Trump walks w/Ivanka as FLOTUS to make "unannounced" visit to Seal. Melania not FLOTUS

[anneboleyn]

Last edited Wed Feb 1, 2017, 06:15 PM - Edit history (1)

So Melania is not moving to the White House (which doesn't surprise me at all). In fact she has disappeared again. I can only imagine the insanity that would have happened if Michelle Obama had refused to move to the White House, and she had TWO young children. The republicans would never have said "hands off" if Michelle had made that decision. No way in hell!

So Ivanka is clearly now "FLOTUS." Just now Trump walked out to pay an "unannounced visit" to the family of the Navy Seal who died in the attack Trump just ordered on a target in Yemen. Ordinarily, of course, the FLOTUS would be at the president's side. Instead it is Ivanka, walking so close to Trump one couldn't see any light between them, and I am sorry but it looks extremely weird -- a father, whose wife is perfectly healthy and capable, having his adult, married with children daughter serve in the FLOTUS spot. It LOOKS very strange, and yes optics matter, and I don't care which historical figures the repubs invoke (Kennedy had his brother around!) -- it looks very peculiar.

I also commented in another thread that we don't need to treat Melania like some special snowflake. She isn't helpless. Michelle Obama, not to mention Hillary, were criticized for every step they took as First Ladies. Melania nodded at everything Trump did and said on the trail, constantly voiced her support for him, participated in his birther attacks, and she dismissed/rationalized his infamous "grab 'em by the pussy" statements in a major television interview.

She is a grown-ass woman (as my students would say), and she has enormous resources at her disposal w/without Trump. As the wife of the president, she is one of the most powerful women in the world. I am sorry but her decision against moving to the White House, and obvious total disinterest in doing any of the FLOTUS charity work or supporting any interests (as all First Ladies have done for decades), sets back all of the work First Ladies like Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton and Eleanor Roosevelt and Jackie and Laura Bush (yes even Laura) and so on have done over the years, in the modern age. I remember Trump promising (and Melania repeating) that she would have all sorts of causes, especially women's health care. So much for that!

Ivanka is our FLOTUS. It looks very strange, and seeing the two march together in unison, side-by-side, "joined at the hip" was very odd indeed.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5892492e/turbine/ct-trump-makes-unannounced-trip-to-honor-falle-001/650/650x366

[underpants]

1. Where was this "unannounced" visit?

AT the White House?

[anneboleyn]

6. Delaware -- they went today

Here is one link (it is all over the place on google news)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-navy-seal-yemen-20170201-story.html

[underpants]

10. Okay thanks.

[woodsprite]

15. If I had been the wife he was "paying respects to", I would have spit on him. n/t

[llmart]

47. My son was working there today...

Dover AFB. He emailed me and said that he was prepared to stay seated and/or turn his back if he was in the same room with him. He said he'd probably lose his job if he did, but he was prepared to do it. I told him I would never be prouder if he did!

[brush]

29. You guys gotta click on the link and check out the photo of them together. You'd think they were...

a married couple.

THAT IS SOME WEIRD SHIT!


Most of us have seen the photos of trump with Ivanka when she was a teem sitting on his lap, and more recent ones on the campaign trail where he always touched her body inappropriately.

Wonder WTF is going on?

And her husband Kushner is being elbowed aside from his anticipated role as a close advisor by the resident-white-supremacist-in-chief president Bannon.

How does that work? The father-in-law uses Kushner wife as a stand-in wife?

Kusher needs to stop being such a eunuch.

And what's Ivanka's deal? She seems absolutely blissful in that photo, striding along beside her father as if they're a couple. Are their arms linked. WTF?

[anneboleyn]

32. I posted it -- they look like husband and wife

[elehhhhna]

35. Wth is she smiling for? On the way to a condolence call? Geez.

[progree]

50. This thread has a collection of photos

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512458158

My favorite:

[uponit7771]

54. +1

[HipChick]

2. +1000 K&R...I thought she was not taking any WH role

[lunatica]

3. there is a DU thread with a photo of Trump and a teenage Ivanka

supposedly playing on a bed. They're fully clothed but it looks far weirder than anything I've seen. It's becoming more and more obvious that there's something very strange about that family.

[snooper2]

5. Yeah, he wants to fuck his daughter...

I would say that is pretty odd

[lunatica]

7. I'm including his sons in the 'that's odd' part

They may have grown up knowing about it, or maybe he showed them who's on top too. They're obviously cowed by him and evidently he forces them to wear suits all the time.

They always act like whipped puppy dogs around the alpha male. If they had tails you would probably see them tucked between their legs while they grovel in front of him.

[2naSalit]

13. Maybe that's why they always have greased back hair

maybe they have nicer hair and have to make theirs look like greasy crap to make him like them.

[Blanks]

18. That's one theory...

I figured when they turned back the clock to the 70's, they'd already have the hair style for the era.

Then they'd start wearing powdered wigs, for the next transition.

[elehhhhna]

33. He wants to fuck himself and this is as close to that as he can.

Creepy a.f.

[uponit7771]

56. He's spoken many times about fucking his daughter and in sexual terms. If he sexualizes

... his own daughter be damned if he's hasn't sexualized someone else's young teenage daughter somewhere in Russia or some other country where the laws aren't strict.

[LisaM]

4. At some point, this has to creep out even some of his most ardent followers.

How can they not see how weird it is?

[anneboleyn]

9. I REALLY don't understand it -- it looked so creepy to me today. Also Trump grabbing Theresa

May's hand the other day during her visit, and holding/crushing her hand even though she looked very uncomfortable (the fucking Prime Minister of England), also gave me the creeps, and I am not one who is easily "triggered."

[doc03]

8. What about the Seal that was killed carrying out Trumps order

what happened there? Never saw anything about it other than it was a total cluster f--- here on DU.

[anneboleyn]

12. Yes, they were going to visit the Seal's family in Delaware. The Trumpers are saying it was YUUGE

but critics are saying it was a disaster as our Seal was killed as well as a number of civilians.

[doc03]

16. I haven't seen any details at all and a Seal was killed, the Republicans would

blaming Obama for his death already. Maybe they will yet.

[anneboleyn]

31. Yes, it is all over the news that a Navy Seal was killed in Trump-ordered attack on Yemen.

[doc03]

34. I guess I should watch the news more but if I do I have

to see and hear that orange faced asshole.

[brush]

38. He was trying to out do Obama's getting Bin Lade but the raid failed.

The media didn't cover it well.

I thought they were finding balls briefly there but apparently they're still cowed by trump and president Bannon.

[MADem]

58. Wasn't he meeting the body at DOVER?

That op was an unmitigated disaster -- the Osprey involved crashed (oh, excuse me, "suffered a hard landing&quot and injured a number of people onboard in addition to this guy getting killed. The house that was the target ended up getting set on fire and an 8 year old girl (US citizen, daughter of the US born target) was killed along with a number of others not involved in any terrorism.


Clusterfuck doesn't begin to describe it. If this were on Obama's hands the Snooze Media would be up his ass so fast our heads would spin.

[Blue_Tires]

11. Trump knows image is everything

so he needs something younger and hotter on his arm in public without actually, you know, actually getting divorced again and remarrying....

[anneboleyn]

17. Blech. I suspect you are right. His body language towards her is just...ugh. And this is our pres

Makes me so proud of our president...barf.

[brush]

40. And what's up with her? She's not oblivious, she has to have picked up the signals...

over the years that her father wants to screw her, yet she goes along with this subbing for Melania as if that's all there is to it.

And what about her husband's feelings, she has no regard for him?

If I were him I sure wouldn't be comfortable with this surrogate wife situation.

[keithbvadu2]

44. Friendship hug for wife, sexually intimate hug for daughter

Friendship hug for wife, sexually intimate hug for daughter

Body Language Expert Weighs In on Donald Trump’s Awkward RNC Stage Hugs With Melania and Ivanka

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-awkwardly-hugs-melania-ivanka-expert-weighs-in-w430543


Dr. Oz Edits Out Creepy Trump Comments About Kissing His Daughter

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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/15/dr-oz-edits-creepy-trump-comments-kissing-daughter.html

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[Vinca]

41. Melania's trade-in date has obviously passed.

She must be grateful to have the Orange Blob in DC and out of her life.

[madaboutharry]

14. Where does Jared Kushner fit into all of this?

There is something strange about the Trump family. The "favorite daughter" Ivanka , the sons who apparently do not have their own lives even though they are grown men with families of their own, and the wife living in another city is very odd by any standards.

But this I don't get; Ivanka has a husband. What is up with Kushner and how does he fit into all of this weirdness?
And btw, apparently there are reports that Kushner is stressed out, losing weight, and doesn't have the role he was promised.

[woodsprite]

19. She's his sugar-mama?

I just can't imagine being a Jewish family who obviously honors the sabbath, meaning so much to your father, but being put in a position to have to deal with Bannon on a day-to-day basis. If I were Ivanka or Jared, I would NEVER forgive him for that.

[anneboleyn]

23. Yep and Jared himself is a billionaire. He can tell Trump to FO whenever he wants to as

he has enormous resources himself. Jared could tell Trump to keep his shrunken hands to himself but he tolerates this crap for some reason. And Bannon? Ugh.

[anneboleyn]

22. I totally agree. I think most spouses would find the "close relationship" VERY difficult at best

I really don't know how he puts up with it -- even if he is constantly reassured by Ivanka, and even if Trump rewards him for "good behavior" by constantly praising him and giving him positions of power, etc. I don't know how he can endure it, and I don't understand why the manner in which Trump behaves towards Ivanka physically doesn't make Jared furious (as people have noted Trump makes Ivanka uncomfortable).

As you say the whole family is extremely weird -- adult sons w/their own families but they hang on daddy's every word and seem to have little life and zero sense of self beyond daddy, the adult daughter who clearly emotionally is more than a daughter (I am NOT claiming that anything physical has ever happened or will happen), and a wife Trump barely seems to know and with whom Trump barely interacts (imagine them having an extended conversation over dinner...). And Barron doesn't seem to have any familiarity w/his father -- Trump seems very distant from his youngest son.

[virgogal]

37. Anna Roosevelt hosted for FDR many times-------and they were REALLY an odd family.

[lunatica]

24. Someone on DU suggested that Jared and Donald may have a thing going

Some body language and a bit of strange things happening that make it seem odd for their relationship.

It doesn't shock me so maybe there is something. I noticed during the Inauguration Balls Jared seemed completely uninterested in Ivanka who was looking particularly gorgeous. They were dancing but Jared was looking around, maybe at Trump.

the whole family dynamic is off somehow.

[uponit7771]

53. ...on bottom?

[MADem]

59. He can't be an observant Jew AND be "Junior President"

t-Rumpie goes on a tear starting at sundown on Friday, egged on by Bannon.

The Mexican clusterfuck with the Mexican President happened because Kushner wasn't around to mitigate Orangeboy. Same deal with the immigrant/refugee fiasco.
/
Jared and Ivanka emerged from a day of not watching any news to go to the Alfalfa event (usually attended by POTUS/FLOTUS, btw) and were shocked at the blowback, which included this pic under the snarky header, Who wore it best? :



Of course, then people decided to have even more fun with it:




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ivanka-trump-compared-syrian-refugee-9720120

[Baitball Blogger]

20. Republilcans are such huge souless hypocrites to tolerate this incredible

separation from the conventions they demand from others.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

21. There have been non-spouses who have served in the First Lady role before. BUT....

....as far as I know, it was always due to the fact that the actual First Lady had died or was incapacitated or that the President was not married (as in the case of Buchanan for example).

But I don't know of an instance in history where an able bodied First Lady had zero interest in actually being the First Lady.

I don't really care except for the fact that it shows me that Melania most likely has very little affection for her husband and what he's doing. And that just speaks to Trump's own character.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

27. Here you go...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady_of_the_United_States#Non-spouses_in_the_role

Several women who were not presidents' wives have served as First Lady, as when the president was a bachelor or widower, or when the wife of the president was unable to fulfill the duties of the First Lady herself. In these cases, the position has been filled by a female relative or friend of the president, such as Martha Jefferson Randolph during Jefferson's presidency, Emily Donelson and Sarah Yorke Jackson during Jackson's, Mary Elizabeth (Taylor) Bliss during Taylor's, Mary Harrison McKee during Benjamin Harrison's presidency, upon her mother's death, Harriet Lane during Buchanan's, and Rose Cleveland prior to Cleveland's marriage.

[anneboleyn]

28. Exactly, never in this situation. The republicans would have shredded Michelle if she refused

to move to the White House. I think it is disrespectful to our traditions at best. Melania assisted Trump during his campaign, and she justified and rationalized all of his comments, including his attacks on women and pussy grabbing. If she genuinely has problems with him she should divorce him and set the best example possible for Barron. Otherwise Barron hears constant justification for Trump's grossest behavior.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Not surprising. Ivanka is good PR for the administration.

I suspect if you were to poll the public, her approval ratings are higher than the rest of them combined.

[Ilsa]

26. If it had been Melania, I would always

Be tempted to call her the FFOTUS (first floozy) or TLOTUS (third lady).

[Richard D]

36. This is probably inappropriate, so . . .

. . .delete if necessary.

I came upon this video by accident yesterday. It's deeply disturbing. The person who did this had another one that shows all of the signs that Melania is and has been abused. Take it for what it's worth:

[llmart]

46. My God, that's creepy!

I still cannot believe anyone would vote for this piece of dogshit!

[BannonsLiver]

39. My take: The marriage is over and a deal has been cut

She won't sue for divorce for as long as he's president if she and Barron can live in NYC and never have to move to DC. I have felt for some time that had he lost the race, the divorce papers would have been filed within 72 hours. The marriage, or what's left of it, is a charade.

I never thought for a moment (and still don't) that Melania will ever be a full time resident of the WH despite what they said about "re-evaluating after the school year".

[gwheezie]

42. I agree with you

At least after this 1st family, the GOP won't have much to bash the next Dem 1st family.

[MontanaMama]

43. Agreed. They look miserable whenever they're together.

He wouldn't try to marry Ivanka would he? Hillbilly supporters would love that shit.

LOVE your screen handle, by the way. Very clever!!

Welcome to DU.

[MADem]

57. Welcome to DU and I agree with you as well....

Great name, BTW--large and in charge (LOL).

[MyNameGoesHere]

45. Well a lot of people have said

That the reason he doesn't release his income tax is because he is supporting his "other" children from his "other" wife.

[TrekLuver]

48. So Melania couldn't get away from all her pressing duties to accompany her husband?

[spike jones]

49. This is the video of Trump disrespecting Melania at the inauguration.

Is Trump talking to her or his daughter?


http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/revealing-moment-between-trumps

From comments on original post:
watch it again. Who is he REALLY looking at when he turns. I think that is the more revealing moment. I caught it. and you bet your butt so did Melania. She is miserable. She tries her best to cover her discomfort here and in the vid when the Predator-in-Chief leaves her behind when they got to the WH, but it's taking a toll on her....but to be disrespected like that. He sure has a thing for his daughter. It's quite sick


Got it. He looked right past his wife to the beaming gaze of daughter Ivanka. Melania is nothing more than window dressing, which has been evident for years. In unguarded moments, Melania's habitual expression is sadness, as if she knows she has made a bad bargain with life, but has resolved to live with it.

[riverwalker]

51. Just a matter of time

When Melania gets lonely in that big old penthouse and finds comfort in the arms of some handsome secret service agent.

[KarmaKola]

52. Madame Melania, CEO of the Slovenian Escort Service

Agree that Madame Melania if fair game, since she was an enabler for covering Dirty Don's assaults upon other women.
Agree that there is a very twisted relationship between Trump and Ivanka - I sense a parallel to Adolf Hitler and his half-neice Geli Raubal - see link below.

Besides being an illegal immigrant, it seems that Madame M. may have been employed as a high price call girl, who did not mind being groped if the price was right.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/1992/04/hitlers-doomed-angel

What is extra twisted is Adolf's deranged sexuality and obsession with urine, described in this article, which matches up with Trump's "golden showers" perfectly.

[NBachers]

55. Ivanka 2024

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

60. Trump is using that role to groom a successor

Ivanka can potentially leverage the role, Melania can't.