Please stop saying the votes of California are superfluous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

It's a right wing trope.


Carry on...

[MFM008]

1. what manner of idiot besides a maggot voter

would believe that?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Please check your inbox/nt

[panader0]

3. Next election let's start the voting in the west and move east.

[Bettie]

4. They certainly aren't.

And we need to address the fact that a vote in a small state is worth many times more than a vote in a larger population state.

May mean increasing the numbers in the HOR or going to one human one vote.

[edhopper]

5. I'd hope we wouldn't

hear that here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Please check your inbox/nt

[edhopper]

20. got it

I see that post was removed. As it should have been.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Was also factually incorrect...

Last edited Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:22 PM - Edit history (1)

We won twenty states. We won the pop vote by 3,000,000 while losing the E C by 80,000 votes. To our eternal detriment Trump pulled the electoral equivalent of a Royal Flush. Everything broke right for him.

[edhopper]

26. well when the dealer

is passing you cards by suppressing the vote, hacking your opponent and announcing email bullshit a week before the election

[BlueCaliDem]

57. Exactly. eom

[LenaBaby61]

29. DemocratSinceBirth .....

"We won twenty states. We won the pop vote by 3,000,000 while losing the E C by 80,000 votes. To our eternal detriment Trump pulled the electoral equivalent of a Royal Flush. Everything broke right for him."

You mean, everything was cyber-hacked and interfered with just enough for him to win the GE .....

[Ford_Prefect]

38. They did it to get W in. They did it to keep Wisconsin and Ohio. Why wouldn't they do it again?

You mean, everything was cyber-hacked and interfered with just enough for him to win the GE .....

[brush]

56. We have to wage a determined and sustained effort to fix or preferrably get rid of the EC

We need no relic of slavery that still continues to favor right wing states deciding who wins the presidency.

It's got to be a grassroots effort because the repugs sure aren't going to initiate it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

59. Popular vote is called the "vote" everywhere but here.

[ehrnst]

7. And apparently a left wing trope for those who think that the Democratic Party

has "lost it's way."

[NobodyHere]

8. Well we aren't going to win the senate or presidency

by gaining a million votes in California and losing a million votes in the midwest.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. America sure loves our food, technology, entertainment, and tax receipts

I could start crapping on Red America and saying they are the superfluous ones but then I would be guilty of the prejudice I decry.

[NobodyHere]

32. Not sure why you're hostile to simple math

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. How am I hostile to simple math?

A vote in Van Nuys should be worth as much as vote in Grosse Point as a vote in Murfreesboro, and so on and so forth.

[NobodyHere]

55. Well I'm not saying the system is perfect

But it is the system we have. Getting more votes in California won't help us with presidential elections or the senate.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. I have an idea... why not encourage Californians and New Yorkers to move to states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida where their votes would count for a helluvalot more?!

Just a thought.

[OnionPatch]

82. We'll probably be moving to Virginia

from California this spring. If so, we'll be bringing three blue votes to Virginia, although they did go blue this time, didn't they? Hopefully we can help keep them blue.

Some friends and I were talking about the idea of organizing liberals from places like California to move to swing states. We could start a group kind of like the New England Emigrant Aid Company. 😀https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Emigrant_Aid_Company

[pnwmom]

40. We gained a comparable amount in the blue east coast

but no one ever adds those votes together because they're scattered over a number of separate states.

CA loses both in the Electoral College and the Senate because it is such a heavily populated state but only has 2 Senators -- the same number as Utah or Vermont.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Yeah, but the midwest likes West coast ideas more than it does east coast ones.

we are the future.

[NobodyHere]

54. What exactly are "west coast ideas" vs "east coast ideas"?

And how do you know the midwest likes them more?

[Warren DeMontague]

65. Well, the beltway is only starting to realize they can't treat legal pot like a giant har har joke

for one.

And poll after poll shows that the American people support it, in increasing numbers.

So on one hand you have "leaders" like DWS, who goes to the Times in the middle of an election season and doubles down on reefer madness, or Gov. Malloy of CT who has an absolute fucking temper tantrum over Mass. legalizing pot (and before you go "aha- but the east coast is legalizing too!": look at the difference between how Oregon's legislature handled the passage of legalization, and the foot-dragging they're doing right now in Boston) .. compare that to someone like, say, Gavin Newsom.

The West Coast has been ahead of the curve on all sorts of matters. And there are 50 million of us out here in reliably blue states. Why the fuck are we never represented on the Presidential ticket, etc?

[dflprincess]

78. Not so fast

there was an article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune in the last year or so examining political leanings in the state and it concluded that Minnesota is more closely aligned to New England and eastern New York in its political views than to the rest of the midwest or other region of the country. (Though after the Republican take over of our legislature in November, I'm not so sure.)

The theory for this is that the largest group of "immigrants" to the state when it was settled was not from other countries but from New England and from families that had been in New England for generations (this would certainly be true of my paternal grandfather's family). These people held on to their "New England views" and passed them on to other immigrants and to their descendants.

[Docreed2003]

9. How easy some will jump on RW talking points...

When I hear "Well Clinton's majority only counts because of California..", my immediate response is "Why arbitrarily pick California? Why not Texas, Florida, etc". Because the right has no love for solid blue states other than for their financial resources. Their citizens are view as less American and, as such, their votes are easily dismissed. Infuriating and should be reported on if brought up as a serious talking point

[aikoaiko]

10. They have meaning.

Just not in terms of winning the Presidency.

[pnwmom]

41. By your measure, no Democrat's vote has meaning

beyond the 50% +1 needed to win a blues state's electoral college vote.

And no vote of a Democrat in a red state has meaning, either.

CA's votes, even though they are tabulated last, have just as much meaning as any other votes in blue states.

[aikoaiko]

45. Exactly. They don't mean a whole lot in terms of winning the presidency

Which is why I talk about 3 million more votes. It could be 30 million and they don't matter.

[pnwmom]

47. But why single out CA? The same thing is true for EVERY Democratic voter

in every blue state once the 50% has been achieved -- plus every Democratic voter in a red state.

[ismnotwasm]

11. What the hell?

Who says crap like that besides Ted Nugent?

[tammywammy]

12. I'd hope such ignorance isn't being pushed here.

[charlyvi]

14. The lefties saying this are probably the same ones that said

the South's votes shouldn't matter in the primaries. Idiots all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Well, we know why they want to dismiss southern primary votes.

[mountain grammy]

16. lefties? Aren't we all?

This is right wing bull..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Yes, we are all proud members of the left.

But saying Democratic votes from wherever they come from are superfluous is a noxious sentiment and sadly I have seen it here.

[mountain grammy]

28. I was just re reading your excellent

post on suburban/urban living from 12/17. That's what I got when I searched for California superfluous votes, and glad to see it again. I love that post. I feel the same way about Denver and the surrounding area. I live 100 miles outside of Denver, and have decided to move back to the city for all the reasons you said.

Yes, I agree, saying Dem votes are superfluous is a noxious, right wing sentiment. I hear it from the whiny Republicans around me because our district includes Boulder, so we get a Democratic Congressman and State Senator. Drives the local haters crazy, always whining about the stinking Boulder libruls, the people's republic of Boulder, etc. The most prosperous city in the state, mind you, and how their votes shouldn't count in our county.. sorry republicans, no gerrymandering in CO, yet!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. Do you have a link? I don't remember that thread.

Thank you. There are a lot of really great writers on this board. It makes me envious.

[mountain grammy]

68. Me too. I put my foot in my mouth constantly

it's a battle. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028374532

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. "Our economy is twice as large as that of Trump's pal, Russia..."

Shame they are leading Trump around by the nose.

Like their predecessor the Soviet Union, which was infinitely more powerful, Russia can only defeat us from within. I am afraid that is what is happening.

[mountain grammy]

70. That was such a good thread

I just finished reading it again...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. Thank you. Happy New Year.

[mountain grammy]

73. Happy New Year to you too.

[charlyvi]

25. I didn't say we weren't all lefties.

Learn how to read. "The lefties saying this" doesn't mean all lefties are saying this.

[mountain grammy]

30. Happy New Year..

[charlyvi]

50. I would wish you the same

though you might deem it right wing bullshit.

[mountain grammy]

53. Not really. I meant it sincerely.

sorry I misread your post, but I do know how to read.

[demmiblue]

17. Huh? I have never seen that here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Please check your inbox/nt

[demmiblue]

23. I can't because you are blocked.

You are more than welcome to post the evidence here, though.

I am guessing it is probably some gossip about one person who said something out of the hundreds and/or thousands that post here.


Edit: I see from above that it was one person who ultimately had their post removed. Rightfully so. Just stop the drama, please.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. It is a violation of DU rules to call out individual posters.

demmiblue
23. I can't because you are blocked.
View profile
You are more than welcome to post the evidence here, though.

I am guessing it is probably some gossip about one person who said something out of the hundreds and/or thousands that post here.

I just linked the post with the quote verbatim. That is the antithesis of gossip:

gos·sip
ˈɡäsəp/
noun
1.
casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.
"he became the subject of much local gossip"
synonyms: rumor(s), tittle-tattle, whispers, canards, tidbits; More
verb
1.
engage in gossip.
"they would start gossiping about her as soon as she left"
synonyms: spread rumors, spread gossip, talk, whisper, tell tales, tittle-tattle, tattle; informaldish the dirt
"she gossiped about Dean's wife"

In fact if you doubt my veracity you can ask Ed Hopper or MFN008 to share the verbatim quote I sent to them without comment.





I will take Michelle Obama's advice to go high when others go low and not respond to your personal attack on me.


Happy New Year.

[demmiblue]

31. Starting flamebait which makes it seem like a plethora of DUers are being arseholes...

is the epitome of going low. Spreading that false news through pm's is even worse.

DemocratSinceBirth
27. It is a violation of DU rules to call out individual posters.

View profile
I just linked the post.

demmiblue
23. I can't because you are blocked.
View profile
You are more than welcome to post the evidence here, though.

I am guessing it is probably some gossip about one person who said something out of the hundreds and/or thousands that post here.




I will take Michelle Obama's advice to go high when others go low and not respond to your personal attack on me.


Happy New Year.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I will continue to go high when others go low and not respond in kind ...

I will continue to go high when others go low and not respond in kind to petty, puerile, personal, and pusillanimous attacks. I consider such attacks to be deplorable and to be eschewed by all good people.

Happy New Year.

[pnwmom]

43. It's a common meme around here, that Hillary's popular vote win was solely due to CA.

I responded to that with an OP that explained that the same logic says that DT's EC win was solely due to Texas's 38 EC votes.

[pintobean]

44. +1 Lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8386949

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. All my fans are in this thread. I love them all...

Keeps my threads on top of the board.

Let the record show who responded to whom.

Happy New Year (REDUX)





P.S. It is ironic that only two posters in this thread are talking about me while the other two dozen are talking about the contents. Some folk just love DSB a lil too much !!!

[SlimJimmy]

49. Are you sure it's "not" Nadin?

[pintobean]

51. No

I haven't seen anything crunchy yet, though.

[SlimJimmy]

52. That's so true. No crunchies.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Inside jokes.

Junior high school beckons.

[pintobean]

64. There's nothing inside about it

It was all very public. There was no "check your in box" and PMing about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Some posters come here to discuss the issues and some posters come here to discuss other posters.

Do you think the former or the latter comes closest to fulfilling Skinner's mission for the board and which behavior strikes you as puerile, pusillanimous, and petty?

Thank you in advance.


Three posters in this thread came to discuss other posters. The other thirty came to discuss the issues. Which group do you think comes closest to fulfilling Skinner's mission for this board ?

Thank you in advance (REDUX)

Happy New Year.

[pintobean]

71. You admitted up thread that this is a call-out thread.

You're hilarious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8419270

It's also hilarious to watch the edit histories. Only 6 for post 66.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. I didn't call anybody out in this thread.

You admitted up thread that this is a call-out thread.

You're hilarious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8419270

It's also hilarious to watch the edit histories. Only 6 for post 66

-pintobean

I didn't call anybody out in this thread. Your compadre challenged my veracity and I supplied proof. You still haven't answered my question, pintobean. It bears repeating:

Some posters come here to discuss the issues and some posters come here to discuss other posters.

Do you think the former or the latter comes closest to fulfilling Skinner's mission for the board and which behavior strikes you as puerile, pusillanimous, and petty?

Thank you in advance.


Three posters in this thread came to discuss other posters. The other thirty came to discuss the issues. Which group do you think comes closest to fulfilling Skinner's mission for this board ?

Thank you in advance (REDUX)


Oh, Happy New Year.






P.S. Since you like to count edits I have an edit.

Why do you think people use the anonymity of the internet to disrespect, denigrate, and dehumanize strangers?

Do you think pusillanimity could be at its core?

Oh, my dutiful fans always check the permalink .


Wow, pintobean, I'm giving you a book.

PERMALINK!

[pintobean]

75. tl;dr

8 edits and counting, though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. Sure you didn't.

MUAH


P.S. Don't forget to check the Permalink. Only my most dutiful fans do. They want to know all my thoughts.

[pintobean]

79. Where I come from, honesty is a virtue.

YMMV.

DU software brings up the permalink when one clicks on a reply in "my posts".
But, you knew that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. I don't have a clue, pintobean, what you are referring to.

I didn't know the function existed until I saw one poster mention it and I asked another poster how to use it.

But only my special fans, pintobean, take advantage of it. I'm flattered by your attention, I think.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. Who's not Nadin?

Would you agree it's pusillanimous behavior to trash people behind their back or in a forum where they can't respond and in fact it's deplorable behavior ?

[SlimJimmy]

83. I don't particularly care what you think or not. My comment was directed to Pinto Bean.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. You seem upset.

Here's a

[SlimJimmy]

85. I'm not upset at all. I just don't care what you think. (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Your posts say you aren't upset but they are belied by your words, Jimmy

Here's another

[SlimJimmy]

88. Thanks for the hug. But I still don't care.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. You posts indicate a bereft of hugs so here is another one.

You posts indicate a bereft of hugs so here is another and a

[SlimJimmy]

91. Thanks. One can never have enough hugs.

[iluvtennis]

21. Agreed. And as a Californian, I'm very disgusted that my vote is worth 1/4 of Wyoming vote. GAH

[Ford_Prefect]

24. The other tacit distortion is that the votes were COUNTED correctly elsewhere.

We do not know how many votes remained un-counted in Detroit, or were miscounted or adjusted by one actor or several in Waukesha county, or were tilted the other way in NC, FLA, Ohio and other GOP controlled states. For all we know similar majorities to those recorded in California were actually voted in predominantly Democratic precincts other states.

The evidence suggests that there were several modes of interference and not only by hacks. Ohio turned off the system that recorded and could verify the vote on their voting machines. A system which could also have protected them from outside interference.

...And then there are Crosscheck and other nasty methods used to dump the recorded registrations of millions of minority Democratic voters in a number of GOP controlled states. I heard it was as high as 5 million total but I can't confirm it. Where we know about it there were 350,000 to 500,000 or more in each instance.

The whining about "only California" is a diversion from the facts and the questions they raise. It is also an attempt to marginalize California voters as un-representative.

A 50,000 vote differential would be a regional bias. 3 million is 1/2 the votes counted in NC and several other states. The GOP mouthpieces lie knowingly when they disrespect the results. I'd like to see how they feel when 3 million people show up to surround the White House or the Capitol Building. We know how scared Nixon was when we marched around the Pentagon.

[LenaBaby61]

36. The other tacit distortion is that the votes were COUNTED correctly elsewhere.

Totally agree

[Demonaut]

33. very true...My right wing office mate tried to pull that one off...I said "you can't say that

that California is not part of the US just to fit your narrative"

[Warren DeMontague]

35. U need to remember that our Beltway party betters are only dimly aware of the West Coast's existence

and the 50 million people who live here.

Furthermore, it's synonymous in their minds with "fringey" things like marijuana legalization, internet pornography, and wearing cargo shorts to restaurants. All deeply upsetting and traumatizing to refined Eastern Puritan sensibilities.

Just shut up and vote every 4 years, that's the message. We'll let you know if we need anything else.

[47of74]

39. They and the Reich love to harp about all the big red areas

But they forget that most of the red areas arent as heavily populated.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. I think we're well overdue for some direction from the west coast

[hunter]

60. We're bigger than Russia

And our politics are more Byzantine and Machiavellian than anything these United States of America have ever experienced.

Plus, China and India with their deep, deep histories.

We can launch our own fucking satellites and Google and Apple and Facebook and many Amazon servers live here.

It scares the shit out of me, makes me want to retreat to the Canadian or Mexican wilderness.

Trump America is justifiably afraid.

[ailsagirl]

58. Or, worse, meaningless

[Kath2]

77. That is total BS.

Trying to give Trump legitimacy.

[mcar]

80. I seem to recall the votes of us Democrats in southern states

didn't count either, at least according to some.

[alarimer]

87. The surplus is irrelevant when it comes to the electoral college.

Which is the system we currently have and have to deal with. One more vote in California (or Texas) is not going to get more electoral votes as it currently stands. Now, if electoral votes were proportional to the popular vote, the picture changes all over the country.

[LWolf]

90. Okaaay.

Having never said that, nor ever heard anyone else say that, it will be simple and easy to honor your request.