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babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:28 PM Feb 2017

Donald Trump tried to punish sanctuary cities. Its backfiring.

Alice Miranda Ollstein
Politics Reporter @ThinkProgress.
5 hrs ago
Donald Trump tried to punish ‘sanctuary cities.’ It’s backfiring.
More cities have joined the movement since his executive order.



President Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to “end” so-called sanctuary cities—jurisdictions that refuse to make their local police enforce immigration law.

“This has to end,” he told a crowd in Houston in September, after talking about San Francisco’s refusal to share information with federal immigration agents. “It will end if I become president, I promise you it will end.”

On his fifth day in office, he signed an executive order to strip such cities and counties of their federal funding.

The threats appear to be backfiring. Since Trump’s election in November, nearly a dozen cities and counties — from progressive California to deep-red Alabama — have voted to adopt sanctuary city policies. Several more cities and an entire state are considering the move. Some cities that have long held sanctuary status are taking Trump to court, while others are creating legal defense funds and taking other measures to protect undocumented residents.

“When we saw that visitors to our community and our nation were under attack by this unjust position and order that the president has made, we wanted people to know that he does not speak for us,” said Jonathan Austin, the president of the Birmingham City Council, which voted unanimously this week to become a sanctuary city. “We need to be a city that’s welcoming and a sanctuary to everyone, regardless of who they are.”

Speaking from the other side of the country, City Council member Sal Tinajero in Santa Ana, California told ThinkProgress his city voted to declare itself a sanctuary as a direct response to Trump’s election.

“The impact it was having on our families, on the psyche of our kids going to school, they were afraid of what was going to happen,” he said. “We knew we had to take action before the president took his oath of office.”

So far, only one sanctuary jurisdiction out of the nation’s 400 or so, Miami-Dade County, has caved to Trump’s defunding threat. Residents took to the streets to protest the decision, and they plan to pressure the county commission to restore sanctuary status in the weeks ahead.

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Donald Trump tried to punish sanctuary cities. Its backfiring. (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2017 OP
I'm declaring my home a sanctuary home! Barack_America Feb 2017 #1
my niece and her husband... mrmpa Feb 2017 #16
Great .. I hope to see more "Backfiring on trump"! Cha Feb 2017 #2
Excellent, great that my county is participating! Initech Feb 2017 #3
Two things Drumpf. 10th Ammendment. And Jurisdiction. haele Feb 2017 #4
Yet another head-scratching hypocritical inconsistency of the GOP Nwgirl503 Feb 2017 #8
Good point. They are power hungry- babylonsister Feb 2017 #10
Par For The Course ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #15
Stoopid, stoopid, stoopid.... lindysalsagal Feb 2017 #5
Oops! N/t MrModerate Feb 2017 #6
I listened to the "The Nation" podcast "Start making sense" this morning and they had a good bit on Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #7
What happens is Mr.Bill Feb 2017 #11
I would expect this of CA but how heartening to see Birmingham doing it! Just broke a stereotype for Amaryllis Feb 2017 #9
When you have lost Alabama you can't even see Peoria grantcart Feb 2017 #12
Fighting back! zentrum Feb 2017 #13
I support the resistance! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #14

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
1. I'm declaring my home a sanctuary home!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:45 PM
Feb 2017

A spot at the dinner table for anyone who needs a meal!

(I've got about a dozen deer taking me up on this in the backyard right now...I feed them corn )

Oh, and I live in one of Trump's naughty sanctuary cities!

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
16. my niece and her husband...
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:34 PM
Feb 2017

Have declared their home a sanctuary. It is open to any who feel threatened by Trump's actions

haele

(12,646 posts)
4. Two things Drumpf. 10th Ammendment. And Jurisdiction.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:07 PM
Feb 2017

First, being in the U.S. as an undocumented person is currently a Federal issue, not a necessarily a state or local issue.
Local police don't have the time, manpower, resources, or budget to do the Feds work. They can pick up undocumented people if those people break the law, and put them in jail if they commit a criminal act, but they can't go out hunting undocumented people, nor can they handle holding them simply because they are undocumented if the infraction isn't serious enough to warrant holding or incarceration.

Simple fact.

Putting on a program analyst hat - if the Feds are serious about criminalizing people who do not carry legal citizenship papers or Visas, and they want local police to be a component of ICE or Border Patrol, then the Feds should to pay big time to add local police liaisons at local stations for each shift, and hire more police, lawyers/prosecutors, investigators, holding cells, and basic services - all under a Federal policing agency (because, again - Jurisdiction) to hold undocumented that might be ticketed or arrested by the actual local police and to be able to process those people without over-burdening the local courts system.

That means there's probably close to another couple - ten, maybe fifty Billion that will need to be added to the Federal budget a year. A responsible government will raise taxes to cover such a program, or severely penalize all employers of undocumented workers - from large corporations who use "agents" to hire cheap crews under the table, to any private citizen who hire someone off a hand-scrawled bulletin board post-it note or outside hardware box stores. Of course, with Tax Cuts being the mantra of the current Congress and Administration and a hands-off attitude to business practices, we'll just get more deficit spending to hire more brownshirts to take care of anyone who doesn't look like an "Amurikkan".

The "Fiscally Responsible" GOP - looking out for future generations saddled with debt.


Haele



Nwgirl503

(406 posts)
8. Yet another head-scratching hypocritical inconsistency of the GOP
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:45 PM
Feb 2017

They rail about wanting everything to be handled at a state level, but then want to invoke federal rule over state issued solutions they don't agree with.

babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
10. Good point. They are power hungry-
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:54 PM
Feb 2017

it seems to me anything they can throw into turmoil or destroy, they're doing.

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
15. Par For The Course
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 07:11 AM
Feb 2017

States should decide, until a state decides to legalize pot. Then, the feds should step in.
States should decide until a state decides to legalize gay marriage. Then, the feds should step in and make a law so other states don't have to recognize the marriage.
States should decide, until a state decides that an immigration ban is unconstitutional. The,. the feds should cut off funding.

How convenient.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
7. I listened to the "The Nation" podcast "Start making sense" this morning and they had a good bit on
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:43 PM
Feb 2017

sanctuary cities. Turns out there are really good reason why they are sanctuaries and has nothing to do with being soft on immigrants. Part of it has to do with lawsuits that they were have to spend a lot of money on. I forget the exact deal with the lawsuits but it made sense. Also they talked about how police don't like to ask about citizenship because it helps their policing, not because they are soft on immigration.

Mr.Bill

(24,274 posts)
11. What happens is
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 10:06 PM
Feb 2017

let's say a guy gets arrested for shoplifting and the judge gives him 30 days. and he is an undocumented alien. After he serves his 30 days, the local Law Enforcement authorities have no legal reason to keep in jail.

The feds want these people held but they won't always issue a warrant. I know specifically that San Francisco has told the feds, just issue a warrant and we will hold him until you pick him up. There have been cases in other cities where these people have been held without a warrant, sued the jurisdiction and won large settlements. Most sanctuary cities became so on advice of their legal counsel to avoid these lawsuits.

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