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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:27 AM Feb 2017

Tillerson sounds sane and competent

We'll see.

ETA: This morning I read another positive story about him from a fellow Democrat.
Knew him from time in Boy Scouts and later his activities at Exxon ( said he promoted LGBT fairness there)

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Tillerson sounds sane and competent (Original Post) OKNancy Feb 2017 OP
Another crook,thief,CONMAN.. coco22 Feb 2017 #1
+1, I've seen them talk like they were sane ... Enron CEO comes to mind. He was on crack uponit7771 Feb 2017 #5
He also sounds like a person with tangible and close ties to Russia that can't be trusted. I've uponit7771 Feb 2017 #2
It looks good to the media.. coco22 Feb 2017 #7
+1, He sounds sane next to a person who in a serious tone ask for better ratings for Arnold uponit7771 Feb 2017 #12
That's why the seeming sane-looking are so dangerous! ananda Feb 2017 #17
On CNN they were saying.. coco22 Feb 2017 #41
Exactly. He's part of the Putin wing of our government. brush Feb 2017 #55
+1, "Putin Wing"... PERFECT !!!! uponit7771 Feb 2017 #56
We'll see. C_U_L8R Feb 2017 #3
+1, God ... I miss smart people on TV ... anyway we can get Obama back!? no?...shit uponit7771 Feb 2017 #14
By what standard? SHRED Feb 2017 #4
+1, by the standard of quoting the Enquirer?... yeah, MiniPootin is not sane uponit7771 Feb 2017 #16
He can't last, he said we should have respect for others Motley13 Feb 2017 #6
Lots of people start out that way BeyondGeography Feb 2017 #8
It happens carpetbagger Feb 2017 #9
I have to agree... The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #10
It was a very tough speech Yupster Feb 2017 #21
I agree with your assessment. drray23 Feb 2017 #35
That's what I heard too Yupster Feb 2017 #36
I just missed his speech to State Dept workers - What happened? Did he say something against Pachamama Feb 2017 #11
not the first two, of course OKNancy Feb 2017 #13
Let's ask those 1000 state department dissent cable signatories in 6 months if the inference was Pachamama Feb 2017 #19
Tillerson is not demented. trump IS. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #15
He is a terrible person...look at the human rights aspect. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #40
I agree. Just saying that everything is relative. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #42
The first court pick is Obama's pick...the GOP stole it. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #49
A silver tongued fox in the henhouse... SticksnStones Feb 2017 #18
I'm scratching my head at this post and some replies SHRED Feb 2017 #20
Agree. I am baffled. nt DLevine Feb 2017 #30
.... Syndrome. Being mentally sane gets rewarded now uponit7771 Feb 2017 #43
When you have an insane person in the WH, ANYONE looks good by comparison Motley13 Feb 2017 #44
Illuminating isn't it? RandiFan1290 Feb 2017 #50
+a brazillion truebluegreen Feb 2017 #52
Sad that sane gets brownie points Phoenix61 Feb 2017 #22
So did Ted Bundy. MgtPA Feb 2017 #23
Fuck Tillerson SHRED Feb 2017 #24
This guy is wrong for many reasons. kstewart33 Feb 2017 #25
yeah, he's a mere sociopath. unblock Feb 2017 #26
Normalize these people at your own risk. old guy Feb 2017 #27
Tillerson has only one asset grantcart Feb 2017 #28
I'm sure he'll do a heckuvajob. DLevine Feb 2017 #29
Maybe if we can overlook the human rights charges, which have gotten very little notice. enough Feb 2017 #31
So did Bernie Madoff, and Jeffrey Skilling, and Ken Lay . . . . hatrack Feb 2017 #32
I think getting his stock dividends tax free was a big selling point on the job MattP Feb 2017 #33
Ok, he may have sounded reasonable but his ties to Russia completely disqualify him to be SOS. chelsea0011 Feb 2017 #34
He didn't sound reasonable to me Yupster Feb 2017 #37
Tillerson is not the biggest problem we have La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #38
He is not really. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #39
I would question the sanity of anyone who wants to work under tRump. logosoco Feb 2017 #45
If he was sane he wouldn't be tainting his reputation by being associated with Trump. Vinca Feb 2017 #46
All con men are suave rock Feb 2017 #47
His sanity is the least of my concerns about him. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2017 #48
Nothing against LGBT fairness truebluegreen Feb 2017 #51
Most Big Corp CEOs sound reasonable in public dalton99a Feb 2017 #53
He probably is, compared to Trump. alarimer Feb 2017 #54

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
2. He also sounds like a person with tangible and close ties to Russia that can't be trusted. I've
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:28 AM
Feb 2017

... seen the stupid CEO who talks like an adult before, not impressed.

ananda

(28,834 posts)
17. That's why the seeming sane-looking are so dangerous!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:42 AM
Feb 2017

This thinking about Tillerson is also the result of
multiple shocks and truly crazy demented clowns
occupying most of the WH.

He is not any more sane than the rest of them, but
he can put up a sane front.

carpetbagger

(4,390 posts)
9. It happens
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:34 AM
Feb 2017

My father worked with Dick Cheney in the wayback, liked him, thought well of him. Died before he got to see what a schmuck the guy really was once unshackled. I hope he has the guts to stop the train before WW3.

10. I have to agree...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:36 AM
Feb 2017

Far from a fan of Tillerson here, did not want him confirmed, but his opening speech was well delivered and reasonable...or maybe any speech would sound reasonable after listening to the Orange Menace for the past two weeks. As you say, "We'll see."

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
21. It was a very tough speech
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:51 AM
Feb 2017

delivered in a folksy manner.

What I got out of it is that he knows the people in his new organization are not predisposed to support his initiatives. I think he made it pretty clear to them that there were going to be repercussions for not supporting the boss.

I was pretty impressed. This is a guy to be careful around.

drray23

(7,616 posts)
35. I agree with your assessment.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:21 PM
Feb 2017

If you listen carefully, these are the points that were buried in his speech :

1) we have to support president trump and respect each other . Translation: get in line

2) i will review the way the state department is run and make sweeping changes (he alluded to it when saying that current methods may be ild and inefficient).

3) everybody has to be accountable. This is corporate speech for "i will fire your ass" if you dont follow my orders to the letter.


He was talking to smart people, diplomats who will not have missed all of the inuendos .


Yupster

(14,308 posts)
36. That's what I heard too
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:24 PM
Feb 2017

I was thinking of leakers too. I was thinking he was putting them on notice when he was talking about everyone being held accountable for their actions.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
11. I just missed his speech to State Dept workers - What happened? Did he say something against
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:37 AM
Feb 2017

...the Little Man in the White House? Did he speak out against the Muslim Immigration Ban? Did he tell State Dept employees who signed the dissent cable must stay and ignore what White Hose said about leaving?

What did I miss?

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
19. Let's ask those 1000 state department dissent cable signatories in 6 months if the inference was
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:47 AM
Feb 2017

....."correct"...

I see a mass exodus and purge coming...and a Foreign Service that has a loyalty oath that supersedes the Constitution and that their "personal convictions" must be in place with the Little Emperor....




MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
15. Tillerson is not demented. trump IS.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:40 AM
Feb 2017

He may also have a shred of ethics, which is something we can, maybe, work with.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
49. The first court pick is Obama's pick...the GOP stole it.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 08:55 AM
Feb 2017

Thus no one except Merrick Garland should get the seat...I don't care if they break the filibuster...let them. But any Dem who helps with this is going to get primaried period.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
18. A silver tongued fox in the henhouse...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:43 AM
Feb 2017

Follow the money...always!

How will Tillerson's net worth increase during his tenure at State?


Cheney did well with those quid pro quo wartime contracts ~

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/may/24/chris-matthews/chris-matthews-says-cheney-got-34-million-payday-h/

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
20. I'm scratching my head at this post and some replies
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:48 AM
Feb 2017

I see no silver lining with this monster.

WTH are people here supporting him even a tiny bit?

This is what's wrong with our Party.

Phoenix61

(16,993 posts)
22. Sad that sane gets brownie points
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:51 AM
Feb 2017

I'm sure he is competent in his role for Exxon, but I'm not sure how that will transfer to his current role.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
25. This guy is wrong for many reasons.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:58 AM
Feb 2017

Among them: A friend of Putin's who will lobby for lifting of sanctions. When that happens, Exxon Mobil will be free to secure a $500 billion contract with Russia for oil extraction. Oil $$$ are the main source of Putin's power.

He rejected State Department appeals not to take certain actions because they would threaten national security. Tillerson ignored them and acted anyway.

Boy Scout today? Hardly.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
27. Normalize these people at your own risk.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:03 PM
Feb 2017

They are not your friend nor do they care what happens to any of us. Think PROFITS.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
28. Tillerson has only one asset
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:05 PM
Feb 2017

That he can convince Trump of anything important.

For example
1) Don't listen to Bannon/Flynn
2) Stop the trajectory of war with Iran
3) End the ban on Muslims
4) Incentivise transformation away from fossil fuels.

He does these 4 things and we can talk.

hatrack

(59,574 posts)
32. So did Bernie Madoff, and Jeffrey Skilling, and Ken Lay . . . .
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:10 PM
Feb 2017

We'll see what happens in State in the next few months.

My guess - it won't be net positive for this country.

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
34. Ok, he may have sounded reasonable but his ties to Russia completely disqualify him to be SOS.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:14 PM
Feb 2017

As Russia moves further into the Ukraine and Later Estonia, this bozo in charge will simply allow it to happen and with Tillerson as SOS, he will be a wallflower with no power. And maybe he would be happy to see Russia increase it's hold back in Eastern Europe. Who knows? And that'
s the problem.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
37. He didn't sound reasonable to me
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:25 PM
Feb 2017

He sounded like a tough administrator who knew it would be hard to change a huge organization, but he was going to give it a try.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
39. He is not really.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:27 PM
Feb 2017

He is an oil guy with no experience...he should not have been approved. I put those Democrats in my state who voted for him (Brown). Do not cooperate with the Republicans...give them what they gave President Obama...obstruction in all ways.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
45. I would question the sanity of anyone who wants to work under tRump.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:11 PM
Feb 2017

And competent? Sure, but you could also say Charles Manson was a competent leader, since his followers did what he wanted.
When you put someone so high up in the oil business in the state department, you are probably going to see things getting done, but I am damn sure it won't be what is best for the people or the planet.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
46. If he was sane he wouldn't be tainting his reputation by being associated with Trump.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:47 PM
Feb 2017

The history books will have a large chapter on the mentally unstable, totally incompetent "leader of the free world," and Tillerson's name will be included in the description.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,153 posts)
48. His sanity is the least of my concerns about him.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:21 PM
Feb 2017

It's his relationship with Mr. Putin that is greatly bothering me.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
51. Nothing against LGBT fairness
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 09:49 AM
Feb 2017

but there is nothing sane and competent about promoting and continuing the use of fossil fuels. The planet is burning up, for F's sake.

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