle OP on the GD forum. Hi, btw.

[George II]

175. If she was out making speeches now she'd be bashed as a sore loser....

....and her comments would be looked upon as sour grapes.

[BainsBane]

79. She campaigned with local Democrats

Promoted their candidacy at events, and she raised millions of dollars for state parties.
She coordinated her campaign efforts with local parties--something all Democrats have not done. What that meant is that when Clinton volunteers canvassed or made calls, they also volunteered for local candidates--from senate to congress and state legislators, as well as ballot initiatives supported by local parties.

She did so dating back to the primary, and she even instructed her volunteers to help some local candidates who had endorsed Sanders. Sanders did none of that. In fact his primary concern seemed to be whether someone had endorsed him.

[LisaM]

88. Amen.

I have never observed Sanders out in Washington State in off years working for other candidates. Ever.

[TonyPDX]

99. How does that relate to the original topic? Where is Hillary now?

I worked my ass off for her, and wonder now if she was indeed the leader everyone hoped she'd have been. She should be out there fighting for the same issues and programs that motivated our support for her.

[George II]

134. "Where is Hillary now?" In what manner would you like her to be "out fighting" NOW???

[Hekate]

149. None of them really have an answer for that, do they?

One even said she "looks weak," but didn't say what "strong" would look like.

I have a feeling they don't know what she actually did during the campaign, or what the Clinton Foundation does, or anything else. Hillary just "owes" us.

[George II]

174. Maybe some should pull up her 11-hour appearance before the Benghazi Committee?

Weak? My ass.

[TonyPDX]

97. "campaigned," past tense. Where is she today? Meanwhile, Sen. Sanders is still fighting.

[BainsBane]

135. Senator Sanders is on the public payroll

As a Senator, he has a vote over cabinet picks and future legislation.

Clinton is at home with her family for the holidays, like other private citizens. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what Bernie and the rest of congress is also doing.

I am glad that Bernie decided to focus his criticism toward Trump rather than the Democratic Party. I welcome the evolution. I guess he figured out Trump wasn't going to be an ally in tackling corporate corporate corruption after all. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-allies/

The question that you demanded proof for was wha she had done in regard to party building. I gave you examples. Rather than acknowledging that your response was to again attack, which is exactly what the point of all of this is. I think we know full well you don't want her leading the party or doing anything other than serving as a scapegoat.

I think it's sad that people are so invested in animus toward one woman that even when they siuceed in ridding the party of her they continue to attack her.

Obviously you aren't on Clinton's email list or don't follow any groups that support her or you wouldn't have to ask what she is doing.

Trump isn't president yet, and Hillary has never been a TV politician. There are some who live for the cameras and do nothing that isn't for a television audience. That isn't Hillary. She will be fighting, but not on TV. She doesn't exist for your or anyone else's entertainment.

[George II]

136. How is Sanders "still fighting" today? What is he doing except making appearances...

...to sell his book??

He's even making children as young as 10 years old buy a book in order to see him!!

A perfect example (in YOUR area!) earlier this month:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/senator-bernie-sanders-appearance-at-powells-books-tickets-28425847475#

DESCRIPTION

Powell’s Books is honored to welcome Senator Bernie Sanders for the release of his new book, Our Revolution.

RULES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Wristband Ticket:

This ticket entitles you to one (1) wristband to meet Bernie Sanders with the purchase of the book Our Revolution. To receive a wristband, book payment will be required upon presentation of your ticket on the event day. The book price is $27. Wristband Ticket with matching photo ID required to obtain a wristband—no exceptions. Tickets are not transferable. Name on ticket must match ID. There is a limit of one (1) wristband ticket and one (1) book per person. Children over 10 will need their own Wristband Ticket and will require a book purchase for admission.

Event Description:

Wristband Ticket/book buyers are allowed one posed photo with Bernie Sanders.

An employee of Powell’s Books will take your picture using your phone or camera. Sanders will not sign anything during the event, so no memorabilia or other items are allowed.

[karynnj]

151. In Burlington Vermont, he hosted a holiday dinner for at least a couple hundred seniors

many bused in to attend the meal his office paid for ... as he has done for more than a dozen years. A local high school provided christmas carols and the Senator spoke, both to the crowd and then went around to speak to many people. He took photos with anyone who wanted one. ALL FREE.

I live in Vermont and have seen both Sanders and Leahy and Congressman Welch. They are very accessible and that is the New England culture!

[cwydro]

173. Wow.

So much for socialism.

More like venal capitalism.

Bernie can just go away. Soon.

[RegexReader]

198. At least Bernie is working it and not resting on a Foundation's $$$$$

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I'll say it again, this past election was ours. Bernie would have won it. He had the passion to go to those states and get the voters engaged.
He won't have taken Wisconsin for granted and not showed up. He would have spoken to the workers in Michigan plus Pennsylvannia and gotten them to realize that the (D) party is the one that cares for their issues. Instead of flying between the Hamptons & Martha's Vineyard to Hollywood on fund raising jaunts for the month of August.

[George II]

199. You simply do not understand....

And these republican talking points are getting monotonous.

Neither Hillary Clinton nor Bill Clinton nor Chelsea Clinton NEVER GOT ANY MONEY FROM THEIR FOUNDATION!!!!!!!

Not a dollar, not a dime, not a penny. Do you realize that? Why do people persist in dragging that totally false notion into these discussions?

We don't know what Sanders would have done in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania - he wasn't the nominee. But there's one thing we do know. Days after the convention, when the candidate who wasn't successful traditionally appears with the nominee on the campaign trail (just like Hillary Clinton did in 2008 with Barack Obama), Sanders was off buying himself a new house (mansion?) on an island in Lake Champlain for a price that was about double his reported net worth.

So, you and others are concerned about Clinton's source of income but don't care a whit about Sanders' source of income? Why is that?

[otohara]

204. Thank you for chiming in Reince

Some Republicans have presented the embattled Clinton Foundation as serving one purpose: "lining the pockets of Bill and Hillary Clinton," as GOP Chair Reince Priebus put it.

[George II]

84. Have you been to hillaryclinton.com since the election?

[TonyPDX]

96. Of course! But is that any way to fight President-Elect Donald Trump?

You're kidding, right?

[RegexReader]

209. this is the way its done

Pipeline protesters keeping it in the faces

[Equinox Moon]

17. I am in full support of 'eniwetok's' post here.

This post is exactly how I feel. I woke up this morning wondering what Hillary was up to and if she will join-in to save America. We need her to join the fight and be one of the resistance leaders.

Actually, we needed her to fight the voting results, because she did win and there was massive tomfoolery-rigging is the reason bully-man got more electoral votes. He did not win.

[DURHAM D]

23. She can do no right. nt

[TonyPDX]

34. At the very least she could try.

Sooner or later one comes in off the trail and rejoins the fight.

[brutus smith]

41. Right now

she looks weak, and every right wing blogger sees her that way. She needs to get out there and show them she is strong.

[Hekate]

146. Oh ffs

[RegexReader]

210. Yeah, easy to say that

when letting others do the heavy lifting for you. Time we get some new blood out there and be willing to take it to the streets.
And the common person seeing this, sees someone sitting in the lap of luxury without a care in the world much less for them.
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[Equinox Moon]

40. This thread and our comments supporting it,

are NOT an HRC slam. On the contrary. This is call out to HRC to join-in. We need her to help lead the resistance.

[eniwetok]

49. exactly.... but obviously some here....

But obviously some here don't think we're in the fight of our lives.... and think it's OK if HRC is irrelevant.

[Equinox Moon]

58. January 15th - "Our First Stand: SAVE HEALTH CARE"

It would be helpful for Hillary to join-in on this national rally call.

Perfect timing for her to help lead.

[TonyPDX]

101. I would love to see her there.

[Hekate]

147. Oh yeah, because that has always worked so well for her from the 1990s onward. YOUR JOB...

...as a citizen is to change the House of Representatives in 2018.

[Cha]

164. Now you're just putting words into others' mouths.

[tecelote]

202. Amazing isn't it?

Out of complete respect for one of the most powerful Democrats ever, the questions is asked, where are you? Because, we need your help.

And some people see this as a slight against Hillary?!

[lapucelle]

205. Get your ass out there....

sounds completely respectful to me.

[tecelote]

207. High horse you have there.

[lapucelle]

74. I'm with you, Durham D.

Hillary is doing exactly what she should be doing. With new Democratic leadership in the Senate, the last thing they need is another publicity hungry grandstander.

I've been active in my local party for almost 40 years. I encourage anyone who volunteered for the primaries or general election to continue to work. You might feel a bit more in the loop and understand post election machinations better.

As for the cluster of umbrage that followed, the two tip offs were the immediate appearance of a log-rolling echo chamber and the remark about the emails. I wouldn't take any of it seriously.

[TonyPDX]

102. Sitting silent doesn't move us forward one inch. That's leadership?

[lapucelle]

109. You seem to be confusing leadership with grandstanding.

You were part of county DNC leadership. You must be aware that no one is sitting silent.

[onenote]

171. so what do you think she should be doing? engaging in a twitter war with Trump?

[triron]

172. I don't see any potential

activism by Hillary in any way as a "publicity hungry grandstander".
That's demeaning to her character at least implicitly. I would encourage her activism myself. Normally doing what she is doing would be the civil abd expected thing to do, but this is not a 'normal' election result and the 'winning' candidate is abominable. It is a very anomalous situation, not to mention extremely dangerous.

[lapucelle]

183. My point is that people should not assume that it is not happening at all

because they do not see it happening publicly. There is a very fine line that must be walked. Even President Obama is being criticized and second guessed for taking action, as is his prerogative and constitutional duty.

[triron]

201. maybe.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. You call that party building?!?! Throwing Bernie and his supporters under the bus??

I'm sorry, but honestly, I don't see how you can say that with a straight face.

[DURHAM D]

26. LOL

[brutus smith]

43. So, we are beneath you huh?

[Hekate]

156. Have we met before?

[LiberalLovinLug]

123. Never understood the Laughing Smilie response as some kind of answer.

It seems to be the quid pro quo of a certain sect on here. At least you changed it up a bit, its usually a

Its a school yard response by bullies that get called out. Do you really think it works on intelligent adults?

[BainsBane]

56. How exactly did she do that?

By having the audacity to earn 3.8 million more votes?

[lapucelle]

78. The contempt is for third party spoilers, no show narcissists who weren't sufficiently "inspired"

to do the right thing on election day, and those who assumed that those tactics could be leveraged into power in the Democratic party once the Democratic nominee was defeated.

[eniwetok]

32. You need to undergo some values clarification.

Fine, I get it. Perhaps YOU are the one who's degrading women or have some bizarre idea that if a WOMAN "loses" an election, she must then retire gracefully and make herself irrelevant in national life.

The Trump Junta is an existential threat to the Democratic legacy. This is a f*cking emergency. As the moral leader of the Democratic Party I'm suggesting she has a VITAL role in the fight to protect it. But obviously you seem to believe trying to insure she remains a leader in the party, where she can help lead the fight to save Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security etc... is an insult to her as a women.

I think you need to undergo some SERIOUS values clarification.

[TonyPDX]

36. Well expressed.

[panader0]

67. "Values clarification"-- I like that phrase

Yesterday I told a poster that said she hated Bernie with the "heat of a thousand
suns" and more, that she needed therapy. I got my post hidden. And called a
misogynist. So from now on I will use "values clarification".

[eniwetok]

72. it sounds oh so 1970's...

Ya, I haven't really heard that term used since the 70's... any more than I've heard the term class consciousness. And yet both remain useful and relevant concepts.

[pangaia]

81. You must be careful about criticizing Clinton, even if it is well-meant constructive criticism.

There are a select number of DUers who always see that as sexist.

Sometimes, I agree, it is sexist, even unknowingly so. But even when it is not, it is seen as being sexist.

[eniwetok]

115. I chose a provocative title on purpose

And I can't bother about the rants of DU extremists who are so f*cking sensitive they're looking for fights if someone dots their "i"s wrong. The times are desperate, HRC knows her stuff and she's a fighter, she WON the election... and if anyone has the goddamn right to get out there and fight for the Democrat's legacy and for abolishing the EC... it's HRC.

[SammyWinstonJack]

113. +1000000!

[Cha]

165. You're mistaken.. no one is "retiring gracefully".. those are your words..

[BunkieBandit]

167. President Obama is head of the Democratic Party.

Not HRC nor Bernie. (Bernie supporter here)

[Ever-Green]

208. Yeah, for 3 more weeks.

Who'll take over then? PBO, HRC, or umumum BS?

[lapucelle]

206. Whenever I ask a vital leader to help me, I tell her "get your ass out there".

Anything less would be disrespectful.

[eniwetok]

121. are you trying to sabotage the Dem legacy?

Hmmm.... wanting the Dems to unilaterally disarm, figuratively speaking, you ARE trying to sabotage the Democratic legacy in the face of an existential threat.

Wow...

I chose the title to be provocative. Sue me. Obviously you prefer to whine up a storm and make personal attacks than discuss the topic. No doubt because you have a monopoly of ideas on how to deal with the existential crisis the Dems are in. I await your words from on high.

[George II]

138. And yet again you complain or, to use your own word, "whine" about personal attacks....

....as you launch into a string of them.

No doubt you won't respond to this one.

[LakeArenal]

19. Thanks for your post.

I commented something similar on another post and got a lecture as well; telling me that I am silly and confused.

[yurbud]

91. doing what? Is she so far ahead of us we can't see what she's doing?

[madaboutharry]

2. She lives in Westchester,

not Long Island. You don't know her plans.

[eniwetok]

5. nitpickers field day

OK... Chappaqua, WESTCHESTER County, NY.

And didn't I say in my OP "I don't don't know what your plans are but you better not be licking your wounds, getting ready to retire from public life."

[Cha]

166. You have no clue what's going on.. you just want to order her around.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. I'm looking forward to hearing Hillary's plans... Dems are gonna need all the troops we can muster to fight that Cheetoh-faced Nazi's racist policies.

Let's unite in that fight!!

[citood]

6. She holds no elected office

What do you want her to do? Go on talk shows and re-hash the election?

[eniwetok]

9. she held no office when she ran for president...

So did that disqualify her from fighting for the Democratic platform?

But if you feel she should retire into irrelevancy... you're entitled to your opinion.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. Excellent point! Hillary still enjoys vast Democratic support... she should use it to help advance the causes of those still in office, like Bernie, who continue the good fight.

I'm sure once Hillary is done taking some well-deserved time off from politics, she will add her voice to Bernie's vigorous tRump opposition and help unite the party.

[BainsBane]

75. "Vast Democratic support"

An astounding comment given that she is regularly accused of being a Third Way corporatist sell-out around here. We have been told day in and day out that the party lost because she was such a bad candidate, that Bernie would have beaten Trump. Yet somehow responsibility for opposing Trump falls not to legislators but the person we have been told for years is unfit to be president.

It appears to me that some feel lost without Hillary to focus their anger on.

Oh, wait-- you want her to advance "the cause" of Bernie. I should have realized.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

80. When did I say the responsibility for opposing tRump falls solely on Hillary?! We ALL have an important part to play...

Given Hillary's loyal following, she just has a SPECIAL role... which, yes, includes helping Bernie lead the charge in the Senate. Is that really too much to ask?!

[BainsBane]

90. You just insisted she threw Sanders supporters under the bus

Yet have not yet said how.

Perhaps she will work on issues before congress. Emails I've gotten as recent as two days ago indicate that she will continue the fight. Congress, however, is not in session and Trump hasn't even taken office.

As for the Senate, Chuck Schumer leads it, not Bernie.

It must be frustrating that Clinton hasn't made herself available to serve as a rhetorical piñata. I can imagine that people who have spent so many years attacking her feel a bit lost.

If she decided to retreat into private life, that would be her right. She has taken more shit--abject hatred--than any person should be expected to endure. That some of the most vicious attacks came from the self-identified left only highlights the hypocrisy of the demands on her to serve them. They destroyed her politically. You would think that would be enough.

[treestar]

52. then what should she be doing?

[eniwetok]

59. she should be educating the public

For one thing, HRC should be on every talk show she can get on educating Trump voters they've been had... and what a radical agenda he and his henchmen are planning for the nation.

[treestar]

62. Can she have more time?

Why should she be doing it now? Maybe it would be better timed to wait, in that just having lost, that kind of thing would only get more mud thrown at her, the sore loser shit and all that. I doubt people who are gloating about the victory are going to agree to be educated by Hillary on anything, especially right now.

An I told you so sort of tour could be viable once things start going bad. At that point Obama would be out of office and eligible too.

[eniwetok]

108. if she won what kind of break would she have?

In politics if one's not on the offensive 24/7... one is losing ground. If Hillary had become president elect what kind of break do you think she would have during the transition period. It's 7 weeks since the election. Break time is over. She for a start she need to be educating Trump voters how they're going to be shafted, and rallying the Dems to oppose the cabinet picks.

[treestar]

130. I'm not talking about that kind of break

but more in the sense it might not be effective at this point because then she'd be painted as sore loser, especially for directly stating Orange Ass is doing anything wrong.

It might be more effective after he takes office where she could talk about what she'd be doing and how it would be better than what he is doing. Having won the popular vote, that might have some effect.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

182. I see your point... it's a good one.

[BainsBane]

69. Now we get to the heart of it

It's not about stopping Trump's legislative agenda but appearing on TV.

[SunSeeker]

98. Exactly. nt

[Ilsa]

187. It's too early. They won't believe her message

Until it hits them personally. And if they thought ill of her before, that won't change just because trump is hurting them.

She doesn't owe anyone squat.

[TonyPDX]

13. Why not? If Trump can get so much mileage from Twitter, why wouldn't she?

[Hekate]

157. You do know he looks like a petulant fool on Twitter, right?

[Equinox Moon]

25. She is a citizen that can help lead the resistance.

If you believe that the only leaders are ones that hold elected office, you are DEAD WRONG!

Oh yeah, Martin Luther King for one.

[Captain Stern]

8. Or what? What if she doesn't?

What if she decides that several decades of public service is enough?

I certainly wouldn't fault her for that. I don't feel like she owes me, the Democratic Party, or the country, anything at all.

[DURHAM D]

11. Obviously the OPer feels entitled to her service. nt

[eniwetok]

15. who better has the right to take on Trump?

Yes, she does have the right to retire if she chooses. But she wasn't prepared to retire when she ran for president and there's no rule that someone who loses an election must retire from public life.

But who better has the moral right to help organize the fight against Trump than the person who DEFEATED Trump?

Are you suggesting the Democratic Party's legacy of programs isn't at stake? Are you suggesting it's not an emergency and Dems shouldn't bother using every tool for resistance they have?

[TonyPDX]

42. Exactly. What was more important? The title President, or what that stage would have

allowed her to accomplish for the country? She can still do much to advance the issues that were so important to her as a candidate. Or she can remain silent while Trump demolishes the programs and issues she claimed to care about.

[Yurovsky]

180. I don't think she'll remain silent...

Just not sure how effective she can be. We'll see one way or the other...

[radical noodle]

46. She needs to pick her battles

Not just come out willy-nilly against all things Trump. I think many of her supporters took umbrage with your tone in the OP, not the basic meaning. We all want to see her out working for the party again, but she has a life like the rest of us. When you demand that she does something it hits some women hard because we are totally tired of being given orders in that tone.

[treestar]

20. Really

This. I mean geez, it's not like we can't participate ourselves. It seems the grass roots have been completely given up on. We need a leader and can't do a thing unless one steps up.

[jmg257]

16. Woo - "Hillary 2020"

Otherwise, it seems Hillary has left the building.

[BainsBane]

66. You're obviously not on her mailing list

But I get it. If something isn't not on TV, it doesn't exist.

[Chakaconcarne]

24. She has kind of disappeared from public view....

Maybe that's the right thing for now...maybe not.. I get the op's suggestion.... not so much the nit picking comments... we need someone out there early to start this fight... who shall it be? Will it be Hillary? Who knows.

Would trump and the GOP have laid low if the tides were turned? I don't think so..

[WhiteTara]

30. You do know "they" have reopened

the email case in court. She may have her hands full.

[SunSeeker]

104. What "email case"?! There is no email case. Never was.

Hillary's use of a private server was not illegal and she was never under criminal investigation for it. Nor was she ever named in any "email case." What was reopened recently was one of the many FOIA cases brought by right wing legal terrorist Judicial Watch. It is a civil case claiming the US did not sufficiently comply with Judicial Watch's public records request. The defendant in the case is the US government (State Department).

[George II]

112. The funny thing is that while the State Department server was hacked more than once.....

....hers was never hacked.

[SunSeeker]

117. Yep. And no emails deemed classified at the time they were sent were on her server. None.

They only found a few out the the tens of thousands they reviewed, that in their review they decided to reclassify as secret because they mentioned the word "drone." But as Hillary said, that was overclassification run amok. All of those emails were simply forwarding publicly available information, such as newspaper articles. It was a fucking faux scandal yet the press breathlessly treated it like it was a high crime. Then Comey sealed it with his bullshit, Hatch Act violating, cryptic letters.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that so many on DU -- let alone the general population - have a total misunderstanding of the email issue.

[former9thward]

194. Unless you were doing the hacking you don't know that.

Hackers are not required to leave a calling card saying "Hey, we hacked you!"

[bowens43]

33. IMO her presence would do more harm than good.

her time is over, she needs to step back and let the party recover from what she and the DNC have done to us.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

83. The election was STOLEN. Trump/Putin is a traitor, Hillary is a patriot. Whose presence does harm?

Hillary is a patriot, Trump/Putin conspired with the enemy. I am one of "us" & put the blame squarely on the Putin/Trump attack on the USA. Hillary played by the rules and abided by the laws of this country. Trump sought and/or was groomed by Russia. Putin/Trump "won" and Hillary "lost"?!?! What harm did she do to us? I'm at a loss - We did not lose - The election was STOLEN.

[Equinox Moon]

35. Thank you 'eniwetok' for this post!

I am in complete agreement.

I hope Hillary is working on her plan to help lead the resistance. I realize it is a huge shift from almost being the US Prez., so let's give her a minute.

Yet my contention is that I will never understand why she did not fight the vote count. Jill was successful in flushing up some massive issues and votes NOT COUNTED. VOTES NOT COUNTED!!! They pushed Jill aside, but they would not have if it was HRC. So unfortunate she did not fight then. If it had been in the reverse, bully-man would have had multiple lawsuits for HAND re-counts.

[brutus smith]

48. Same thing happened with Gore in 2000. Just gave up.

[lapucelle]

60. Becoming a full time poweful and influential environmental activist is not giving up,

at least not according to the Nobel committee.

What did you expect Gore to do? Meaninglessly grandstand about his entitlement like the spoiler Nader?

[brutus smith]

76. He gave

Up the fight for President. All that was needed was 1 Senator to object. He could have done a lot more as President.

[lapucelle]

89. Are you arguing that Hillary should be challenging Trump for the office of president?

Gore did what he thought was best for the country, given the imminent constitutional crisis that his fight would create. Not all politicians are driven by entitlement and self interest.

The BoBs and the lazy no shows were warned that we would have a replay of 2000 if they didn't do the right thing on election day. That's why Michael Moore (a Naderite in 2000) begged them to vote for Hillary. Had they listened, they would have been the heroes of 2016, and Sanders would now be a very powerful man rather than someone with a vague job in junior leadership.

[George II]

148. He had no recourse once the Supreme Court ruled against him. Should he have gone...

...to the World Court?

[HoneyBadger]

37. It is weird considering how active most of the other candidates have been since the election

Though Gary Johnson did retire from politics to concentrate on jogging.

[jodymarie aimee]

44. eni is absolutely right

this was no "we lost to McCain or Romney" election.This is a whole 'nother animal. He will kill us all. We need our best and that includes our candidate to resist. The folks on here crabbing back and forth about eni attacking HRC or women or people with yellow hair are displaying real unity, eh? And childish to boot. This resistance is going to need adults, let's act accordingly.

[Laf.La.Dem.]

45. Thank you for posting!!

Sad to say – some individuals respond to a post without actually reading all the post!!

[Fast Walker 52]

47. On the "Between two ferns" show she did say if she lost, she would fight Trump to keep him from

wrecking the country.

[eniwetok]

57. 2:40 into the interview

Thanks for that.

I hope she doesn't go back on her word. But I suspect there's some unwritten rule in the US that the election "loser" fade from view as part of the "peaceful transition of power".

F*ck that!

[Fast Walker 52]

132. this time, it's VERY different! Fuck that indeed.

[HoneyBadger]

127. That was a great interview

Loved the "pamphlets" response. Not sure that I would consider it binding.

[JHan]

50. You used strong language but I don't get why this could be interpreted as an attack against her..

I think she's waiting until after inauguration. There's a lot going on in the news right now.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind if she jetted off to an island somewhere and sipped mai-tais for the rest of her days, but she did say on betweentwoferns that if Trump won she'll fight whatever rubbish he does.

[seaglass]

53. Yeah, when the focus is on Trump and the Russians it makes so much sense to change the topic

back to Hillary and play into Trump's tiny hands.

She is absolutely doing the right thing in remaining low key.

[BainsBane]

61. The animosity toward Clinton has become muscle memory

After years of attacking her and seeking to banish her from US politics, they now turn to blaming her for not fighting Trump before he even takes office. You would think they'd be happy that she is finally defeated. But instead we see that attacking her endures, almost as though her detractors are lost without Clinton to scapegoat.

Meanwhile, their elected officials and supposed heroes get a pass, while public statements expressing eagerness to work with him are justified.

[mcar]

100. Yup. Amazing, isn't it?

[Hekate]

153. Spot on, BB. HRC "owes" them? What, to be their punching bag forever?

[stopbush]

54. "Get your ass out there?" Seriously"

Just how demeaning do you want to be? That phrase is a pharae that one uses against idlers, as in, "get your ass in there and clean your room."

Your lack of respect for Hillary and everything she has done and tried to do for this country is disgusting.

[bettyellen]

86. THIS

[SunSeeker]

106. +1

[sheshe2]

139. +1000

[Hekate]

154. +1001

[NastyRiffraff]

161. EXACTLY!

Thanks, stopbush.

Geez, the nerve of people who think they have a right to school Hillary Clinton on how to behave. Oh, right, she's a woman and should be used to that. Yes, I AM saying the OP and others here are sexist. Very sexist.

I still have my Woman Card and wear it proudly.

[BainsBane]

55. By fight

I am guessing you mean appear on television, since she has no power, less than a freshman congressman.

The fight against Trump needs to focus on congress and depends on citizens pressuring them.

[treestar]

65. Exactly

Congress has to think that if they repeal the ACA, etc., they will lose a lot of votes and possibly lose their seats. The Democrats there have to be supported rather than blamed for being in the minority.

[femmocrat]

63. It is time for someone else to lead this battle.

Hillary has earned a well-deserved break from it all. She can come back on her own terms, if and when she wants to. No pressure!!!

New leadership will emerge and we need to keep the pressure on them!

[eniwetok]

70. Was she running to be president to "take a break"?

She was ready to take on the hardest job in the world for four years... but she needs a break for NOT getting that job?

[femmocrat]

92. It's called empathy.

She needs time to reflect, collect herself, decide what direction she wants to take. If she had won, she would have a tremendous sense of purpose and surge of excitement and enthusiasm. With that so cruelly taken away from her, it will take a little time to regroup.

Put yourself in her pumps and consider her feelings. If she decides to disappear from public life for awhile or forever, it is her right. She campaigned her heart out and fought like a warrior. She doesn't owe us anything now.

Like I said, it is time for others to step up.

[Thinkingabout]

64. The Clintons have raised money over the years for down ticket candidates, she has stumped for

candidates, she has worked on getting DNC platform items passed, it is time for all to realize the contributions the Clintons have made to the DNC and stop complaining about them not working enough.

[femmocrat]

93. + 1000 nt

[Calista241]

68. And say what?

The electoral college has voted. That's it, game over, Trump will be President.

There's no ability, no mechanism to have the election declared invalid, or to have a revote. Repubs would just say it's sour grapes, and they'd probably be right.

We need to go balls out and fight the appointment of Scott Pruitt as EPA Administrator. Al Gore hasn't said anything since his meeting with Trump before the appointment of Pruitt. That leads me to believe that Trump is not going to really support Pruitt during the nomination process, and we need to flip 3 Repubs to block him.

[RussBLib]

71. she did say, in her concession speech, that she would never quit fighting for us

What I am wondering is, when will she start fighting again?

[Tatiana]

73. You actually have a point. Hillary has a purpose. Perhaps it is not the one we originally thought.

I can't imagine what she must be feeling and going through right now.

But I am a person of faith. I do believe there is an important purpose and destiny beyond her candidacy for the Presidency.

Right now she probably needs time to process everything that's happened. It's a tough thing losing to the worst candidate in American history -- no one knows how she must be castigating herself right now. It's appropriate to take some time to reflect.

However, a majority of Americans did, indeed, vote for her. She can help lead the resistance and, I believe, win over those who voted simply to oppose her in a way that the rest of us can't. She can show the world why she was the better candidate and why the policies she advocated are better for the country than Trump's Government by the Wealthy, for the Wealthy.

[HassleCat]

77. She needs a break.

She just lost the presidency. How would you feel? She'll be back.

[George II]

82. Where do you come off posting something ORDERING Hillary Clinton to do something?

How do you know what she has or hasn't done? How do you know how she felt and feels after this election? What's this stuff about her "retiring to Long Island"?

How do you know anything about her post-election activities? Do you have her personal calendar?

So, with all that said and done, I don't expect any answers to the questions above, but the one below...

What have YOU done "to fight the what may be the most important battle of your life"?

[vi5]

85. Oh good....

I'm sure this will open up a nuanced discussion with the people who spent months saying some variations on the assurances that Hillary was a fierce fighter for progressive values and ready to lead and ready to be president and had the stamina and strength and that it wasn't about her it was about fighting for the goals of the Democratic party but who are now saying "Oh she's tired. She's earned a break."

I don't even know how HIllary is going to move forward or what her plans are, but whether she actually gets involved in this horribly difficult fight we all have ahead of us or if she just chooses to cash in her chips and walk away will be very telling with regard to her priorities and motivation.

I do hope she chooses to join us in this fight and use her considerable clout.

[Skittles]

143. she cannot do anything without activating Hilary Hatred hysteria

heck, according to you she can do NOTHING and STILL be reviled.

[vi5]

159. Yes. Exactly what I said.

I love it when replies to my posts prove exactly the point I was trying to make. Seems to happen on here on a daily basis after this election.

[Skittles]

168. you're welcome!

[SidDithers]

87. Hell no...

Hillary doesn't owe you, or anyone, anything.

The country, particularly white Rust Belt voters, rejected her in favour of a racist, misogynistic orange baboon.

She should flip a double bird to the ignorant fucksticks who elected Trump, and then go and drink umbrella drinks on a beach for a good, long time. Once she's ready, she should do global good works with the Clinton Foundation and spend time being a grandmother.

After the way she was treated by the media, politicians and citizens of America, she should wash her hands of the entire mess.

Sid

[mcar]

110. Well said!

[tammywammy]

118. +1

[SunSeeker]

119. +2

[eniwetok]

120. all votes are cumulative

I sometimes can't believe how irrational some DUers are. So because of 70k people you assume were white rust belt workers... even is she won 3 million more votes, you're willing to say f*ck the Democratic legacy...

So pray tell Einstein... since when was ANY one group responsible for winning an election when ALL votes are cumulative? Bad example... it's like saying there's a winning home run when if not for all the runs before it, it would not win. ALL the votes matters... just a much as all those who didn't vote. So why isn't the Dem get out the vote machine to blame? Why not GOP voter suppression? Why not Dems who sat the election out?

Your choice of who to blame says more about you than the election... and your entire strategy for going forward depends on your flawed if not laughably simplistic analysis.

[Cha]

170. But, she won't.. that's not Hillary. She'll come out

fighting when she's ready not when some clueless poster on the internet makes a big show of telling her to "get off her ass".

[brer cat]

177. Thank you, Sid.

Well said!

[LuvLoogie]

95. Hillary Clinton gets more done for this country on a walk through the woods than most

do their whole lives.

What really gets me about this bullshit post is that Hillary has been taking up the cause her entire life. In the face of vehement and vile opposition from the Right and the Left--and unfair treatment in the media--she has taken up the cause.

[In_The_Wind]

107. hmmm

[nini]

103. Why? Wasn't she the worst thing to ever happen to the Democratic party?

[NCTraveler]

114. Weak and pathetic.

You should have been lecturing our Trump loving Bernie Bros to fight months ago.

[SidDithers]

125. GFYS is "Go Fuck Your Self". That doesn't get hidden??...

Sid

[SticksnStones]

128. I've been on two juries for posts from the same writer here at DU

No slams are being hidden. It's back to the same kind of bashing of dems and fellow posters seen here during the primaries.

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

[SidDithers]

129. Yup. Can't say I disagree...

Sid

[BainsBane]

131. Indeed.

[Hekate]

142. Interesting. Well, I'm doing my little bit.

What a crappy OP as well.

[George II]

133. You tell NCTraveler to "GFYS" and then complain about faux personal attacks?

Since we're using acronyms, GMAFB.

[Cha]

160. All you have are insults.. come back when you can stop

personally attacking all over the place.

[aikoaiko]

124. As Democrat and Bernie supporter, I think we should let her be.

OPs like this, even though I agree with you and think it was well-intentioned, only keeps us stuck in the primary wars.

And more than anything we need to move beyond that.

[LiberalLovinLug]

126. I fully understand your question but...

Don't you think its also a matter of political optics?

She is seen, for fair or unfair reasons, as a 'loser'. There is a knee jerk reaction by society of undervaluing the runner up's opinion. It may even be regarded as sour grapes. There is a danger that the MSM, and especially Fox News and wingnut radio would use that angle as a way to obfuscate the actual intent of her actions and so taint the whole process.

I'm sure she will slowly get back to work and I also predict she will gain back public approval ratings. And I am speaking as an ardent Bernie supporter.

[George II]

137. And if she was out making public appearances now, they'll all* be whining....

...."when is she going to let it go?"

*all being republicans and many democrats who never liked her much.

[JCinNYC]

140. oh my

"Shit Stirrer - aisle Three"
What exactly have you done to contribute to the greater good over your life that you'd like to compare to hers?

Something about a "beam in thine own eye" might be relevant for your research on this topic.

[Red Mountain]

141. I'd like to see her stand up

or make a public statement that she is retiring from public life.

I didn't just vote for her to lead the country I voted for her to lead our party.

Right now I think she's shirking her responsibility to those who fought for her.

No shame in not wanting to continue......just let us know so we can move on.

[Hekate]

144. She already climbed up on the cross for you. You want she should hold the nails for you as well?

Thirty years and more of public service in the face of continuous RW lies and smears, only this time around the LW joined in to spread the same lies and more. And she still won the actual vote, as you noted.

GMAFB. How about we thank her for her lifetime of service and leave her the fck alone to heal in her own time and decide what she wants to do next. She "owes" us NOTHING. She has given us all that she has.

[brer cat]

178. Well said, Hekate! nt

[TheFrenchRazor]

145. wouldn't count her out yet. nt

[Squinch]

150. She did her part. What are you doing to do your part?

[0rganism]

152. none have fought harder or lost more in the battle so far than Hillary

as much as the visage of an incoming Trump administration hurts us all, think how much more it hurts her. she was the one who stood against him three times on the debate stage. she was the one who campaigned on "going high when they go low". she was the one betrayed by James Comey and the FBI. she was the person who had to concede to pussygrabber Trump. no one else has gone through what she had to endure, the long days campaigning, the disappointment, the humiliation, the shame of losing to one far less qualified.

i, for one, don't begrudge her any time she might take now to relax and/or put her legal affairs in order (i hear some GOP mollusks have more email-related court proceedings in progress).

apparently 17% of the people who voted for her believe she and John Podesta ran a child sex ring from a D.C. pizza parlor. if a full third of Americans falsely believed you were running a child sex racket, how eager would you be to jump into the ring on your nation's behalf?

maybe it's time for her to step back and let others fight the culture wars for a bit. maybe she can return when her name is cleared and the people understand what they've lost. right now, her reputation is tainted and could actually be counterproductive to our desperate cause.

[HoneyBadger]

155. I believe that her campaign still has something on the order of $150 million remaining

She could obviously do many things with that. One would be to fly around the country campaigning for downticket Democrats that are exposed in 2018. I suspect that they could use the support.

http://fortune.com/2016/10/28/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-campaign-fundraising/

[rbrnmw]

162. She can't exactly storm the podium

What exactly would you have her do? She has been fighting for us, her entire adult life. SMDH

[Lil Missy]

176. Thanks for your concern. n/t

[Hekate]

181. I know; they are sooooo concerned

[Laura PourMeADrink]

179. bravo! you said it perfectly. don't let

All the lemmings get you down. Same people who instantly trash any kind of critical thinking and pounce when you question anything on our side. They are the same group who mocked people who wanted to discuss poll trends..the same who called any of us concerned. Haven't heard a single one apologize

[George II]

185. What is "our side"?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

188. our side liberal dem anti-hate anti-war

Anti-bigotry for all those who can not help themselves.

[George II]

190. Who gets to define and then choose the "side"?

[Cha]

186. No, he didn't say it perfectly.. all he has are insults and

that's what you're doing, too.

That's what we're objecting to.. We know Hillary will be back out there when she is ready.. we know who she is.

[George II]

189. Well, you know how we "lemmings" are, don't you know!!!

[Cha]

191. Oh yes... we're such "lemmings"! Little miss free

spirit here.



George

[betsuni]

192. Lemmings?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

196. I apologize for that - just can't think of

Another word to describe a real phenomenon that happens here - more and more over the years. Every time anyone posts something with the slightest hint of critique they immediately get pounced by the vast majority. Just look at how this op was treated when expressing their frustration about Hillary. It is their opinion. Why not discuss respectfully if there is anything she could or shouldn't do.

The election was chock full of other examples. Are we here just to agree with the majority? Why do people want to pounce in unison to sqwelch any kind of analysis? I recall a post suggesting that Mook might not be experienced and savvy enough to handle the likes of trump. It was met with mostly "how dare yous" Yet postmortems have said if Carville and Begala had run the campaign she would have won. Any post that cited the poll trends and noted they should concentrate solely on dark and light blues was met with "they know what they are doing"...yet those are the ones she ultimately lost.

Bottom line...think our combined knowledge and intelligence could be a powerful force if people would just allow respectful analysis.

[pbmus]

184. Hillary is still my President and always will be...

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[betsuni]

193. "Get your ass out there"?

Hillary better help Bernie and Liz save America and not be licking her wounds or be tired out in Long Island?

Yet another Hillary-bashing post thinly disguised as concern or some sort of "advice."

[George II]

197. Not only that but she lives NORTH of NYC, not east of NYC.

Shows how much thought was put into that rant.

[Motown_Johnny]

195. This is actually a pretty good test of her character.

If she does get back in the game to fight for Progressive ideals then she will prove ( to me at least ) that she was not running for President just so she could have a place in history.

If she retires and lets the country deal with the fallout from her loss, then she proves ( to me at least ) that her motivations for becoming President were entirely self serving.


Time will tell.

[dembotoz]

200. sorry say you post and could only think of the scene from trading places

where the rich now poor guys wants their trader to undo their loses

[Afromania]

203. OP is right

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The potential damage these people could do to this country, and the planet, wil potentially be insurmountable as we hurdle towards climate and energy catastrophe. Hillary may not be president but she could put a stamp on history as indelible as anything she could have done as president. I mean she could be the savior of the republic. History would never forget at least. However, with all of the crap she put up with Hillary is entitled to ride off in the sunset if she wishes.