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So how bad is Gorsuch? (Original Post) brettdale Jan 2017 OP
Seems he could be worse Roland99 Jan 2017 #1
NPR says well liked and respected marybourg Jan 2017 #2
So was Garland. woolldog Jan 2017 #15
Yes. I think it should be blocked marybourg Jan 2017 #21
... octoberlib Jan 2017 #3
If I were Trump and could resist the temptation to kill myself for the good of mankind, rzemanfl Jan 2017 #4
I'm guessing Pence picked him with input from Bannon and Miller. LonePirate Jan 2017 #5
Heritage recommendation. Big Blue Marble Jan 2017 #12
I hope he turns out to be another Souter Chipper Chat Jan 2017 #6
There is no way that will happen tgards79 Jan 2017 #7
It's all up to McTurtle. Chipper Chat Jan 2017 #10
I'd say count on it. WillowTree Jan 2017 #26
I had a huge crush on Souter shenmue Jan 2017 #9
The guy is a Neanderthal. Rustyeye77 Jan 2017 #8
Could have been much much worse...Pryor, nut-cake right wing sludge pile Frogg Jan 2017 #11
Pryor will be next oberliner Jan 2017 #13
Yes this is the strategy. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #18
Pryor would have been the fucking end, this is still awful given who should be there instead Amishman Jan 2017 #35
I trust that with the Con picking, there is nothing good here mvd Jan 2017 #14
He made a rational dissent in a burping case Montauk6 Jan 2017 #16
lol burping case TrekLuver Jan 2017 #19
CNN saying he's a great pick. nt jmg257 Jan 2017 #17
I say block him but vote for him if there is another opening. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #20
TYT just said his worst thing is that he is pro Corporations marlakay Jan 2017 #22
Few facts from an article at RS Jimbo101 Jan 2017 #23
She was the most corrupt EPA admin ever alarimer Jan 2017 #34
A picture is worth a thousand words frazzled Jan 2017 #24
I Question That Graphic ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #25
They constructed it from this academic study frazzled Jan 2017 #28
After Reading It, I Stand By What I Said ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #38
Even after you know that ... frazzled Feb 2017 #41
I'm Shattered ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #43
He was in Support of Hobby Lobby. FarPoint Jan 2017 #27
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2017 #40
I was hoping he wouldn't nominate this guy. Only 49 and a LittleBlue Jan 2017 #29
I expected it to be Pryor Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #30
Me too. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #32
He had a lot of Democratic support when confirmed in 2006, including from Senator Obama. MadDAsHell Jan 2017 #31
Pelosi called him a "hostile appointment" and "outside the mainstream" mvd Jan 2017 #33
He's an originalist, so the judicial version of LARPing Act 2 of Hamilton, w/o the good parts. politicat Jan 2017 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author octoberlib Jan 2017 #37
Hobby Lobby malaise Feb 2017 #39
He started a Fascist Forever club as a teenager csziggy Feb 2017 #42

marybourg

(12,584 posts)
21. Yes. I think it should be blocked
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:29 PM
Jan 2017

on the basis that the seat should be filled by a Democrat, since that's the party that was in office when the seat became vacant, and not even reach his particular qualifications.

rzemanfl

(29,553 posts)
4. If I were Trump and could resist the temptation to kill myself for the good of mankind,
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jan 2017

I would have appointed a certain African-American former President to the Supreme Court to sideline him.

LonePirate

(13,405 posts)
5. I'm guessing Pence picked him with input from Bannon and Miller.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jan 2017

So he's likely the typical anti-choice, bigoted, corporate-loving gundamentalist you would expect that unholy trinity could agree upon.

Frogg

(365 posts)
11. Could have been much much worse...Pryor, nut-cake right wing sludge pile
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:17 PM
Jan 2017

Gorsuch has never openly declared he is pro-life or choice but his record does have somevery concerning aspects regarding women and he is very conservative. Look for the silver lining! Read about Pryor! The repugs were pushing for him to receive the rose...that would have been catacylismic!

Amishman

(5,553 posts)
35. Pryor would have been the fucking end, this is still awful given who should be there instead
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 10:40 PM
Jan 2017

Pryor is a monster. Gorsuch is merely bad.

Vanilla deep conservative. Unfortunate but not apocalyptic. The tiny upside is his tendency to read laws and write rulings narrowly. Makes it harder to use rulings later on other matters.

mvd

(65,151 posts)
14. I trust that with the Con picking, there is nothing good here
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:19 PM
Jan 2017

Maybe more mild mannered, but a mild mannered Scalia type is still writing bad opinions.

Montauk6

(8,062 posts)
16. He made a rational dissent in a burping case
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jan 2017

August 4, 2016 (Fault Lines) — A 13-year-old middle school student in Albuquerque was arrested, suspended from school, and taken to juvie for being a class clown: burping and laughing in class in violation of New Mexico’s school disruption laws. When his parents sued the school and police for false arrest and violation of his constitutional rights, the federal courts were forced to side with officials and acknowledge their qualified immunity, as the arrest was legal, despite its pettiness

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That this was a kid doing something childish wasn’t lost on Judge Neil Gorsuch in dissent:

If a seventh grader starts trading fake burps for laughs in gym class, what’s a teacher to do? Order extra laps? Detention? A trip to the principal’s office? Maybe. But then again, maybe that’s too old school. Maybe today you call a police officer. And maybe today the officer decides that, instead of just escorting the now compliant thirteen year old to the principal’s office, an arrest would be a better idea. So out come the handcuffs and off goes the child to juvenile detention. My colleagues suggest the law permits exactly this option and they offer ninety-four pages explaining why they think that’s so. Respectfully, I remain unpersuaded.


From: http://mimesislaw.com/fault-lines/joanne-thu-policing-our-schools-kid-arrested-for-burping-in-class/11873
 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
20. I say block him but vote for him if there is another opening.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jan 2017

I don't care how good he is, the decision to deny Obama's nominee a vote means we should keep "our" seat open. If there is another opening then we go back to the old way on that one.

marlakay

(11,419 posts)
22. TYT just said his worst thing is that he is pro Corporations
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:31 PM
Jan 2017

that they didn't think he would overthrow Roe because he doesn't like to overthrow things already set up.

But he is religious and pro life and if anything religious came up, like Holly Hobby case he voted against the employees wanting birth control paid for by Obamacare.

Jimbo101

(776 posts)
23. Few facts from an article at RS
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:32 PM
Jan 2017
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/neil-gorsuch-facts-and-political-views/

1. He's a former classmate of Barack Obama.

2. His mother ran the EPA.

3. He is an opponent of assisted suicide and euthanasia

4. He has not yet ruled on abortion, but is likely against it.

5. He has supported term limits for Supreme Court justices

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
34. She was the most corrupt EPA admin ever
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 10:19 PM
Jan 2017

Had to resign because of scandal that I can't recall at the moment.

ProfessorGAC

(64,801 posts)
25. I Question That Graphic
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:42 PM
Jan 2017

Scalia is much too far from end of the right arrow
Just because he wasn't an avowed fascist doesn't mean he wasn't radical right

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
28. They constructed it from this academic study
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:50 PM
Jan 2017
http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/PresNominees2.pdf

Lee Epstein is the Ethan A.H. Shepley Distinguished University Professor at Washington University in St. Louis; Andrew D. Martin is the Dean of the College of Literature, Science, and the Arts and Professor of Political Science and Statistics at the University of Michigan; Kevin Quinn is Professor of Law at the University of California-Berkeley. We thank the National Science Foundation for supporting our work on the U.S. Supreme Court. Data and documentation for this analysis are at: http://epstein.wustl.edu/ research/PossibleTrumpJustices.html

ProfessorGAC

(64,801 posts)
38. After Reading It, I Stand By What I Said
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 06:19 AM
Feb 2017

The detail is mostly about new nominees, or possible ones. The single case cutline for existing justices can't be what they really did and Scalia is WAY to the right of Roberts & Alito
So, Gorsuch aside, the chart makes no sense so I don't really know where this guy lines up

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
41. Even after you know that ...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:12 AM
Feb 2017

this nominee founded and ran a "Fascism Forever" club? With all due apologies, I'll trust the Times before your opinion on the subject.

ProfessorGAC

(64,801 posts)
43. I'm Shattered
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:13 PM
Feb 2017

So, you believe that since one guy acknowledges being in a fascist organization doesn't mean Scalia was not a fascist. He's way too far from Thomas and way too close to Robers and Alito on that scale. He's FAR right demagogue and if you put Thomas to the right of Gorsuch, then Scalia belongs there too.

And, i'm not really shattered. I'm completely comfortable in my opinion on Scalia, and completely comfortable in knowing you're wrong.

FarPoint

(12,274 posts)
27. He was in Support of Hobby Lobby.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jan 2017

So BLOCK this Nomination...I want Garland .He was our and was stolen.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
29. I was hoping he wouldn't nominate this guy. Only 49 and a
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:51 PM
Jan 2017

PhD from Oxford. Still, after what happened to Garland, I expect the senate to roast him.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
31. He had a lot of Democratic support when confirmed in 2006, including from Senator Obama.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 10:08 PM
Jan 2017

So it's hard to imagine he's too far out there, or President Obama himself needs to take some blame for advancing the guy's career.

mvd

(65,151 posts)
33. Pelosi called him a "hostile appointment" and "outside the mainstream"
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 10:13 PM
Jan 2017

Perhaps he was worse than expected then.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
36. He's an originalist, so the judicial version of LARPing Act 2 of Hamilton, w/o the good parts.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jan 2017

Because even the originals weren't originalists, else they wouldn't have written a procedure for amending the Constitution.

I wish these originalists would just go get a suit of 18th c clothing, pick up a black powder rifle and an iron pot, and go play with the other re-enactors. Get it out of their systems instead of inflicting it on the rest of us.

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