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Is there any chance of taking back the Senate in 2018? (Original Post) MoonRiver Feb 2017 OP
Is there a strong democratic organization .. ananda Feb 2017 #1
8 GOP seats are up yeoman6987 Feb 2017 #7
We can do that! ananda Feb 2017 #10
Thanks! That definitely does not sound impossible! MoonRiver Feb 2017 #15
Of those states, only Nevada (and maybe AZ) is a possible chance of a picking up a seat. Lurks Often Feb 2017 #27
Yes, but..... machoneman Feb 2017 #2
It won't be easy. femmocrat Feb 2017 #3
Sure. But, it will take a very strong GOTV effort MineralMan Feb 2017 #4
VERY tall order leftynyc Feb 2017 #5
No. exboyfil Feb 2017 #6
Can we pick off seats in AZ and NV? Tatiana Feb 2017 #8
We need to tie Trump to Republicans everywhere Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #14
It will depend how far and how fast old guy Feb 2017 #9
I'm also hoping that Holder and Kander .. ananda Feb 2017 #11
Gerrymandering does not affect US senate seats crazycatlady Feb 2017 #12
Unfortunately its unlikely... The House is more realistic. Joe941 Feb 2017 #13
You are right Joe, however, it is still critical that we get out the vote to prevent still_one Feb 2017 #18
I have some hope. What Is Going On Feb 2017 #16
If you want realistically, here are the numbers. 33 of the 100 seats in the Senate will be conteste still_one Feb 2017 #17
Breaking even would be a win, given the map. geek tragedy Feb 2017 #19
Historically, the party out of power (i.e. not my President) always picks up seats HoneyBadger Feb 2017 #20
Realistically? Not a great chance. Orrex Feb 2017 #21
Do you really think we will be allowed to vote by then? tavernier Feb 2017 #22
I am VERY worried about that. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #24
I believe that six MichMary Feb 2017 #23
Depends on maggot MFM008 Feb 2017 #25
No. Taking back the house, even with the gerrymandering, is more likely.... Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #26
Not sure, one thing I am CERTAIN of however is if anybody votes Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #28
If the people flooding the senate phonelines remember Retrograde Feb 2017 #29
It's going to be an uphill battle eissa Feb 2017 #30
Remember The Heavy Anti-Republican Sentiment Of 2008 ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2017 #31
It is possible. Think 1994 in reverse. MarvinGardens Feb 2017 #32
You cannot stop people from voting 3rd party. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #33

ananda

(28,854 posts)
1. Is there a strong democratic organization ..
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:15 AM
Feb 2017

.. present in places all over each state where a senator is defending a seat?

If there is, then yes, we could do it.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
7. 8 GOP seats are up
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:26 AM
Feb 2017

Arizona, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming are the GOP senators up in 2018.


Democratic senators are up in 23 seats and two independent seats in Vermont and Maine.



.
If we can keep the 25 seats and gain three of the GOP seats, we have majority

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
27. Of those states, only Nevada (and maybe AZ) is a possible chance of a picking up a seat.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:44 PM
Feb 2017

Even if there is buyers remorse over Trump in those states, it isn't likely that it will cause the voters in those states to suddenly start voting Democratic. Of course a lot can change between now and them, but barring some surprise, it's probable that the Republicans will pick up seats in 2018.

"Democrats in Republican territory: West Virginia, North Dakota, Montana, Missouri, Indiana" link: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-face-tough-senate-map-in-2018/

Putting a lot of pressure on the Senators in WV, ND, MT, MO & IN to vote in lockstep with the more liberal elements of the Democratic Party in the Senate will only increase their chances of losing in 2018

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
2. Yes, but.....
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:21 AM
Feb 2017

...it's a tall order as we must keep every single seat Dems currently hold and gain at least three more (safety in numbers).

Oddly, one thing that give me hope and I didn't see it coming is this huge and late-dawning groundswell in red states, yes red states, where the voters are up in arms about the Republiscums repealing Obamacare, or the ACA as those dummies call it otherwise. If they lose its benefits, those madder-than-hell voters may even throw out their RW Senators.

Still, we need to put up good candidates, candidates that fight for the voter's rights and not Wall St. Big Business and the ultra-rich.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
3. It won't be easy.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:21 AM
Feb 2017

The repubs have to defend only 10 seats, while the democrat have to fight for 23, plus the two independents!

I googled "senate outlook 2018" and found several articles. Here is one: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/306210-10-senate-seats-that-could-flip-in-2018

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
4. Sure. But, it will take a very strong GOTV effort
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:22 AM
Feb 2017

in every state where a Senate seat is up for election. It won't be easy, but it could happen. It will all depend on whether we can turn out Democratic voters in large enough numbers.

We could also take the House, if we do that. Democrats are not famous for turning out in mid-term elections, so we will have to reverse that to have any chance.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. VERY tall order
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:23 AM
Feb 2017

We're defending far more seats and many are in "red" states. But with a strong message, strong candidates and a great GOTV effort, it could be done.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
6. No.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:26 AM
Feb 2017

Too many Senate seats to defend. This presupposes that we don't have a disaster in the next two years that can be tied to the Republicans. Problem is some of the more likely scenarios can be pawned off on Obama.

Any terrorist attack in the U.S. will be blamed on Obama or the current efforts to stop the EO. Perhaps a right wing U.S. terrorist attack will blow back but no other, and they really don't have a reason to attack.

Getting our butts kicked by China and/or Iran - Obama let military readiness diminish. If we are successful in any such conflict, then it is because of Trump. Kind of harkens back to Rumsfeld blaming Clinton because the military was not ready for Iraq.

Perhaps an economic disaster - again what Trump does in the next two years may be difficult to blame on him and the Republicans.

Perhaps some gross incompetence in some federal department. Unfortunately anything bad that will happen in Education and HUD will be considered a benefit for the Republicans anyway. Perhaps Perry screwing up in Energy, but I see that as a longer term impact.

I think we stand a better chance in the House, but still not much of a chance.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
8. Can we pick off seats in AZ and NV?
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:27 AM
Feb 2017

I think Nevada is doable.

We have a lot of seats to defend, but ultimately I think WV will keep Manchin.

It's not likely that we will take it back, but anything is possible. If we pin Trump to every Republican running for office, there is the chance that his disapproval rating will sink them, too.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,399 posts)
14. We need to tie Trump to Republicans everywhere
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:33 AM
Feb 2017

A lot of the states we are defending are in Trump-won states but if his popularity continues a downhill slide and he keeps inflaming people, who knows? The key will be getting Democrats out to the polls and defending our Senators and seeing if we can pick up some seats. We did great in 2006 and George W. Bush wasn't even as big of a flaming dumpster fire as Trump already is.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
9. It will depend how far and how fast
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:27 AM
Feb 2017

tRump and the repubs push their radical agenda. If they continue as they are, it may be very possible.

ananda

(28,854 posts)
11. I'm also hoping that Holder and Kander ..
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:30 AM
Feb 2017

.. and of course, all of us, force Reeps to
pull back on voter suppression and gerrymandering!

We can do this!

still_one

(92,110 posts)
18. You are right Joe, however, it is still critical that we get out the vote to prevent
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:46 AM
Feb 2017

a filibuster proof Senate under republican control


What Is Going On

(30 posts)
16. I have some hope.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:37 AM
Feb 2017

One of my FB friends is a life-long Republican. She posted today that she's had it with Republicans, and is going to register as an Independent. Devos being confirmed sent her over the edge. I believe the extreme positions of this administration has brought the batshit crazy nature of the Republicans into stark relief.

still_one

(92,110 posts)
17. If you want realistically, here are the numbers. 33 of the 100 seats in the Senate will be conteste
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:44 AM
Feb 2017

Democrats have 23 seats up for reelection + 2 independents who vote with the Democrats

republicans only have 8 seats up for reelection.

The 2016 election was the most critical election of our lifetime, and we lost EVERYTHING.

Every Democrat running for Senate in a swing state lost to the establishment republican incumbent.

The republicans now control 52 seats in the Senate, and have on 8 seats to be contested in 2018

The Democrats now control 46 seats + 2 independents, and have 23 seats +2 for 25 seats to be contested in 2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2018

The numbers do NOT look good for the Democrats in the Senate. It is not impossible, but it isn't good.

The reason why 2018 midterms is so critical is because there is a real possibility that the republicans could pull off a filbuster proof Senate, and we cannot allow that to happen. That is why those 47% who were eligible to vote in 2016, but decided not to, had better

Orrex

(63,185 posts)
21. Realistically? Not a great chance.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:51 AM
Feb 2017

Every allegedly regretful Trump voter who now doesn't want to take ownership of their catastrophically stupid vote in Nov 2016 will nevertheless happily vote Republican again in Nov 2018 and Nov 2020.


The only chance we have is to inspire 2016's non-voters to go to the polls in large numbers. It's a midterm, though, so the odds aren't great.

We might also hope that generally Left-leaning "conscience" voters who fell for Stein's bullshit might actually get their heads straight and vote Democrat. Not sure about those odds, either.


The real tragedy is that the GOP is overwhelmingly likely to retain control of state legislatures by a wide margin in 2020, meaning that they'll get to fuck with the gerrymandering even further, thereby cementing their dominance well into the next decade at least.

tavernier

(12,374 posts)
22. Do you really think we will be allowed to vote by then?
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:56 AM
Feb 2017

I think our rights will be taken away by then. Just look at how the KGOP (through patsy trump) is structuring our government, making it look like their innocent hands are tied. They won't give up power once they own it, and we no longer have a media strong enough to do anything about it.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
23. I believe that six
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:09 PM
Feb 2017

of the Senate seats we will be defending are in states that went for Trump--some heavily. That is why we need to pick our battles. If people like Manchin, Tester, and Heitkamp obstruct reasonable nominees (like Gorsuch, who is certainly qualified) they will have to answer to their voters, who will probably be royally pissed off at them. It's all politics. We need to keep that in mind when we are criticizing the conserva-Dems.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
28. Not sure, one thing I am CERTAIN of however is if anybody votes
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:57 PM
Feb 2017

3rd party ever again, no.

Even if the number of 3rd party votes dont make the difference, the nonstop bashing of whoever the establishment Democratic candidate is, like Hillary in the past election, will effectively make it impossible for the D to win in many places.

We need a prime time TV show once a month titled "how the 2 party system works?

Retrograde

(10,132 posts)
29. If the people flooding the senate phonelines remember
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:59 PM
Feb 2017

how their senators ignored their wishes, and actually show up and vote, yes.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
30. It's going to be an uphill battle
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:35 PM
Feb 2017

Hopefully, whomever takes over the DNC will get their act together and start mobilizing on the ground quickly and effectively. Our only hope is to make sure we turn out in very LARGE numbers to retain the seats we have, and (if we're lucky) maybe a pick-up in Nevada, Nebraska and/or Texas. But that is a best-case scenario.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
31. Remember The Heavy Anti-Republican Sentiment Of 2008
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:56 PM
Feb 2017

In 2008, people had gotten so tired of George W. Bush and his Republican co-conspirators that they pretty much voted out anyone who had an R next to their names. I think Drumpf is going to do such a bad job that the sentiment in 2018 will be even worse than in 2008, and we'll see widespread Democratic victories all over the country, even in places where Democrats traditionally don't win. I expect Drumpf to damage the Republican "brand" so badly that they'll be in disarray for a decade. The ONLY way they don't get completely swept out of office over the next 4 years is if some of them finally wake up and decide to impeach this buffoon.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
32. It is possible. Think 1994 in reverse.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:52 PM
Feb 2017

As others have pointed out, it won't be easy. One thing I've not seen mentioned: If Trump is able to get his high import tariffs enacted, that will tank the economy. If the economy is terrible in 2018 and can be blamed on a new Republican policy, people will vote with their wallets.

Others mentioned that third parties need to go. I agree that Democrats need to understand that third party votes are damaging. But what of Republicans who would never vote D in a million years? If they come to view Republicans as economic failures, they may vote 3rd party or stay home, which would be just fine for us.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
33. You cannot stop people from voting 3rd party.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 03:59 PM
Feb 2017

However, I think we should only allow Democrats to run in our primaries.

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