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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFlynn asks for nonexistent evidence of "Polish incursions in Belarus" - What is he setting up?
This news was from the AP, and national security expert John Schindler immediately asked, "Gleiwitz, anyone?" - referring to the famous false-flag op that was Nazi Germany's excuse to invade Poland.
https://apnews.com/9a5a5fbbb2ba45b2b9316e1734ec22eb
Those would be Flynn's aides. Flynn has a history of trying to find intelligence to bolster his crazy ideas, rather than following actual facts.
And in this case, he's apparently trying to help create an excuse for US inaction if Russia makes any moves against Poland..
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(and in that tweet, the Twitter handle Schindler included after "FYI" is for the Polish Ministry of Defense)
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Sanity Claws
(21,822 posts)This is absolutely nuts.
dalton99a
(81,068 posts)It's insane
TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts)BSdetect
(8,989 posts)This is a pure fascist tactic.
He is a lunatic to think that will be validated.
Even if there was a grain of truth it would not be any excuse for Russia to move.
Rustynaerduwell
(646 posts)as it is in Trump's and Flynn's world. If they want a pile of truth they will make it up.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)thucythucy
(7,986 posts)and is more likely an attempt to justify the perhaps now impending Russian occupation of Belarus. "We had to come rescue this poor little country from its nasty neighbor to the west. Even the US agrees it was those nasty Poles again, just like in 1939." Putin gets Belarus, and the US gets?????
After Belarus I suppose the Baltic states--Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia--are next.
Hugin
(32,778 posts)Trump, however, gets a 19.5% stake in a Russian oil company.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Hugin
(32,778 posts)Maybe, he's trying to get the whole set of cards.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I am glad you and others are picking up on this story.
Link to tweet
Read the responses she gives to others, very interesting.
rug
(82,333 posts)The Nazi regime even staged a border incident designed to make it appear that Poland initiated hostilities. On August 31, 1939, SS men dressed in Polish army uniforms attacked a German radio station at Gleiwitz (Gliwice). The next day, Hitler announced to the German nation and the world his decision to send troops into Poland in response to Polish incursions into the Reich. The Nazi Party Reich Press Office instructed the press to avoid the use of the word war. They were to report that German troops had simply beaten back Polish attacks, a tactic designed to define Germany as the victim of aggression. The responsibility for declaring war would be left to the British and French.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007822
in Poland.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/12/arrival-us-troops-poland-sparks-kremlins-ire/96481698/
No doubt Putin has tasked Flynn to stir the pot (IMO).
paleotn
(17,781 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)LOL!
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Flynn is trying to create fake intel saying that Poland was fucking with the Russians gives the US a reason to turn a blind eye, and thus weakening NATO.
Sadly, I think Russia is going to try to mess with Poland.
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)Russia doesn't border on Poland.
But Belarus is in play now, I'd say. It's a former Soviet "Republic" until the breakup of the Soviet Union. Putin obviously has eyes on re-establishing that empire. Which puts Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltic States in the crosshairs. The Baltics are Nato countries, not the others IIRC, so they prehaps have some protection, though Trump has indicated he doesn't really care.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I trust Flynn less than I trust Trump.
Igel
(35,197 posts)Poland borders Russian territory.
The Russian territory is called Kaliningrad and was annexed by Russia as part of the Nazi war reparations. During the Soviet era it was a closed territory, meaning that Westerners and even Russians had to have permission to visit the area, permission seldom forthcoming. Part of the territory is again closed. It's rumored that Putin's put nuclear missiles there. What's indisputable is that the area's seen a military build up with surface-to-air missile batteries that can reach many hundreds of miles.
Of course, if Putin claims "Poland's staged incursions" there are two responses. The first is to say, "Okay." The second is to say, "No, they haven't." Either way, you'd want to actually have some information; foolish to say okay if there's no evidence that there were, and idiocy to say they haven't if there's evidence they have.
Muddling the waters is what was going on a decade ago when nobody was paying attention to Putin, with Belarusian Polish communities under the gun for being polaci and not eastern Slavs. Remember, Belarus has a slice of formerly Polish territory, and when the Poles fled into their Stalin-mandated borders (what Truman's compliance on shifting borders and such) not all left. Yeah, yeah, Truman was president when the Allies ceded Kaliningrad to Stalin.
Augiedog
(2,541 posts)mitch96
(13,821 posts)These guy are just itching for a war.... Follow the money..
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)Within days we will be at war somewhere, weeks at most.
Rump and bannon are sociopaths who want money and power and have no problem killing to get it, but they would prefer to kill brown people so there is that.
mitch96
(13,821 posts)"and have no problem killing to get it, but they would prefer to kill brown people so there is that."
They have no problem sending your children to die "for the cause". They feed off of others patriotism to help in their evil deeds... the quest for money and power... O'l Eric, Don jr and Barron ain't going in the army too soon but your kids will.. uffda
The fucken bush legacy over again. My mom was right about politicians.. "Vote for me, the hell with you"..
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Its so damn obvious that Trump and Bannon are students of Hitler, now trying to gin up fake Polish incursions into Russian territory!
Has Trump signed a secret pact with Putin to carve up Poland or probably just to take no action as the Dictator of Russia swallows it up?
Trump and Putin probably discussed this shit when he cut off the recording of the phone call to Putin and God knows what else.
The reichstag fire event in the USA where Trump and the republicans in Congress suspend the Constitution and impose martial law maybe?
keithbvadu2
(36,369 posts)Putin is getting his money's worth for his investment in his lackey Trump.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)Gleiweitz INDEED!
The radio station, false flag operation...
those who do not study history etc.....
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)IMO, some Republicans are behind helping Russia by not allowing NATO to QUICKLY shove out Russia's destabilizing gang.
Poland will be a "Crimea #2 invasion" and I'm not sure if the "New USA" will assist NATO at all.
bluecoat_fan
(262 posts)Finding a Bowling Green Massacre in Belarus would give Russia justification to protect Belarus from Poland. Maybe too it will help Russia oil export access.
Native
(5,935 posts)highplainsdem
(48,731 posts)mrmpa
(4,033 posts)a reason for the move to the US, was because his father was not going to let any of his sons serve in the Russian Army. I gave my 86 year old mother the info in this post. She said "Poland, why does it always have to be Poland?"
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Warpy
(110,912 posts)He's already gotten one person killed in an obscure pizza joint. He really needs to be stopped.
Nice men in white coats need to lead him quietly away.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)Russian naval base?
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Iggo
(47,487 posts)Iggo
(47,487 posts)struggle4progress
(118,041 posts)Last Updated: February 03, 2017
RFE/RL's Belarus Service
MINSK Belarusian President Alyaksandr Lukashenka has lashed out at Russia, accusing his powerful neighbor of violating treaties and using its role as an energy supplier to "grab us by the throat."
Speaking to journalists in Minsk on February 3, Lukashenka harshly criticized Moscow's recent decision to establish a "security zone" with border controls along the two countries' shared border.
Russia made the move to secure the previously open border after Minsk announced it was granting visa-free entry to Belarus to short-term visitors from some 80 countries as of February 9.
At his press conference, Lukashenka said Russia had "crossed out" existing treaties with Belarus "with the stroke of a pen" ...
struggle4progress
(118,041 posts)04.02.2017 11:00
Concerts, exhibitions and seminars will highlight the former US presidents role in helping Poland regain its independence in 1918.
The move comes as Poland prepares to celebrate the 100th anniversary of its independence after World War I.
Warsaw mayor Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz said at a conference in City Hall on Friday: "On 22 January 1917, Wilson delivered his famous speech... in which he recognized the rebirth of Poland as one of the objectives of the war.
It was something unexpected, a special moment in history, because, let's be honest, who remembered a country which had not existed for 120 years ...
http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/291939,Warsaw-to-mark-2017-as-year-of-Woodrow-Wilson
struggle4progress
(118,041 posts)http://eng.belta.by/politics/view/belarusian-mps-to-meet-with-members-of-polish-parliament-98320-2017/
JHB
(37,132 posts)...because that's what he grew up with.
spanone
(135,636 posts)Squinch
(50,774 posts)IronLionZion
(45,259 posts)Flynn just wants war with someone. Anyone will do. This Polish story is loony to even think about.
They lied about Iran attacking a US ship.
Claimed a white piece of shit shooting muslims justifies a muslim ban
Lied about Bowling Green Massacre.
Lying about Poland attacking Belarus. This is the sort of nonsense Putin would come up with.
LudwigPastorius
(8,944 posts)Maybe breaking the alliance was part of the deal Putin made with Trump to assist his election/not make public the peeing prostitute tape.
I think we'll be seeing a lot of foreign policy decisions that "just so happen" to benefit Russia over our own country's security interests.
There's a whiff of traitor about Trump.
SunSeeker
(51,372 posts)Moscow Mike is going to start WWIII.