Is America ready for a female/female ticket in 2020?

[nkpolitics1212]

Gillibrand(D-NY)/Harris (D-CA)
Harris (D-CA)/Gillibrand (D-NY)

[crazycatlady]

1. I don't think an all female ticket will happen in my lifetime

And I'm one of the younger members of this forum.

I think we'll see a female VP before a female President. My pick-- Amy Klobuchar (helps in the rust belt).

[nkpolitics1212]

6. I forgot to include Amy Klobuchar (MN) on the list.

Gillibrand (NY)/Harris (CA)
Gillibrand (NY)/Klobuchar (MN)
Harris (CA)/Gillibrand (NY)
Harris (CA)/Klobuchar (MN)
Klobuchar (MN)/Gillibrand (NY)
Klobuchar (MN)/Harris (CA)
If WI gets a Democratic Governor in 2019 (Feingold-WI), I will include Baldwin-WI as a candidate for VP.

[Bucky]

86. It should've happened last year

Clinton-Warren would have carried the Rust Belt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. Yes, same with Bernie... but, Hillary was not going to pick a true progressive (end of story).

Instead, we got stuck with Tim Kaine for VP... BIG mistake! Just another one that was a huge factor why Hillary lost.

[Jamaal510]

133. You're joking, right?

That ticket was arguably the most progressive in the history of the Democratic Party on a whole assortment of issues ranging from women's rights to gun control to income inequality, and they both worked hard on the campaign. They worked hard to let everyone know what was at stake in getting complacent and letting a person like Trump become president. It's not their fault that the media preferred to push the email non-scandal over Trump's real scandals (tax returns, Trump University, housing discrimination, etc.), or that Russian hackers worked to sabotage HC's campaign.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

138. Yes, you're right... both Hillary and Kaine the true progressives... what was I thinkin?

[Blue_true]

104. After four years of Trump, the time would be ripe

For a woman to head the ticket and win. The country will likely be in such bad shape in four years that anyone that votes for Trump and admit it publicly will be ridiculed as a fool. A sage politician on the Democratic side will easily defeat Trump in such circumstances. Klobuchar and Gillibrand are the best positioned due to their age and experience at the national level.

[Phoenix61]

2. Nope! Absolutely not.

I would guess everyone here would be fine with it but I don't think that would be a good plan.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Not likely.

Actually, not a chance.

[HoneyBadger]

4. Yes, but they need to be more progressive

[MrPurple]

5. I don't think so

If Gilibrand got the nomination, she'd be wise to chose a meat and potatoes midwestern guy as her VP.

[nkpolitics1212]

9. Is that Midwestern guy Brown-OH?

The problem with Brown-OH is that OH is likely to have a Republican Governor in 2019
I would include Feingold-WI as the meat and potatoes Midwestern guy as Gillibrand's VP.

[MrPurple]

20. Why would Kasich being governor preclude Brown from being a candidate?

I was thinking more generically. Tim Ryan, a long time Ohio Congressman was one of the guests on the Bill Maher show a week ago. I found myself thinking that he'd be a better national face for the Democrats in the House than Nancy Pelosi - need to appear less bicoastal.

[nkpolitics1212]

23. The governor of OH picks Brown's replacement if he wins re-election in 2018 and runs for President

or Vice President in 2020 and wins.
Kasich is term limited in 2018, DeWine is the leading Republican for OH Governor in 2018.
I agree with yours statement that Ryan-OH would have been a better Democratic Leader in the US House.

[Bucky]

67. that's not an eliminator if he's the right man for the job

Anyway, Ohio has a governor's election two years from now. Kasich may even want to step down so he can challenge Trump for the nomination

[nkpolitics1212]

68. Kasich will have to leave the OH Governorship in 2018/2019 due to term limits.

Democrats need a top tier Democrat to run for OH Governor in 2018
Tim Ryan
Richard Codray-the former OH Attorney General
Betty Sutton-the former US House member
Dennis Kucinich-the former US House member
Whoever is the Democratic nominee for OH Governor in 2018 must win first then Sherrod Brown could run for President in 2020.

[crazycatlady]

134. Kucinich works for Fox News now

So his credibility is shot.

[irisblue]

36. Sen Brown is the only statewide Dem in Ohio (except for a state supreme ct justice I am blanking on)

Brown last win his seat in 2012, good times nationally for Dems. The man he beat, Josh Mandel is running again. Today Mandel, current state treasurer announced he would work against "sanctuary cities" in Ohio ( ). Mandel got a lot of money from the hard right republicans last time around and he will be doing it again this time. Current governor Kasich is term-limited, the leading republican candidate for governor is the man that Sherrod Brown beat for his first senate seat; it's going to be an ugly knife fight in Ohio. Any republican would never appoint a Democratic to the Senate seat.
I like Ryan, I hope his Dem national profile rises. I have not agreed w/ Ryan on his anti choice positions.

[nkpolitics1212]

57. What do you think of this idea?

Dennis Kucinich-D runs for Governor of OH in 2018 wins.
Sherrod Brown-D wins re-election to the US Senate in 2018 then runs for President in 2020
Kucinich-D appoints Tim Ryan-D to the Brown US Senate seat.
OH Democrats get Betty Sutton-D to Ryan US House seat.
In 2022 Sutton runs against Portman for the other OH US Senate seat.
Had Kucinich ran for Governor in 2014,Ryan ran for US Senate against Portman in 2016, and Sutton ran for Ryan's US House seat OH Democrats would have been in better shape?

[rurallib]

7. No Warren?

[nkpolitics1212]

8. I would like to include Warren but the problem with her is her age,and the fact she is from MA a

Warren needs to win re-election first in 2018 with more than 60 percent of the popular vote.

[Blue_true]

106. Her age in 2020 works against her. Democrats need to

Focus on getting younger top people who also have experience. That is why I think Klobuchar and Gillibrand are well positioned. Harris has not been on the national stage long enough.

[Maru Kitteh]

10. I wanted a Clinton/Warren ticket in '16.

Clinton won the vote, but I still believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would have won the Electoral College.

[nkpolitics1212]

11. Warren is too old to be VP.

Hillary needs a young Midwesterner ie Klobuchar-MN or Baldwin-WI if WI gets a Democratic Governor in 2018

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

37. If Warren is too old to be VP

then Hillary is two years older/too old to be President.

What I want is someone nominated who is at least younger than 60.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

108. Would be ideal, but, you have to consider Bernie for 2020, who's young at heart and doesn't look a day over 60.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

115. If we spend the next 12 or 16 years with Presidents

well into their 70's and 80's, that's a huge mistake. The sort of stamina and quickness of mind that's needed to be President of the United States isn't found in the 8th and 9th decades of life.

Heck, I've more than once heard people proclaim that they're glad they had all their kids in their early twenties, because now that they're thirty they can't imagine dealing with little kids at that advanced age. Running this country probably requires at least as much stamina as dealing with two or three kiddies.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still completely heart broken that Warren wasn't willing to challenge Clinton, and then that Sanders didn't win the nomination. But Clinton was the one who was nominated. She lost. Her day is done. We absolutely need to be looking to the future, not to the past. Keep in mind that one complaint liberals have against conservatives is that the latter always look to the past as a better place, and we don't agree with that view.

We don't need leaders whose prime was several decades ago, whose world view was shaped by events that are not the events shaping the current world. We need young blood, young thinking.

And I'm Elizabeth Warren's age. so I'm not exactly a resentful Millennial.

[bathroommonkey76]

12. Booker/Gillibrand 2020. nt

[nkpolitics1212]

14. Booker(NJ) has said NO to a presidential run in 2020

[bathroommonkey76]

15. The exact quote

"Right now, I don't care about 2020. I don't care about 2018."

How many candidates have said that before they announced their candidacy? He's going to run.

[MrPurple]

22. Booker would seem to be the most likely candidate, right now

He presents passionately, as a Stanford educated relatively younger African American guy, it would play like a referendum on another term for Obama.

I know many progressives would rather have someone else because he's taken lots of big pharma/wall st. money, but my guess is that having strong presentation skills and people thinking he could win might overcome that.

[NewJeffCT]

72. I looked into the money Booker has taken

it was 89% from individual donors and 11% from PACs. The largest PAC donor to Booker was in the Lawyers/Law Firms category.

Between New Jersey, the NYC metro area and Philly, there are hundreds of thousands of Pharmaceutical and Wall Street employees. So, it was an average of less than $10 per big pharma and wall street employee.

[MrPurple]

111. Good, I like him

People were complaining when he wouldn't sign on to Bernie's bill to let people get prescriptions from Canada and it was alleged Booker's objections were based in his taking lots of pharma money.

[NewJeffCT]

137. The legislative process

can get ugly and confusing - the Sanders bill was also a non binding resolution that could have been used during reconciliation as a trade off to repeal Obamacare.

I suspect the articles about Booker being bought off by Big Pharma were placed by Right Wing operatives targeting any potential top Democrats for 2020. Then, when 2019 rolls around, people will forget the details and bring out the articles about Booker being a schill for Big Pharma in an attempt to depress progressive turnout. Those targeted Facebook ads aimed at depressing turnout among young women and African Americans obviously helped Trump

[grantcart]

130. Given that Johnson and Johnson is in NJ, you would expect more contributions than that

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

140. Zero chance.

[CK_John]

13. The GOP has to have a female candidate also. It is the only way

the glass ceiling is going to be broken.

I also agree both of your choices would make a fine candidate , but not both on the same ballot.

Let's not make the perfect the enabler of the impossible.

Harris would not be up for a Senate vote until 2022 while Gillibrand would probably not run in 2018 if she wants to run for POTUS in 2020. No since in taking a chance on a primary or being beat in a state GOP pickup.

[nkpolitics1212]

21. We should not worry about Republican selecting a female candidate for President or Vice President.

The Republicans will not select a female candidate for President or Vice President.
A double female ticket for the Democrats will be great, it energizes the progressive Democratic base and it forces Trump to double down on his bigotry.
Amy Klobuchar-MN could be a runningmate for Gillibrand-NY or Harris-CA
If WI gets a Democratic Governor in 2018, I would include Baldwin-WI.

[ProfessorGAC]

78. Flaw In Your Premise

The Repubs DID select a female for VP. She was a dunce and a quitter, but she was a SHE. So, they've got enough women in office that they could pick one of the crazies to be a VP pick.

Now, if we're talking about them nominating a woman as prez candidate, then we agree fully.

[HoneyBadger]

34. So if Gillibrand passes on 2018, Kennedy takes her spot?

[nkpolitics1212]

44. I support the idea of Caroline Kennedy replacing Gillibrand as US Senator from NY.

[NewJeffCT]

77. They said that about a black candidate, too

and then we got Barack Obama

[LanternWaste]

93. You fail to provide support for your statement. It does not necessarily follow.

"Let's not make the perfect the enabler of the impossible..."
You fail to provide support for this statement. On its own, it does not necessarily follow (non sequitur).

And two females at the top of the Democratic ticket is not perfection, nor was it implied or labeled as perfection by anyone other than you.

[Blue_true]

109. The most likely time for the glass ceiling to be broken

Is a run against Trump in 2020. Trump should be beyond toxic to most voters by then, his ego won't allow him to step aside for Pence to run. A Senator like Gillibrand or Klobuchar should make short work of Trump. Gillibrand is unlikely to lose in NY in 2018, the exact opposite is more likely, she should run up a big score - also, unless Cuomo really screw up, the NY Governor in 2021 should be a Democrat, so a Democrat would be chosen to fill Gillibrand's seat after she ascends to the Presidency.

[California_Republic]

16. Nebraska ran two females for governor

n the 1986 general election, Kay Or defeated former Lincoln Mayor Helen Boosalis in the first U.S. gubernatorial election in which both major party candidates were women, winning by a 53% to 47% margin. Wikipedia

[RoadhogRidesAgain]

17. Sure

I want good candidates that will push leftist economic and social policies and I want them to push them hard and be uncompromising. I don't care if their female, male, white black, asian etc. I won't vote for somebody just because they are female but I will definitely vote for a female that has policies and views I like.

[truebluegreen]

64. +1

Welcome to DU.

[jmowreader]

18. How about any of these tickets?

Al Franken (D-MN) with...

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA)
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Gov. Steve Bullock (D-MT)
Gov. Roy Cooper (D-NC)
Gov. David Ige (D-HI)
Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL)

BTW are there any good (read: Democrats who don't see going broke repeatedly as a proper business strategy) female CEOs who wouldn't mind taking a serious pay cut for a few years?

And that last comment is our biggest problem: our Best and Brightest can't afford to work for $230,700 per year. Public service is an Honor and a Privilege but when you can do just as well financially by being a district manager at Walmart, it's going to be hard to get the people we really want to be presidents and VPs to sign up for the job.

[nkpolitics1212]

25. This post is whether America is ready for a double female ticket in

the near future?
If so Democrats should take the initiative in selecting a double female ticket in 2020.

[jmowreader]

32. Maybe we should win the electoral college with one woman on the ticket first?

Unfortunately, presidential tickets with women on them have a perfect record so far - every one of them has lost. There have been two major party VP candidates (Geraldine Ferraro and Sarah Palin), and of course Hillary. I have a justifiable fear that running two women on the same ticket before we managed to get a ticket with only one elected would lead to another loss.

I think the only thing that WOULD work is...

1. Man for president, woman for VP. Ticket gets elected and serves two terms.
2. Woman VP runs for president with a man as VP. (Follow along, it comes out at the end.) Ticket gets elected and serves two terms.
3. Male VP runs for president with a woman as VP. Once again, ticket gets elected and serves two terms.
4. Woman VP runs for president with another woman as VP.

[nkpolitics1212]

43. I support your idea.

2020
Hickenlooper-CO/Klobuchar-MN gives Democrats the Clinton states plus
AZ-11/243ev
MI-16/259ev
PA-20/279ev
Democratic Ticket could afford to lose ME-2 (Democrats will win the 1st CD of ME) and NH-4/273ev
another scenario is Hickenlooper-CO/Klobuchar-MN ticket gives Democrats the Clinton states plus
AZ-11/243ev
MI-16/259ev
WI-10/269ev
NE2nd-1/270ev
or
AZ-11/243ev
PA-20/263ev
WI-10/273ev
Democratic Ticket could afford to lose ME-2 (Democrats will win the 1st CD of ME)/271ev
Hickenlooper-CO/Klobuchar-MN wins in 2020 and 2024
2028 and 2032
Klobuchar-MN/Booker-NJ
2036 and 2040
Booker-NJ/Gabbard-HI
2044 will be the year we have a double female ticket
Gabbard-HI/Katy Perry-CA

[Squinch]

29. I have my hopes on Tammy Duckworth to be the first woman, but it won't be 2020.

[Equinox Moon]

19. For me, it's not about gender or race or age.

We need solid honest political leaders that actually work for "the people".

If that is a double woman at the top of the ticket, all the better.

[NightWatcher]

24. Can't we just find a charismatic young guy from middle America?

Another Bill Clinton with a fresh face and no baggage would be nice. We need to win in 2020 and not fight a war against misogyny. Ideals are swell but let's focus on winning, then while he's fixing things we can work on institutional sexism. Obama stoked racism and Hillary brought the misogynists out of the woodwork.

[nkpolitics1212]

26. The charismatic young guy from middle America Feingold-WI or Ryan-OH

[NewJeffCT]

73. Feingold is 63

I love the guy, but he lost in Wisconsin by more than Clinton did

[Warren DeMontague]

51. We need to stop overthinking these things and listening to the conventional wisdom.

You don't plug a bunch of variables into the "candidate machine" and get a winning candidate out the end like a frozen pizza. At best, you get a patchwork homunculous that doesn't stand for anything and inspires no one.

People want to talk about "finding that Obama magic again"? .... Conventional wisdom had Obama pegged as the WORST possible candidate, the one our party would be insane to run. NO WAY was "middle America" gonna vote for the One Term AA Senator with the name that rhymes with "Osama". No fucking WAY. And his middle name is "Hussein"? Are you out of your minds?

The Conventional Wisdom people, the people who try to design a candidate by plugging in the "proper" electability variables, wanted nothing to do with Barack Hussein Obama.

And those same people told us Kerry was a shoo-in. War Hero? Gravitas? Oh, and he voted for the Iraq War (yay!), so he can't be hit with Nineeleven, amirite?

Derp.

That same conventional wisdom said Trump was FUCKED. Hell, I thought he was too, at least after the pussygrabbing tape- but remember all the jokes about "more electable than Trump"?

Whoops.

We need to put this bullshit beltway conventional wisdom crap out to pasture for good. And what we need in terms of a leader is someone who genuinely inspires and organically LEADS, and if and when that person shows up I guarantee you it won't matter what gender they are, what color they are, what their last name is or what state they're from.

[nkpolitics1212]

58. What do you think of a Klobuchar/Ellison ticket-Minnesota ticket?

This helps Democrats secure the middle, get Klobuchar to campaign in CA and the other battleground western states, get Ellison to campaign in New York and other battleground East Coast states

[Warren DeMontague]

63. Like I said, I think the secret sauce is inspirational leadership. That, and a willingness to take

actual definable stands - to lead, even- on actual issues.

If Amy Klobuchar can do that, then.... awesome.


Also, we need to run someone who supports ending the drug war and fully descheduling cannabis at the Federal Level. No more drug warriors.

[nkpolitics1212]

65. I second that motion.

[crazycatlady]

70. The president and VP can't be from the same state

[bullwinkle428]

74. This x 1000.

[Blue_true]

112. Trump should be toxic in 2020. Perfect time to run a strong

Woman against him.

[elleng]

27. Warren, but imo

gender should NOT be an issue.

Will be great when a woman is elected POTUS, but it should not be major factor.

[Squinch]

28. Nope. America would like to think it is, and maybe even really believes it is, but

it totally isn't.

They would do well in the polls and then lose. Because reasons.

[nkpolitics1212]

31. A double female ticket on the Democratic side would force Conservative Democratic men from the South

and Midwest to defect but we can appeal to Moderate to Liberal Republican women voters to vote Democratic.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

33. Republicans vote for Republicans

The soft centrist Republicans were peeled away a generation ago. Wishful thinking turned conventional wisdom is part of the reason we lost the election.

[nkpolitics1212]

47. What could Democrats do to convince the Olympia Snowes or the Christine Todd Whitmans to come

On Board?
Snowe could convince her former ME colleague Collins to defect.

[nkpolitics1212]

60. The soft centrist Republicans vote Republican due to the anti abortion issue or the tax cut issue?

Democrats should remind these Republicans about how poor of a record Republicans have in protecting the environment.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

97. the one time centrist Republicans have been Democrats for a very long time

The genius of Clinton, Chretien and Blair in the 90's was they were able to get centrist conservatives to vote for their center-left parties as the urban and suburban bourgeoisie found themselves poorly represented in the Republican and the Canadian and British Conservative parties.

That shift has already happened, those who remain the Republican fold are likely to stay there because of their own principles. It was a huge leap to think that Republican women were going to vote for Hillary Clinton either because she was a woman or because Trump was just so reprehensible. Yet this assumption, which wasn't supported by anything at all seemed to be the guiding assumption of the Clinton campaign.

[truebluegreen]

66. You want to depend on

"moderate to liberal Republican women"...like the ones who didn't show up for Hillary?

Assuming they exist at all, which seems unlikely: Liberal Republican Women? Hah.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

98. I do know a few women who might be described that way

But they were relatively at ease with Trump because he wasn't Ted Cruz. Republican women were not going to vote for Hillary Clinton, that was fantastical.

[truebluegreen]

120. I agree.

They stick with the tribe.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

30. The primary voters will eat Gillibrand alive

"Tobacco Industry Lawyer" is going to be a very difficult label to overcome. I like her a lot, but she has too many skeletons.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

110. isn't that her only skeleton?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

117. She worked for Davis Polk, probably not.

[Blue_true]

113. Repeating the same shit that was done to Clinton, I see.

Any young lawyer in a law firm takes the cases assigned to them or quit. Also, how much did Gillibrand or her husband defend tobacco and what was the context. The people that beat Clinton up over belief that she would be soft on fracking now have a President that will try to turn the environment into a festering sewer, congratulations to them.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

116. I work in that world, you don't have to convince me.

You just have to convince the activist left primary voters who feel they were vindicated by the election outcome and are going to double-down next go around in search of unimpeachable progressive and or socialist purity.

Gillibrand will be labeled the "tobacco industry lawyer" and that will be very difficult for her to overcome.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. How about an all California ticket.

Newsom/Harris or Harris/Newsom

[Jake Stern]

38. That ticket would play beautifully on the coasts but not so much in the middle

Newsom would easily be painted as the stereotypical wealthy out-of-touch California latte liberal. Throw in 24/7 attack ads featuring his strong defense of sanctuary cities and his positions on gun control and he'd likely be handed his ass on election day.

We need to stick to the formula that brought us 2 two term presidents*: Young and charismatic with an inspirational life story. Someone who is just as comfortable chowing down on ribs and fixin's with locals at a barbecue cook-off as he/she is giving a graceful speech at a state dinner with the Queen.


*Likely a third if Kennedy had not been assassinated.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Maybe.

But we sure as shit don't need to be running any more out of touch East Coast baby boomers who vehemently oppose legal marijuana, either.

[Jake Stern]

88. I agree completely

Long been pushing for the Dems to embrace marijuana legalization. Good way to get the young to turn out on election.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. I think we're getting there.

But for whatever reason there seems to be more uptightness around it the further East you go. Even though MA and ME have legalized, it's notable that the politicians- even in "blue" Mass.- have been thoroughly intent on throwing up as many roadblocks as possible in the way of implementation of legalization.

Contrast the MA legislature's panicked and almost peevish attempts at delay with Oregon, where the (D) Governor and legislature embraced legalization and even worked to implement limited recreational sales as the framework for full legalization was being brought online, and as such both fulfilled the will of the voters and began bringing in tax revenue almost immediately.

Seems like a fairly obvious step.

[Jake Stern]

94. One of the many reasons I love living in Colorado

The fact that we're progressive on this issue

[JI7]

40. the wealthy out of touch liberal thing is just an attack by bigots . their support for Trump

pretty much proves it.

it's not the wealth they are offended by. what they don't like is their position on social issues . particularly things like civil rights, gay rights, wome'ns rights etc.

[Jake Stern]

89. Indeed but the image is one of "He's rich enough to be liberal. He don't care about losing his job"

Which cloaks the real reasons they vote the way they do.

[nkpolitics1212]

46. A ticket that has two individuals from the same state is not allowed.

I could suggest an all New York ticket
Gillibrand/Cuomo
Cuomo/Gillibrand

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Not entirely true, although it could pose a problem.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/16/lawrence-odonnell/president-vice-president-same-state-allowed/

But honestly, the Eastern Seaboard/beltway mentality has dominated our party for too long. The West Coast is solid blue and a source of real strength in terms of leadership for our party. It's well past time for the Beltway to start listening to us.

[nkpolitics1212]

52. What about a ticket that has a Californian and a Southwesterner

Newsom/Cortez Masto-NV the candidate who replaced Harry Reid

[Warren DeMontague]

54. This post is kind of a synopsis of my thoughts, here, not to dis the premise of your thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8607749

Basically, working it through in my own head; I think what we need is genuine organic and inspired leadership, that's more important than the particulars of who, what and where.

[Motown_Johnny]

41. So long as the best candidate wins our nomination, it shouldn't matter

I actually thought Hillary should have picked a female running mate last time around. Nobody really votes for or against a VP anyways and I think the visual of having a male standing on the podium with her took away from the historic nature of her nomination.


Of course, I was/am a Bernie supporter but that is besides the point.


I think a female/female ticket in 2020 is fine, so long as the top of the ticket is the best possible choice.

[nkpolitics1212]

45. 2016 Hillary should have picked Klobuchar-MN as her VP runningmate.

She could have won WI,MI,and PA and help Feingold win the WI rematch.
2024
Klobuchar-MN/Harris-CA(we could add a minority female to the ticket)
2032
Harris-CA/Gabbard-HI (a double minority female ticket) one is a prosecutor/the other is a veteran.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. I like Harris but I think Newsom would be a better choice.

Newsom has displayed real leadership on everything from marriage equality to cannabis legalization.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

99. Newsom has a zipper problem

Any candidacy for higher office will be a year-long bimbo eruption to borrow a phrase from Betsey Wright.

[Warren DeMontague]

125. Maybe. But that's old news.

And im not sure how much that would matter running against Baron Von Pussygrabber, regardless.

[Orrex]

71. Klobuchar kicks ass

Don't know if she has aspirations toward the Whitehouse, but I like a lot of what she has to say. Definitely doesn't tolerate a lot of bullshit.

[pat_k]

42. We can dream...

...but I fear not.

[aikoaiko]

48. Sure. I don't think two women on the ticket is a barrier at all.

[pansypoo53219]

53. NOT if they only play a woman card.

[nkpolitics1212]

55. We should nominate a female prosecutor-Klobuchar-MN and a female veteran-Gabbard-HI

[mahina]

56. 2018

Focus, people.

Hearts and bunnies etc.

[nkpolitics1212]

59. 2018 Democrats have to play defense in the US Senate.

Re-elect
Democrat to replace Feinstein-CA
Nelson-FL
Donnelly-IN
King-ME
Warren-MA
Stabenow-MI
Klobuchar-MN
McCaskill-MO
Tester-MT
Democrat to replace Menendez-NJ
Heinrich-NM
Heitkamp-ND
Brown-OH
Casey-PA
Kaine-VA
Cantwell-WA
Manchin-WV
Baldwin-WI
Pick up Republican held seats in
AZ-Kirsten Sinema or Gabby Giffords/Mark Kelly to run against Flake-R
NV-Dina Titus to run against Heller-R
That gives Democrats 50 seats, one seat short in getting majority control of the US Senate.
In 2020 Democrats could nominate a McCaskill-MO/Heitkamp-ND ticket to steal the Midwestern states MO,IA,WI,and MI and hold onto MN.

[NewJeffCT]

76. 2017

Governor's races in NJ and VA

[DFW]

61. WHICH America?

Certainly the coasts are. Middle Earth might be a much harder sell.

[nkpolitics1212]

62. What if we nominate a female candidate from the Midwest-Klobuchar-MN for President?

and nominate a female candidate from the Southwest-Cortez Masto-NV or Gabby Giffords-AZ as Vice President.

[DFW]

83. Cortez-Masto is too new, but Amy Klobuchar would be a viable choice. Forget Gabby

Gabby is a personal friend, was one long before she was shot.

Much as I thought she was a hot choice for national office before she was shot, she is no longer in any state to assume national office. She thinks so, too, and would probably consider any talk of it as condescending. She is doing what she can to make progress, but has no illusions about her physical limits.

I like all of our new women Senators, plus Gillibrand and Klobuchar, who have done a good job since taking office. I met Klobuchar when she was running for her seat, and she seemed to be a very smart, level-headed candidate. Both she and Gillibrand have been around for a while now, and know the ropes of national office. Gillibrand has the added advantage of being a favorite of Howard Dean. If Hillary hadn't recruited him early for the 2016 campaign, he would have backed Gillibrand for the nomination (I hope it's OK for me to say that now!! Howard told me that in strict confidence two years ago).

[m-lekktor]

69. I am ready for a non establishment hack ticket regardless of gender. nt

[otohara]

118. Artful Smear nt.

[NewJeffCT]

75. The most important thing for Democrats to do is to pick a candidate with charisma

The more charismatic candidate wins every time in the modern era.

It doesn't matter that Carter and Mondale were smarter than Reagan and also very competent people, they lost to the most charismatic Republican since Teddy Roosevelt.

In 1988, neither candidate was charismatic, but Dukakis was epically uncharismatic.

In 1992 and 96, the Democrats ran the extremely charismatic Bill Clinton and won handily both times.

In 2000 and 2004, the faux "down home charm" of George W Bush defeated the "elite" and "aloof" intellectuals Al Gore and John Kerry.

In 2008 and 2012, The charismatic Barack Obama beat experienced, but surly John McCain and then aloof elitist Mitt Romney.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton was smart and supremely qualified, but not nearly as charismatic as her husband, and lost to charismatic snake oil salesman and media coverage magnet Trump.

[Cosmocat]

80. YEP!

nm

[Iggo]

92. You ain't wrong.

Let's play to win.

[NewJeffCT]

95. Which Democrats out there

have that charisma about them? I remember Julian Castro giving a good speech at the 2012 DNC and Cory Booker at the 2016 DNC. I've heard good things about Kamala Harris, but I've yet to actually hear her speak.

As much as I like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, I don't think either has that magnetism about them.

[Iggo]

96. I don't know, but they should be jumping up right the fuck now.

We're in the minority across the board and it's time to let fly with everything and everyone we have.

Can't worry about whose turn it is anymore.

[MrPurple]

122. Booker/Franken 2020

Corey Booker seems to be the one on the national stage now with the most charismatic presentation. I'd love to see Al Franken on the ticket - encyclopedic knowledge of policy and the sharp wit to help pierce the absurdity of Trump/Pence.

Gavin Newsom seems genuine and charismatic, but if he becomes Gov. of Cali. in 2018, it will be too soon for him to run for President or VP.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

114. + 100 ... n/t

[otohara]

119. Hillary Is Charming

and quick witted...and did happened to win more votes.

More votes than her charming husband.

[NewJeffCT]

121. Charming isn't the same

as charismatic.

While she is charismatic to me as a Democrat and a liberal, she is not to most voters. Most Republicans will admit that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were charismatic, even if they did not like their politics. They would not say that about Hillary Clinton.

[otohara]

129. Have You Noticed Charismatic Typical Male Term

while charming is more of a female term ...

[crazycatlady]

136. I'd call Sarah Palin charismatic

As much as I disagree with everything that comes out of her mouth, I'll give her points for being charismatic.

[PRETZEL]

79. Absolutely

If anything of this past election, it showed that women are just as capable of being strong leaders as anybody.

I would not even think twice about voting for two strong female candidates.

[NewJeffCT]

81. I'm a guy

and I was actually disappointed that Clinton did not pick Elizabeth Warren as VP.

[PRETZEL]

82. Senator Warren would have been a good choice

but I didn't have any qualms against Senator Kaine either.

[NewJeffCT]

84. Kaine seems to be a great guy

and likely made a difference in Virginia. However, I think Warren would have brought along at least some of the disaffected Sanders voters and it would have been a sharp contrast to two old white men.

[PRETZEL]

87. Don't disagree at all nt

[librechik]

85. make it Oprah and Michelle, and I'm there, dude n/t

[Iggo]

90. I believe they just proved they are not ready. But so fucking what?

They weren't ready for the black guy, either.

[Blue_true]

100. The best positioned Democrats are women.

Unless Martin O'Malley or Chris Van Hollen get momentum. Regardless, the 2020 Democratic Ticket will likely include one woman. It would be rich to see a Gillibrand, or Klobuchar, or Harris topping the ticket and this time kicking Trump's ass in the popular vote AND the Electoral College.

[get the red out]

101. As much as I wish it was

It definitely is not.

[Demsrule86]

102. No, I don't think so, and I am a woman.

[Freethinker65]

103. No. America is now set to implode as planned...once the for profits have taken everything of use...

Maybe then they will allow it.

[Initech]

105. Will America have elections in 2020?

[MrPurple]

123. and if so, will so many registrations have been purged, machines hacked that it's pointless?

[Initech]

124. And you just know they'd love to purge the opposition from getting the chance to vote.

It's coming.

[MrPurple]

126. That's entirely what Trump's "investigation" into voter fraud is about

Crosscheck purged 7.5 million supposedly duplicate voters before this last election, they want an excuse to do it in an even more widespread way - especially the duplicate names that live in highly Democratic districts.

[Initech]

127. And it's an empty investigation at that.

You know they're not going to find anything, which will only piss Trump off even more. And now we have Infowars in the Press Corps and Breitbart calling the shots. The alt right has become self aware. This is just the beginning.

[MrPurple]

128. They'll find that millions of dead people & people who've moved to new addresses still registered

Which means nothing. They'll try to manufacture some cases of people who have voted twice. The Democrats & the ACLU need to demand to see the list of the 7.5 million people that were purged in this cycle and document all the legitimate voters that were removed and the thousands of people that were identified as duplicates when they're actually different people - and show the percentages of the wrongly purged people that were black/latino. My guess is that a lot more Willie Johnsons & Carlos Martinez's got thrown out than Christine Schmidt's.

[adigal]

131. Gillibrand is better than she was, but she isn't outspoken or a great speaker

And Harris is new.
And really, can we fricking stop this 2020 stuff, because if we don't win in 2018, there may be NO election in 2020. And that is not hyperbole. We need to organize in the real world, we need to get every Dem in this country registered and to the polls in 2018.
Please...let's stop this silly 2020 game.

[kstewart33]

132. Unfortunately no.

A lotta misogyny emerged in 2016. It's not going away in 2020.

[Baconator]

135. That doesn't pass the common sense test for demographics...

[sarcasmo]

139. Newsom/Castro 2020

[uponit7771]

141. Yes... The last female wan popular by 3million was cheated out of win