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Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 03:52 PM Feb 2017

My husband and I are both retired public school educators...

He was a Superintendent and I was a high school librarian. This Betsy DeVos appointment is killing us...I read after the election that one third of NEA members voted for tRump, I hope they are proud of their decision. I hate republicans for the way they hate America. May all of their heads implode....fuck them all.

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My husband and I are both retired public school educators... (Original Post) Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 OP
I am a retired school psychologist. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #1
Of course they will... Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 #4
Neither did I. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #6
The word 'special' in your post is superfluous... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #5
That too. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #8
they want the money that education brings in and teach Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #47
No, they celebrate ignorance BBG Feb 2017 #92
that is so true Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #102
Charles Koch wants to destroy mandatory education period, Hortensis Feb 2017 #12
I just hope for 2 things. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #13
We only need a fraction to wake the fuck up, and hopefully Hortensis Feb 2017 #16
No, no, and never. And politics with dinner? Yeah, that always works. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #69
if repukes didn't wake up after eight years of Dubya Skittles Feb 2017 #84
Very good point and agree with the strategy. Hortensis Feb 2017 #86
'Puke voters not fooled Feb 2017 #93
Scary situation. At this point the best the worst of Hortensis Feb 2017 #94
Scorecard Cosmocat Feb 2017 #39
Isn't it a little early to grab our ankles, etc? Hortensis Feb 2017 #52
As soon as the going gets tough? Have you been around the last quarter century? Cosmocat Feb 2017 #55
Exactly how many times did YOU worry that Hortensis Feb 2017 #58
WTF are you babbling about? Cosmocat Feb 2017 #66
The Kocks DK504 Feb 2017 #29
My grandmother was a teacher, started at a one room school in the early 1900s Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #43
That's really sad. redwitch Feb 2017 #50
She kept up with some of her students and I visited some with her. Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #56
That IS really sad.... Useless in FL Feb 2017 #96
Oh, my. I've read, not experienced by extension as you have, Hortensis Feb 2017 #54
That's what my grandmother told me Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #59
Wow. Astonishing how our worlds change in such a Hortensis Feb 2017 #61
I know! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #63
That last makes me smile too. I suspect my Hortensis Feb 2017 #87
The Deplorables want to euthanize special- needs children - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #18
I'm not surprised. They don't want to even see them in public. One school demigoddess Feb 2017 #23
No, they don't. Demonizing normal people is Hortensis Feb 2017 #62
The Deplorables are not 'normal,' unless by 'normal' you are KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #64
Look around you. They're everywhere you are Hortensis Feb 2017 #65
After Katrina, this white female Aryan supermodel CFO told me KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #71
Hope you let her know why. nt raccoon Feb 2017 #80
I walked out because the CEO (a male) seemed like a raving lunatic. I did not let her know why, KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #88
Classic authoritarian conservatism. It's in the Bible, you Hortensis Feb 2017 #85
No special ed cuz here them tell it, no GOP children require special ed. GAH nt iluvtennis Feb 2017 #41
We had a group of "reformers" get elected to my kids' school district BOE meadowlark5 Feb 2017 #101
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot Phoenix61 Feb 2017 #2
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2017 #3
About 1 in 5 AFT Members Voted For Trump otohara Feb 2017 #7
The NEA reminds me of the AMA. hunter Feb 2017 #37
There are plenty of NEA members that are not like that. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #97
The OP was about numbers. hunter Feb 2017 #99
Christian Theocracy. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #9
That 1/3 figured without ESL students they could phone it in bigbrother05 Feb 2017 #10
What will the underclass do when automation takes their jobd TexasBushwhacker Feb 2017 #21
The President of the teachers union at my school is a Repug Freddie Feb 2017 #11
Like a Jew for Hitler. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #19
There WERE Jews who voted for Hitler, for economic reasons. no_hypocrisy Feb 2017 #28
Im aware. And just as the union Prez does a good job as head of the union, I'm KingCharlemagne Feb 2017 #31
Makes absolutely no sense! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #68
I know a couple teachers that voted for Cheeto. progressoid Feb 2017 #14
The one third that voted for Trump expect the "others" Blue_true Feb 2017 #15
ITA, especially the part about the NEA members who voted for him. nt raccoon Feb 2017 #17
I was also a k-12 librarian. I live in az where we have had many notdarkyet Feb 2017 #20
My heart is breaking for my grandchildren and every public school student in the country. Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 #22
It's not just zentrum Feb 2017 #24
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #42
Destroying critical thinking is number one priority leading to a cheap expendable labor class Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #51
The mood was very somber today at the public school where I teach... bluehen Feb 2017 #25
Thank you for telling them that AwakeAtLast Feb 2017 #72
Oh, God... Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 #74
Good for you. Make them own it! nt raccoon Feb 2017 #82
Got the same letter.......... MyOwnPeace Feb 2017 #95
Retired Special Education teacher. 38 years. erinlough Feb 2017 #26
When teachers are attacked by the right as the enemy, and part of the problem, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #27
one word for you jodymarie aimee Feb 2017 #30
I grew up in Wisconsin Bettie Feb 2017 #44
I know how you feel. My family has been for unions--many riversedge Feb 2017 #32
It's all part of their plan Mr.Bill Feb 2017 #33
You nailed it. nt SunSeeker Feb 2017 #53
They need to destroy education. The stupid is their only hope. onecaliberal Feb 2017 #34
The NEA supported Clinton Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #98
Maybe the top of the association, but from what I've read, not alot of the members. onecaliberal Feb 2017 #103
The OP indicates 2/3 for Clinton Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #104
I wasn't commenting on what the OP states, I was commenting on the many things I have read, that onecaliberal Feb 2017 #105
Going to share any of that? Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #106
You are free to read just like I am onecaliberal Feb 2017 #107
So, no, you have nothing with real numbers. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #108
You don't read much. Enjoy the dust bin. onecaliberal Feb 2017 #109
Yeah, if that makes you happy, go ahead and think that. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #110
You need to read further, because you are incorrect. kwassa Feb 2017 #111
from trump to devoss and pub school privatization depends on 88 universities certainot Feb 2017 #35
There are many public schools in R districts DeminPennswoods Feb 2017 #36
The RW hypnotists will convince them it's the D's fault. That's pretty much Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #67
I think not DeminPennswoods Feb 2017 #100
We are from SW PA Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 #75
As the parent of a special needs child GallopingGhost Feb 2017 #38
I guess I'll start collecting textbooks to add to my banned books collection woodsprite Feb 2017 #40
That is a good idea! BlueJac Feb 2017 #46
Can I second that? BlueJac Feb 2017 #45
RESIST! BlueJac Feb 2017 #48
fuck them all Alternative Facts Feb 2017 #49
You have to understand...librarians are a force to be dealt with!!! Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 #77
First of all.. how could 1/3 of the NEA vote for that fascist sexual pervert?! Cha Feb 2017 #57
Because many have spouses who make a ton of money and are Republican. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #70
I'm still teaching and nearing retirement, which I am very thankful for adigal Feb 2017 #60
As a retired principal here, I am apalled. Lifelong Protester Feb 2017 #73
We did, too. Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 #76
This is literally one of the worst nominees EVER. Tatiana Feb 2017 #78
School Vouchers (education discount coupons) are a dishonest ploy to achieve 4 things: King_Klonopin Feb 2017 #79
Your list is right on target, especially the first 2 items. nt raccoon Feb 2017 #83
I am retired from the Retail Sector Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #81
Makes you wonder DownriverDem Feb 2017 #89
Agreed Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #91
Let's go after the sp PeopleAgainstHate Feb 2017 #90

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
6. Neither did I.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:03 PM
Feb 2017

I came into the field a few years after IDEA was enacted. I weep for the children and educators who will be swept under the bus.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
5. The word 'special' in your post is superfluous...
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 03:57 PM
Feb 2017

Corrected version...

I am 100% sure that the GOP wants to destroy education

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
47. they want the money that education brings in and teach
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 06:30 PM
Feb 2017

their garbage in their for-profit schools and then walk away leaving no schools except religious

BBG

(2,535 posts)
92. No, they celebrate ignorance
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:34 AM
Feb 2017

And want an ignorant electorate that is so much easier to manipulate and take advantage of.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
102. that is so true
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:25 PM
Feb 2017

I read a quote the other day.

What is the dangerous man in the world? A black man with a library card.
I thought it should any man or woman with a library card

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Charles Koch wants to destroy mandatory education period,
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:11 PM
Feb 2017

not just for those with special needs but for all. And, of course, with it the compulsory taxes that pay for it and the systems created to provide it. Betsy DeVose much the same for religious reasons.

Sick as this makes me, I can only imagine how people who've made education their life's work are feeling.

Hopefully, this will create a backlash on the right that not only protects public education but resurrects the traditional conservatism those like the Kochs have worked so long to eradicate. After all, nearly half our nation is conservative by nature; many have been corrupted into the worst possible versions of themselves, but their basic natures have not been destroyed.

“What is conservatism? Is it not the adherence to the old and tried against the new and untried?”-- Abraham Lincoln

Go hug a conservative and tell him what's happening. For sure, the "alternative facts" shows they're addicted to will not.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
13. I just hope for 2 things.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:14 PM
Feb 2017

First, is that the idiots who voted for this cretin, failed to vote, or voted third party, WAKE THE FUCK UP.
Second, is that we still can vote and have our votes counted.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. We only need a fraction to wake the fuck up, and hopefully
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:27 PM
Feb 2017

the seismic events epicentered in Trump's White House will accomplish that.

But I wasn't really joking about hugging a conservative, smile and chat on the streets, invite them to dinner. But choose ones who have potential. Some are hopeless and will spend their last years hissing "Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton" at caretakers from their wheelchairs.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
84. if repukes didn't wake up after eight years of Dubya
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 07:06 AM
Feb 2017

THEY ARE A LOST FUCKING CAUSE

Better to concentrate on the people who failed to vote.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
86. Very good point and agree with the strategy.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 07:22 AM
Feb 2017

But gently passing information to conservatives that their own "news" sources keep from them can't hurt. Perhaps they can be turned into people who don't vote. Not the angry passionate ones, but the more reasonable ones who are unhappy and worried.

I'm actually pretty hopeful about this because their own leaders are busily betraying them--still. Voting for Trump not only didn't fix that at all, it's made it far worse. The only reason the ACA, SS, VA, Medicare, USPS, etc., etc., etc., aren't already being dismantled is worry about voter backlash.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
93. 'Puke voters
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:10 AM
Feb 2017

have been getting screwed big-time since Raygun started busting unions in earnest--and yet they keep voting in the predators.

Faux Noise and Limpballs have perfected misdirecting the anger from 'puke policies onto minorities, liberals, dems, etc.

Also, 'puke politicians have diligently worked to hide the consequences of their actions thru legislative sleight-of-hand, e.g. disguising SS cuts as age raises.

Dunno what it will take to wake up the low-information crowd.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
94. Scary situation. At this point the best the worst of
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:38 AM
Feb 2017

the puke voters, the virulent ones, could do would be to continue to turn on their own, which they did as tea-partiers by trying to shut down the government against the Kochs' wishes and now by electing Trump so he could attack "the establishment" for them.

Those certainly aren't the ones we should invest effort in trying to reach. They long ago replaced their passionate fear and hate of communism and foreigners during the cold war era with hatred of Democrats and liberals. But they could work for us anyway. They are trained attack dogs, and perhaps this time their reactions will finally tear the right apart.

But then there are all the others--indoctrinated but not nearly so extreme or hostile that they can't worry that the chat they're hearing in the lunch room might well be true. We only need 2 or 3% to vote with us to change everything.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Isn't it a little early to grab our ankles, etc?
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 07:14 PM
Feb 2017

I mean,...really?? We're fucked as soon as the going gets tough?

No.

And, btw, it will only take a few on the right to also just say no to change everything. Go drop an occasional little bee in a conservative's ear. Friendly and innocently, of course. But one of many they won't have heard.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
55. As soon as the going gets tough? Have you been around the last quarter century?
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 07:41 PM
Feb 2017

this shit didn't suddenly occur on November 8th.

IT has been building my entire adult life, and not for nothing, but I put in the work for about 10 years, including going on the ballot and serving in office.

But, we have been fighting the forces of conservative bullshit my since I graduated from HS, late 80s to now, and the best we have been able to do it stem the slide from time to time.

Going get tough ...

They had the majority of state legislatures and governorships on November 8th, the had a near mortal hold on the House of Representatives. The best we were going to do is get Hill elected with a small margin in the senate, and probably have armed rebellion when she actually tried to seat a supreme court justice.

This country elected Donald Fucking Trump POTUS.

Yeah, there is some actual energy from the liberal base now, but it is literally a day late and a dollar short.

We have no recourse, no power at any level to do anything about it, and the Rs are more radical, extreme in their views and totally uninhibited by any moral standards of public service.

WE are fucked, it is only a matter of how fucked we are.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
58. Exactly how many times did YOU worry that
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:06 PM
Feb 2017

the grocery store wouldn't have been stocked next time you went there? If the water would be running tomorrow? Or next year? How many times have you planned your next vacation without realizing your home might well be gone when you returned?

This America-the-land-of-slaves-and-victims attitude was developed by the very same people trying to destroy what is good in our nation--by destroying belief in it. Kochsters who insisted freedom and democracy were already lost. After all, who'd fight to save what's already lost and not worth saving?

And you spout these defeated lies even as you tippety-tap on your kepboard from the safety and comfort of your home.

My suggest: Look around. Listen up. Engage brain.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
66. WTF are you babbling about?
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:58 PM
Feb 2017

You want to believe, so be it.

But, save the sanctimonious bullshit.

I put my blood sweat and tears on the line for 10 years rolling up my sleeves, and put the betterment of my family to a certain extend on hold, while I tried to get into a position try to stem this shit ...

It is bigger than me, and frankly everyone here.

There is a LOT of stupid out there.

I fought the good fight, but found out not only could I not get the horse to drink the water, I could not even get the horse to it.


DK504

(3,847 posts)
29. The Kocks
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:20 PM
Feb 2017

want to bring back child labor. That's one of their think tank ideas, make children work, like 1890. I'm sure they would then try to get rid of building code regs and get rid of OSHA.

Rhiannon12866

(205,218 posts)
43. My grandmother was a teacher, started at a one room school in the early 1900s
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 06:08 PM
Feb 2017

She once told me about a pair of brothers who were hired out to work at local farms. When finals came, she was able to prevail on the employers to let one of the brothers off to come to school that day, but the other brother was forced to stay on the farm and work. After all these years, she started crying over that boy. She's been gone since 1998, I can't imagine what she would think now...

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
50. That's really sad.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 06:54 PM
Feb 2017

And I'm sure it happened all the time. My grandfather got a 6th grade education and then left school to go to work. He was such a smart man and I am sure he wished he could have gone on. He was fascinated by my math homework.

Rhiannon12866

(205,218 posts)
56. She kept up with some of her students and I visited some with her.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 07:57 PM
Feb 2017

She was born in Schuylerville and her first job in that one room schoolhouse was in Northumberland. My aunt and I looked for it once and thought we found the building. It was across the road from her grandmother's house. She cared for her ailing grandmother at the time and could see the house from the schoolhouse. If her grandmother was in trouble, she put a cloth in the window, at least that's what she told me...

She said that back then women had a choice of being a teacher or a nurse and, for her, the choice was easy. She took the teacher's exams at 17 during the 1918 flu epidemic when she was unwell. Some of her students in that school were older than she was. She remained a teacher all her life, I learned a lot from her since it wasn't just her profession, but a real calling...

Useless in FL

(329 posts)
96. That IS really sad....
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:36 PM
Feb 2017

My grandfather was born in upper NY state, the 13th and last child whose mother died shortly after giving birth. My great grandfather couldn't care for him so he was indentured to an uncle in Delaware. He also had to drop out of school in the 6th grade to work. He always told me how important an education was and loved to work math problems with me even when I studied algebra and geometry.

I sure hope our country is not going to return these days.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. Oh, my. I've read, not experienced by extension as you have,
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 07:25 PM
Feb 2017

that many children were given for labor, sometimes effectively as slaves, to others because their parents became too destitute to support them. The rest of the family often moved on, never to be joined again. Of course, only SOME treated these children badly for that era. Others were decent. But they were all before the new safety net programs were supported by many like your grandmother who lived those tragedies. Programs it's our time to really, really fight for.

(Perhaps that other boy ultimately lived a happy life, though. Let's hope.)

Rhiannon12866

(205,218 posts)
59. That's what my grandmother told me
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:08 PM
Feb 2017

Some of these families were so poor that they hired their children out and it was just the luck of the draw where they ended up. Of course, this was well before Roosevelt, my grandmother took the teacher's exam in 1918 during the flu epidemic. She got sick, but was healthy enough to survive it. Her mother died when she was 13 so she was fortunate to live with her grandmother. And she always remembered those first students, some of whom were older than she was, and some of their stories broke her heart. She knew that an education, even back then, could make all the difference for them...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
61. Wow. Astonishing how our worlds change in such a
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:24 PM
Feb 2017

really, really brief period. My grandmother was a mother of 3 in 1918, but she lived on the other side of the country and died before I was aware enough to ask her about things like the great flu epidemic. How terrifying it must have been. Like yours, though, so recently past that she actually lived in that incredibly different world and I actually knew her personally.

Rhiannon12866

(205,218 posts)
63. I know!
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:33 PM
Feb 2017

It was a much different world back then. My grandmother was born in 1900 and saw so many changes that it's mind boggling! She married in 1923 and had 4 children, a girl and 3 boys. My Dad was the oldest boy and I was so fortunate to have been especially close to her. My grandfather died young, when my Dad was only 12, but she valued education and all of her kids graduated from college.

There's so much that I still wish I could ask her. I realize that my life could be much different if it wasn't for her. She told me once that if she was born now that she'd want to become an environmentalist...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
87. That last makes me smile too. I suspect my
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 07:34 AM
Feb 2017

grandmother would also. She was a very intelligent and educated woman who saw two of her three children through college in the 19-teens and 20s, but as a woman with a strong German accent in those days she couldn't have gotten an appropriate job. She needed one because she divorced her husband for reasons never divulged--unheard of in her society! So she dug up her half-plus acre and went to work growing flowers for the cut flower trade. On the bus every morning in the small hours to deliver them to the central city. This enterprise even apparently supported her through the Depression, though what on earth she did during Spokane's ferocious winters I never thought to ask. Her garden was a delight to visit when I was small and she was still at it, though. My aunt never understood why she also grew flowers she couldn't sell, and my grandmother always complained about how much space the lilac hedge around two sides took up but never removed a single plant.

Sadly, her younger descendants, who had far better opportunities, thanks in part to her, and who all hire gardening services and throw around more money in a month than she did in a lifetime, aren't nearly as impressed with her as I am (somewhat embarrassed, actually), but I hope respect will grow as they get older.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
23. I'm not surprised. They don't want to even see them in public. One school
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:10 PM
Feb 2017

my daughter went to put butcher's paper over all the windows of the special ed class. And there was a letter in the newspaper that said "our normal children should not have to look at the handicapped kids". That was many years ago but I doubt things have changed. It was in Texas.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. No, they don't. Demonizing normal people is
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:30 PM
Feb 2017

something people do to justify abandoning standards of decent behavior toward those others, and unfortunately those who voted for Trump ARE deplorably normal.

Just look at what insisting Hillary is an evil witch has done to those who would set her on fire if they could, or at least cheer on those who run to hear her screams. I strongly suggest resisting the indulgence.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. Look around you. They're everywhere you are
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:51 PM
Feb 2017

and everywhere you go. And, yes, they are normal people. And, yes, evil is so common as to be banal. It's the insurance clerk who informs claimants that the piles of bills to be paid have not been received when they're alphabetized in a file right behind her chair, or that coverage for chemotherapy hasn't been determined yet when the form letter denying coverage for the recommended drugs is already in the computer--because those are "standard procedure." Evil drearily, boringly banal.

Now, I'd estimate that about 20-30% of the right, so about 10-15% of all, are outright despicable, and some of those even depraved. But today's conservative deplorables are just running with their crowd, mostly willfully ignorant people infected with the mood of the times and reacting according to their very ordinary conservative natures. They think they're being good.

Despite that, we can win enough away from the despicables, just a few percent, to make all the difference. But we won't do it by knowing that yet choosing to instead spit in their faces--another evil which would be so common as to be banal. Normal, ordinary evil--but this time ours.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
71. After Katrina, this white female Aryan supermodel CFO told me
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 09:32 PM
Feb 2017

that the people who remained in New Orleans 'deserved' whatever happened to them, because they did not obey the Mayor's command to leave. She was basically saying they deserved to die. I didn't spit in her face, although I probably should have. Instead, I walked out two days later.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
88. I walked out because the CEO (a male) seemed like a raving lunatic. I did not let her know why,
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 08:45 AM
Feb 2017

although I now wish I had denounced her publicly. At the time this happened, I was still hoping the job would work out.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
85. Classic authoritarian conservatism. It's in the Bible, you
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 07:09 AM
Feb 2017

know, and other religions, but it comes from the basic nature of conservatives. If man has any responsibility at all, he has it all. Otherwise, how could they justify their loving god's sentencing people to eternity in a lake of fire for, really, incredibly small offenses considering the penalty?

All responsibility for his fate is the person's, not God's, and they bring that mindset to the secular hierarchy. Authorities in general, cops, product manufacturers, even bus drivers, are given free passes for their contribution to injury in order to protect and preserve the authorities and society's structure. To do that, they scramble to find a way to pin even a bit of responsibility on the victim. And once THAT's established...

I truly can't understand it, but at least we now know our brains are literally wired differently. But we also know that not all conservatives are the same. Not all are even authoritarian, and many others ruled very little by it. And large numbers of us, most of us actually, hold various mixtures of conservative and liberal beliefs.

Whether people want to admit it these days or not, our common ground is huge.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
101. We had a group of "reformers" get elected to my kids' school district BOE
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:01 PM
Feb 2017

This was back in 2009 when they became the majority and hired a Friedman Foundation darling superintendent. So charters and vouchers were their focus. What they planned but were shut down by an irate parent community is they were going to take the recently vacated public library and turn it into a SPED school. We don't know if the students already in their home schools would have transferred there. If they would only take new special needs students.

After a huge protest and community outrage, they dropped it. But something tells me now with Betsy De Vos, they will again try to segregate these kids

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
2. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 03:55 PM
Feb 2017

What did they think was going to happen? I hate it for our children and the ones who voted against Twitler, the others deserve everything they are going to get.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
37. The NEA reminds me of the AMA.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:45 PM
Feb 2017

Both institutions are refuge to people who believe the world of "Happy Days" was some kind of utopia.

I worked with a teacher like that. She refused to join the more aggressive teachers union and taught like it was 1955.



She was proud to be "colorblind" and I'm sure she was. When she looked out upon her ethnically diverse classes I'm certain she saw them all as white. It was her way of coping with a world she no longer understood.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
99. The OP was about numbers.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 03:01 PM
Feb 2017

Apparently one in three voted for Trump which is pretty consistent with the general U.S. population.

More aggressive teachers unions had a lower percentage of Trump voters.

Yes, everything else is anecdotal.

I'm not anti-NEA at all, but I am concerned they could be captured, just as the AMA was captured by the Pharmaceutical, Hospital, and Insurance industries, or the NRA was captured by the gun industry.

I've got nothing against private schools so long as they are not publicly funded at the expense of public schools, and they offer a reality-based curriculum, for example that evolution is a core aspect of biology, the earth is not 6000 years old or flat, the moon landings were not a hoax, and Noah didn't leave the dinosaurs behind...

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
10. That 1/3 figured without ESL students they could phone it in
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:04 PM
Feb 2017

Value dedicated teachers and administrators.

Former School Board member in TX (during Gov W). We are seeing the culmination of a long process to steal the future and create a permanent underclass.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,174 posts)
21. What will the underclass do when automation takes their jobd
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:06 PM
Feb 2017

Many of those jobs at or near minimum wage will be the first to go; fast food, retail. It seems to me they are making more of something that we won't be needing much longer.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
11. The President of the teachers union at my school is a Repug
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:04 PM
Feb 2017

I'm sure he voted for DFT. Why??? He's not an anti-choice nut. Doesn't he get that his party would end his union in a hot minute? Want to scream when I see him.
Kind of ironically, he's a good union president, has done a great job with negotiations. Go figure.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
28. There WERE Jews who voted for Hitler, for economic reasons.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:20 PM
Feb 2017

Hitler didn't campaign on concentration camps and murder.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
31. Im aware. And just as the union Prez does a good job as head of the union, I'm
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:23 PM
Feb 2017

sure most of those Jews were observant.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
68. Makes absolutely no sense!
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 09:24 PM
Feb 2017

I honestly am beginning that thing they've put something in the water or learned to literally hypnotize people through the tv machine.

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
14. I know a couple teachers that voted for Cheeto.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:16 PM
Feb 2017

I was gobsmacked when I found out. I didn't realize how brainwashed they had become.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. The one third that voted for Trump expect the "others"
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:17 PM
Feb 2017

To loose. They feel no empathy unless they get directly affected.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
20. I was also a k-12 librarian. I live in az where we have had many
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:56 PM
Feb 2017

Charter schools. A big one across the street from me just closed after being there for years. There has been a lot of wasted, unaccounted for money, not to mention they do not track student progress. I have been thinking about people like us forming our own schools. Glad my kids have long graduated. I would not want them to be religiously indoctrinated.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
24. It's not just
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:13 PM
Feb 2017

.....about special needs. It's about rewriting history. About not telling the truth about slavery, Native Americans, Labor, Jim Crow, Economics, Government.

It's about destroying critical thinking.

It's about making education a vehicle for propaganda in ways that can't even be examined.

It's about white 1% privilege becoming the only universe knowable.

Yes, we're in the middle of a soft coup. And this is the aspect of it that's a coup against our children's minds.

bluehen

(8 posts)
25. The mood was very somber today at the public school where I teach...
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:14 PM
Feb 2017

There were a few teachers who were Trump voters and they were complaining about DeVos. I told them they didn't get to complain. They voted for a man who bashed public education throughout his entire campaign.

I am absolutely sick over DeVos running the Department of Education. Plus, the condescending email I got from Toomey in response to my calls and letters. He said she would be great for public education and for parents who want good schools for their children.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
74. Oh, God...
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:01 AM
Feb 2017

Toomey...what a piece of garbage...we are in SW PA. His voice box is always full. Doesn't give a rat's ass about his constituents.

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
82. Good for you. Make them own it! nt
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 06:29 AM
Feb 2017
I told them they didn't get to complain. They voted for a man who bashed public education throughout his entire campaign.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
95. Got the same letter..........
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:30 PM
Feb 2017

sent one back - told him that the DeVos $60,500 let him sell his soul (of course, I realize he doesn't really have one!) to screw over public schools.

You are right - he is a sanctimonious A$$!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. When teachers are attacked by the right as the enemy, and part of the problem,
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:18 PM
Feb 2017

and when schools for the bottom 90% are subject to constant defunding, is it any wonder that democracy suffers?

DeVos is part of Trump's commitment to the GOP's agenda items of defunding everything but prisons and the military and privatizing all that government does.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
30. one word for you
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:21 PM
Feb 2017

WISCONSIN. I have been telling you guys since Nov 8th...the country will now become my burned to the ground state.

riversedge

(70,187 posts)
32. I know how you feel. My family has been for unions--many
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:25 PM
Feb 2017

are or have been correction officers. Gov Walker here is WI took away our state unions and then smacked us a few years late with Right to work. health insurance went up dramatically. Most workers lost about 3-4 thousand dollar a year

Yet, lots of folks--voted for trump-former union members. I can not comprehend it and have lost work companions and friends. We just do not talk anymore.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
33. It's all part of their plan
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:30 PM
Feb 2017

to create cheap uneducated labor and ignorant voters. Both are necessary to the survival of the Republican party.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
34. They need to destroy education. The stupid is their only hope.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:35 PM
Feb 2017

I hope the NEA gets everything they voted for.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
104. The OP indicates 2/3 for Clinton
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 06:56 PM
Feb 2017

Which is a number I have heard. Do you have different stats?

Should it be higher? Yes. I am not happy that 1/3 of my union brothers and sisters voted for Trump, but 67% for Clinton is pretty clear support for the Dem candidate.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
105. I wasn't commenting on what the OP states, I was commenting on the many things I have read, that
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 08:36 PM
Feb 2017

go against what was stated in the OP.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
108. So, no, you have nothing with real numbers.
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 09:53 AM
Feb 2017

That's what I take from that.

I have read nothing that has come close to even half of NEA members voting for Trump. NOTHING. If you have something, would love to read it.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
110. Yeah, if that makes you happy, go ahead and think that.
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 12:08 PM
Feb 2017

The fact that you can't provide one link to ALL of these things you are reading about how teachers voted for Trump is very telling.

Because here's what I "didn't" read:
1/5 AFT teachers and 1/3 NEA teachers voted for Trump Which I will freely admit is too much, but 20% is not near the numbers you are indicating. Though the lower numbers in AFT is as would be expected.

So, again, your lack of an ability to provide any different numbers should make it pretty clear to those reading that you are full of it and have nothing. Though, yeah, the 10 seconds it would take you to do a Google search and get those numbers that are apparently all over the place, is a pretty taxing requirement.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
111. You need to read further, because you are incorrect.
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 12:38 PM
Feb 2017
Despite early and eager endorsements of Clinton by both unions, the nation’s school teachers and other school workers contributed substantially to Trump’s Nov. 8 win.

How substantially? About one in five American Federation of Teachers (AFT) members who cast a ballot voted for Trump, the union’s leader estimated. Among the larger National Education Association (NEA), which comprises more than 3 million members, more than one in three who voted did so for the billionaire developer, early data show.


Which shows a large plurality voted for Clinton.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/23/election-unions-teachers-clinton-trump/94242722/
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
35. from trump to devoss and pub school privatization depends on 88 universities
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:41 PM
Feb 2017

and a bunch of other schools that have supported more than 257 limbaugh stations while they spewed public school hate for 30 years

These 88 universities are Trump allies. Students and scientists can protest right on campus.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
36. There are many public schools in R districts
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:41 PM
Feb 2017

Pat Toomey voted for DeVos, but he forgets just how many little public schools there are in the areas of Pennsylvania that voted to re-elect him. For every big urban (think Philly, Pgh, Harrisburg) school that's hurt there are many more small rural schools that will be hurt much worse. Schools like Everett, Tussey Mtn, Chestnut Ridge, North Star, Coudersport, Port Allegheny, Brockway, Karns City, Mt Carmel, Dunmore and so on.

The folks in these towns love their local schools, go to football, basketball, baseball, wrestling, support the band and the chorus and the yearly high school musical. This is what will be hurt and Dems should remind them of that.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
67. The RW hypnotists will convince them it's the D's fault. That's pretty much
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 09:17 PM
Feb 2017

how we got in this mess in the first place. RW propaganda machine brainwashed them into believing that the Dems are a thousand times worse than anything the Rs ever did. With Hillary eating babies and all, what else could they do?

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
100. I think not
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 03:55 PM
Feb 2017

Schools are very local and personal issue. Communities take a great deal of pride in the achievements of their sons, daughters, grandkids, nieces, nephews, friends and neighbors. The charter school law language here in PA is one of the worst in the country. Fixing the charter school law is a bi-partisan issue because so much money is being sucked out of ALL the state's public schools. The GOP can't ignore it because it affects their constituents as much, if not more, than everyone else.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
75. We are from SW PA
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:05 AM
Feb 2017

Pennsylvania was always known for its support of public education and our wonderful system. I was there for the best of times. My heart is broken.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
38. As the parent of a special needs child
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:45 PM
Feb 2017

there are no words to describe my disgust and fury.

How long before special needs children are required to wear a big yellow D sewn to their clothing?

Nah, something like that could never happen in the good ol' US of A.

woodsprite

(11,911 posts)
40. I guess I'll start collecting textbooks to add to my banned books collection
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:48 PM
Feb 2017

so my grand kids will be able to read alternative texts to what the privatized theocracy will be pushing.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
57. First of all.. how could 1/3 of the NEA vote for that fascist sexual pervert?!
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:04 PM
Feb 2017

This is terrible.. my sister is a retired teacher too and guidance councelor. I'm sure she's glad she's out but hurts for her colleagues.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
60. I'm still teaching and nearing retirement, which I am very thankful for
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:10 PM
Feb 2017

I am just sick over this also. Ugh. But remember...we are in the majority. We need to step up, register everyone we can find who is a Dem, get them to the polls. We can't lose 2018. We just can't.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
73. As a retired principal here, I am apalled.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 10:55 PM
Feb 2017

I wrote letters, I called several times. This woman is a terrible, unqualified choice.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
78. This is literally one of the worst nominees EVER.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:10 AM
Feb 2017

I'm still a bit stunned. I still recall her smirk that wordlessly conveyed that she didn't need to have actual knowledge or experience because she was, like, a billionaire and had purchased all the votes she needed.

The Republicans are ruthlessly methodical when they gain power. I hope Democrats are taking notes. No more Republicans in a Democratic administration.

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
79. School Vouchers (education discount coupons) are a dishonest ploy to achieve 4 things:
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:37 AM
Feb 2017

1) Racial re-segregation of schools, leaving poor people of color behind in abandoned school systems.

2) Pocketing the money that taxpayers spend on education, which averages $10,700 per student!!

3) Creating more "private" schools, which can operate outside the reach of Constitutional restrictions,
resulting in conservative-ideological indoctrination mills.

4) A misinformed, brainwashed, ignorant generation of voters.


I am a product of public school education. I have two degrees from public universities in Massachusetts,
back when tuition was $500 and $800 per semester respectively (1978-1988). As a teenager, I was a
member of an organization (DeMolay) that held the tenet that public education was an essential pillar of
equality which makes this country great. I am more qualified to be the Sec. of Education than Betsy Devos,
the woman who will INTENTIONALLY neglect, undermine and abandon public education.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
89. Makes you wonder
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:16 AM
Feb 2017

Well as much as I don't want us all to be hurt, I truly want the trumpsters to be hurt. They really need to understand what their vote did to all of us. Union voters who vote repub have a death wish.

90. Let's go after the sp
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:20 AM
Feb 2017

One of the ways these swine got in power was through the pervasive peddling of vicious lies via the pro-Trump radical-right tabloids. Their vicious headlines blare at us as we - and those who have malleable minds - stand in line at the grocery store. As consumers we need to demand that the stores where we shop quit carrying those fake-news rags. PLEASE sign our MoveOn petition:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/stop-selling-hate-filled?source=c.fwd&r_by=17478167

And here is a link to an article from Politico that lays it all out about how those tabloids help elect Trump and his kind. If you don't want to read the whole article, please at least read this one paragraph from it:

It’s easy to imagine that tabloids don’t matter; the Enquirer is a relatively small voice in the media kingdom . . . But that misses the importance of the constant cultural background noise it adds to American life: There are 37,000 supermarkets in America, with an average of about 10 checkout stands each, and many stands feature a wire rack displaying the Enquirer, the Globe, often the company’s other tab, the National Examiner, and celebrity magazines. According to an industry study, American households make an average of 1.5 trips to the supermarket each week. Every customer passes by the checkout stand, which means that even people who never purchase a tabloid still absorb the ambient headlines, and those headlines can shape their view of the world.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/tabloid-newspapers-trump-media-propaganda-214627

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