Awwwww. A Christian Trumpkin told me "You need to take a seat."

[Are_grits_groceries]

"Bless her heart."
I declined.

This was in response to Franklin Graham saying that refugees arev not a Bible issue. What I wrote:
Please look up the nasty anti-semitic history of 'America First.' I m not saying it was chosen for that but it has a horrible history. Refugees ARE a Bible issue. what do you think Jesus ,Mary, and Joseph were when they fled in the night? If Egypt had built a wall or turned them back, they would have been at the mercy of Herod.

In addition, how people are treated is a Bible issue. A 5 year old boy was kept from his mother. Two people trying to visit a gravely sick relative were turned away. Patients in those countries that were scheduled for life-saving treatment here were told not to come. In addition, we have had NO attacks from people from the 7 countries named in the ban. Trump did not ban 3 countries where he has business. One of them is Saudi Arabia where Osama bin Laden AND the 9/11 hijackers came from. Refugees, especially from certain countries, are vetted very thoroughly. Look up the process.

I don't want to get killed by a terrorist or anybody. This could have been done in a more orderly and humane fashion. We acted inhumanely and NOT like Christians.In addition, Jesus didn't ask for papers, pay stubs or whatever. He said to help. WE started a lot of that hot mess in the Middle East by invading without thinking through the consequences. Go ahead. Ignore your Christian principles and hide behind fear. We don't have to be stupid and blindly let everyone in but we can treat people with decency.

(I guess I'll take my snowflake slf and melt away. NOT!)

[n2doc]

1. I guess Moses and his flock weren't refugees

She is just another cafeteria xian, pick and choose and ignore the rest.

[Yupster]

35. Probably not a good example

since they took the land they wanted and massacred the people living there.

[wyldwolf]

2. Say, what if I take this here chair and...

lay it upside your head? (figuratively speaking, of course.)

[TexasProgresive]

3. That's great, and you're not a snowflake but grits

My son has scars on his arm from cooking grits. We like ours on the stiff side and he had the heat too high. It bubble and popped like a volcano erupting splashing hot grits on his arm.

Probably you had to be there, but the anti-Christ-ian trumpite made a mistake turning up the heat on you.

To continue with the dumb grits analogies, you my dear, have grit.

[Amimnoch]

21. Hell with that, I'm a snowflake and proud of it!

Snowflakes are beautiful, and delicate.

Snowflakes are also extremely powerful when they gather in numbers. They can collapse a roof, bury a car, send cities, and sometimes entire sections of countries intos shutdown mode when they gather in enough force. In an avalanche they can ravage an entire mountainside forrest.

I proudly own the name "snowflake" no matter how the "pissdrips" mean it to be taken. Pissdrip.. now that is something that is foul, weak, pathetic, and incapable of anything productive... and references trump's leisure time hobby.

[mac56]

30. Brilliant.

May I borrow?

[Amimnoch]

36. Absolutely.

[TexasProgresive]

32. I have no problem with claiming what is meant as an insult as a complement.

That's the American way, at least back to the Brits calling us Yankee Doodle. It's just that Are-grits-groceries really put the burn on the trumpette that made me think of hot grits popping out of the pot.

[treestar]

4. Mary and Joseph weren't refugees, they were just going

to the birthplace to be counted in a census. I've seen this from right wingers, and I guess they are correct about that. Still, the Bible has several verses saying to be kind to strangers.

[Are_grits_groceries]

6. They were when they had to flee to Egypt.

I know about the census and being kind to strangers.

[treestar]

9. OK I forgot that

Shows what a Biblical scholar I am.

[Are_grits_groceries]

13. Well I'm not.

I just had to go to church for years.
I listened and that has come in handy. In addition, my Mama taught Sunday school and she really prepared her lessons with extra material. Heard those too.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. I actually visited the church in Cairo

that was built over the purported location of where the family fled and stayed while there. The remains of the Roman era construction in that area of Cairo ("Old Cairo&quot is about 12 ft below the current street level. There were stone steps within the church to go down to the actual rooms however at the time I went, the entire thing was flooded and we could only look at the water that reached to the top of these steps -



There are pics like this that show the cavern at the bottom of the steps -

[Roy Rolling]

31. "Reproach" treestar

An archaic term, but it means, loosely, being able to admit it when you're wrong. That is the problem with pseudo-Christial political zealots, they are unable to take reproach. They have a selfish agenda first, a generous and charitable agenda last.

With your humble attitude, you live what Jesus taught, which makes you more of a scholar than those who don't. You made my day.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Please, get back to those right wingers and tell them they're wrong

It's the story of the wise men and Herod, which they ought to have heard of if they reckon themselves cultural Christians. Matthew 2. The wise men from the East tell Herod they're going to Bethlehem to look for the 'new king', and so God warns Joseph and Mary, who flee with Jesus to Egypt, and stay there. Herod massacres all the children (or boys?) under 2 in Bethlehem, and the family stays in Egypt until Herod dies and it's safe to go back.

[Are_grits_groceries]

12. I did. Read my post. nt

[Dave Starsky]

14. The Bible is full of stories of people being chased out...

of their countries fleeing some nasty shit or another, finding God's grace and mercy somewhere else.

This "Christian" blowhard, like most such, doesn't have the first clue what they're talking about.

[treestar]

18. Yes, interesting the right winger

answered with the Nativity story and disregarded that one. Typical illogical right wing crap, which I usually don't fall for!

[Friend or Foe]

15. As a devote atheist, I must point out Matthew 2:13

When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”

If that doesn't define a "refugee" I don't know what does.

[treestar]

17. Yeah I forgot that part

I was stuck on the trip into Bethlehem for some reason. Got distracted by a right winger non-argument.

[raging moderate]

20. The Bible has a BUNCH of verses about being kind.

Jesus told his followers, in a direct order, Be Ye Kind. There are multiple verses in both testaments about being kind. To strangers, to friends, to family, to enemies. Er, we Christians refer to our collection of Jewish scriptures as the Old Testament, and our collection of early Christian scriptures as the New Testament.

[azureblue]

25. and it has the words of Jesus

saying what will happen if you don't:
Matthew 25:31-46... Fundies hate this passage, but there it is - you are going to hell if you don't help the sick, the elderly, the stranger, etc. And that's the big J himself saying it.

[cyclonefence]

5. "Render to no man evil for evil, but strengthen the faint-hearted."

per Jesus

[FiveGoodMen]

38. "per Jesus"

Like that will mean anything to the modern-day evangelical "Christian"!

They'd kill Jesus in a heartbeat.

[Augiedog]

7. These so called christians annoy the hell (pun intended) out of me. They are no more Christian than

Terrorists are Muslim. The pain they bring to the world is untenable. It's no wonder they think they are persecuted, who wants anything to do with a hate group?

[UpInArms]

8. Ahhhh ... The hypocristians in full throttle

N/t

[Donkees]

11. "A Spiritual Narcissist...uses the Gospel to build themselves up while they tear others down"

http://www.crosswalk.com/faith/spiritual-life/5-warning-signs-of-a-spiritual-narcissist.html

[WePurrsevere]

16. As you said, Jesus was a refugee. (That has worked as my only reply.)

He also made it VERY clear in his teachings that helping others, including strangers (he didn't say 'except X' country, belief, etc), is what his followers should do. I mostly use Matt 25:31-46... The Parable of the Sheep and Goats (where he gathers the NATIONS at the end times). It shuts them up rather well normally... especially this part:

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

If they truly think that Jesus would turn away a child or anyone desperately fleeing for their LIVES from another country, they need to do some serious reading of the Gospels and thinking about what Jesus actually taught... not what someone with a fear and power based agenda calling themselves a 'christian' tells them to believe.

[Are_grits_groceries]

24. I use Matthew 25 a lot.nt

[The Blue Flower]

22. "Remember that you, too, were strangers in a strange land."

Caring for the stranger in need is foundational to Judeo-Christian beliefs.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. They need to pull out their now-40 year copies of the miniseries "Jesus of Nazareth"

with the remarkable performance by Peter Ustinov as "Herod".

[BlancheSplanchnik]

34. Oooo, I loved Peter Ustinov way back. Loved great acting even then, I guess!

Thanks for this!

[BumRushDaShow]

37. His was a hyperbolic Herod!

Those were the days of the all-star cast miniseries.

[IronLionZion]

26. Bigots love Sodom and Gomorrah but one of the reasons God punished them

was their hostility to strangers visiting. The people there wanted to rape immigrants. "know" them in the biblical sense.

And Exodus was all about refugees.

Here are some refugee/immigrant related bible verses selected by the United Church of Christ

http://www.ucc.org/justice_immigration_worship_biblical-references-to

[vlyons]

27. Parable of the Good Samaritan

Not only was Jesus a refugee as an infant, but he taught us how to TREAT refugees in his Parable of the Good Samaritan. You may notice in the story that the priest and Levite (an heriditary priest) are hypocrites that ignore wounded man. Jesus had a lot to say about hypocrites. You may also notice that the story includes the Golden Rule "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Call ersatz christians "hypocrites" to their face and why.

Luke 10:25-37 - 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

[PennyK]

28. I've always wondered

Did Franklin Graham ever get a choice as to what he'd do when he grew up?

Since I've never read the Christian Bible (I'm a Jew), does the Golden Rule not apply universally?

[FiveGoodMen]

39. Nothing that Jesus said is honored in the current churches.

Absolutely nothing.

[Are_grits_groceries]

40. From what I have ever read,

The Golden Rule in some form is in almost all religions.
Just using that as a guide would be a decent start.

[world wide wally]

29. WTF is Franklyn Graham even talking about?

"Not a Bible issue"?????????
It's just amazing the bullshit they come up with.

[TexasProgresive]

33. Here's a non-inclusive list of Bible quotes on hospitality to strangers

Then there is the coming of Jacob and sons to Egypt during the famine.

* Deuteronomy 10: 19 You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
* Leviticus 19:34 The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
* Matthew 5:43-44 You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.
* Matthew 25:40 Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
* Romans 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
* Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
* Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
* Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them.”
* 3 John 1:5 Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the friends, even though they are strangers to you; they have testified to your love before the church. You do well to send them on in a manner worthy of God; for they began their journey for the sake of Christ, accepting no support from non-believers. Therefore we ought to support such people, so that they may become co-workers with the truth.
* Luke 10:27 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.
* Hebrews 13: 1 Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it.
* Colossians 3:11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.
* Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
* Romans 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.