In The End The GOP Will Just Repeal ACA. Do Not Believe It Will Hurt Them.

[TheMastersNemesis]

Conservatives want the ACA ended yesterday. And they do not want a replacement either. The reason I believe they will is that the GOP believes that ending ACA and screwing seniors will not hurt them. They will still gain seats because of voter amnesia, billions in money form Kochs, and election rigging. Stealing 2010, 2014 and 2016 have made them supremely confident.

Now that they have all branches they can cement political superiority in place almost permanently. That view is their belief.

[cilla4progress]

1. But if we march

In the streets?

Will they push this too far?

[TheMastersNemesis]

3. I See Little Evidence That The Marches Are Changing Any Minds In The GOP.

If the GOP is determined to be monolithic they will pass anything they want regardless of demonstrations. Even now they are saying that the protesters are paid or are just sour grapes and do not represent the main stream.

Plus they are now all in hiding in their districts or in Congress. None of the GOPPERS in Colorado show any signs of listening. If anything they are even more determined to stay deaf. Here in Colorado you cannot even get near their office if you do no agree with them.

[titaniumsalute]

14. No but we are getting reports that behind closed doors

The Republicans think they are fucked on this issue. Both Rs and Ds have been reporting that.

[wordpix]

33. R's reportedly asking Dems to work w/them on ACA -note slowdown on repeal

Even Trumpie says he might not get to it til next year---a far cry from "Day 1"

[Caliman73]

31. We aren't Marching for the GOP

We are marching to show the people who are disheartened that there are people out there fighting. We are marching to motivate people on the sidelines and on the fence that there is something happening that needs attention. We are gearing up for 2018.

The GOP has a small solid base of voters, but there are a lot of people who sit out because they don't think that their vote counts or they don't know how these policies affect them. We need to reach them, so saying that our efforts are not "affecting the GOP" is not helpful. We know that we won't change the minds of the politicians who are getting their careers lined up making big money. We are trying to change the minds of the 46 percent of eligible voters who did not vote.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. They will take Medicare and Social Security also and if we march we will be put in jail.

The judge positions are being filled with rightwing fascists, so the courts will be of no use.

The police TODAY will be given an EO that tells them, in coded ways, that minorities and protesters can be roughed up if they want.

Nah, election day it was over. I will fight like hell, dont get me wrong, but those fucking 3rd party voters and those Hillary bashers, they sealed the deal.

[wordpix]

34. only thing to do is IMPEACH

really drain the swamp

[Eliot Rosewater]

35. Pence then Ryan are in succession and they will do it faster than Fuckface

ON election day Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Unemployment, Overtime, clean air, clean water, roads, bridges, schools, unions, healthcare, all died.

I will fight for them but I know what is going to happen.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. Sadly

You are probably right in terms of their thinking. Of course, some of their own voters are going to die because of their policies and the rest might be pissed that they've made a mess of the healthcare system. I know that they have a lot of tools at their disposal to maintain power but people aren't going to forget losing their health insurance and/or having a much more difficult time obtaining needed health care (and everybody does at one point or another- in fact several times- in their lives).

[TheMastersNemesis]

5. One Can Hope That They Would Wake Up. I Wonder If That Is Possible.

Trump voters and most GOPPERS are so deeply racist and deluded they believe that they should get health care but minorities and others are NOT entitled to what they get.

[jmg257]

4. I think you are wrong. They know repealing ACA will be a disaster. Hav all ready backed WAY off

the initial threats to 'repeal and replace'.

They don't have all the elections wrapped up just yet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. What you said

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-obamacare-affordable-care-act/516006/

[jmg257]

9. Thanks! Good info...

President Trump likely surprised many supporters when he told Bill O’Reilly in their Super Bowl interview that formulating a plan to replace the Affordable Care Act was “very complicated” and might not be finalized “until sometime into next year.”

That sounded very different than during the campaign, when Trump insisted he would quickly replace Obamacare with “something terrific.” Instead, Trump and congressional Republicans are discovering why health reform eluded every president until Barack Obama narrowly muscled through the ACA. The American medical system is an enormously complex mechanism deeply susceptible to the law of unintended consequences. Changes that benefit one group almost always hurt another. Every cure seems to seed a new disease.

Obamacare has produced an imperfect record. But Republicans are plainly struggling to develop a more palatable replacement. The core problem Republicans face, as I’ve written before, is that their alternatives lower costs on younger and healthier people, many of whom vote Democratic, while raising costs and increasing risk for older and less affluent people with greater health needs—most of whom vote Republican.

[flamingdem]

17. Good points but I think they're just stalling so they don't get

whumped in the midterms.

Ideologically Ryan wants to reduce health coverage to a bare minimum for anyone who is not wealthy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. That clown is ready and willing to dismantle the safety net but he is not able.

[flamingdem]

23. Let's hope the logic of the GOP base needing ACA to

prevail. Though I'm not holding out much hope for that either.

[jumptheshadow]

16. Excellent article, and a constructive response...

...to "the sky is falling" posts that attempt to demoralize our community.

>>Conservatives view the many ACA provisions that promote risk sharing—from the mandate on individuals to buy coverage to limits on how much insurers can vary premiums based on age—as forms of government coercion that raise prices. In response, the principal Republican alternatives would all unravel that risk sharing. Many younger, healthier people might gain in that process. But even some conservative analysts agree the big losers would be older, working-age people not yet eligible for Medicare. That age group is predominantly white and now solidly Republican. Whites older than 45 provided most of Trump’s votes, and almost three-fifths of House Republicans represent districts where the median age exceeds the national average.<<

Republicans vastly underestimate the breadth and depth of the resistance to their policies. And it's not going away. It's going to get stronger as Trump voters start to realize the scope of the betrayal and as alliances shift.

Make no mistake about it: Family and the care of aging parents is an existential concern for many of rust belt voters who voted for second coming of Norman Bates. The repeal of ACA will associate the faces of family members who will suffer because of Republican policies. And yes, the resistance will probably be led by women fighting for themselves, their parents and their children. The aura of Republican invincibility is a lie. They are very vulnerable and are smug in their arrogance.

[flamingdem]

18. Good information but with Ryan etc ideology

will influence their decisions. In every plan offered more burden is put on the subscriber regardless of age. In the end they'll blame Obama.

[get the red out]

12. agree

If they repeal it, their voters will realize that their ACA WAS Obamacare all along and will finally get pissed off.

[cilla4progress]

7. I think it's a matter of time

This country is ripe for revolution or civil war. A lot of damage could be done either way.

[wiggs]

8. They are lying about how catastrophic ACA is, they will lie about

how great things are after ACA is gone.

[flamingdem]

19. Exactly, just the way Cheetolini is bragging that Yemen was a success

They will use disinformation and intimidation if anyone complains.

[TheMastersNemesis]

10. The Confirmation Hearings Show GOP Will Rule With An Iron Fist Wherever They Control.

From the local to the national level the GOP is monolithic. And they will rule with an iron fist and sanction ANYONE in their ranks who even wavers one syllable from their message. They are like ISIS you cannot leave the cult once you are in.

[AJT]

11. I think they will eventually repeal it

without a replacement. In reality the ACA doesn't cover that many voters. They will probably try to appease their poor white base by expanding some Medicaid, somehow only in red states.

[Buckeyeblue]

13. They'll repeal

They will leave in tact the no limit on pre- existing conditions but will say that insurance companies can charge those with pre- existing conditions more if a new policy is started. And being able to cover college aged young adults will still remain.

The potential increase on premiums for those with pre- existing conditions will be explained by comparing it to auto insurance. If you have too many claims, your rates go up. The goose steppers will nod in agreement.

[jumptheshadow]

20. The "goose steppers" won't nod in agreement

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Not if the Democratic parties strengthens its outreach in Rust Belt communities and hammers healthcare policy issues.

The Republicans are sitting on a timebomb.

[Buckeyeblue]

24. Potentially

How do we deal with the issues that drive these people to vote Republican? I'm talking choice, marriage equality, equal pay, smart gun control, justice....

[Johonny]

15. If it hurts them, they can always blame Trump and get away with it

Most of their voters think the president is a king. They blamed Obama for all the gridlock and they'll blame Trump for losing their health care. Meanwhile in the district by district battles at the local level they will still win because their voters are sheeple.

[flamingdem]

21. It's true that Trump shows no independence from the party line so far

At this point they'll salivating for cuts in Medicare to pay for tax cuts for the rich.

[Mariana]

25. I don't know if they will.

Did they ever blame W for any of his multitude of fuckups? To this day most of them still defend him.

[KPN]

30. I don't think they are worried -- they don't think they will need

to blame anyone (Trump included). In their minds, they have won the war. They will have permanent dominance if they get away with the current trajectory. From here out, it's all about enforcement. That's their mindset. They are ready for unrest. They are ready for revolt. They think they now have the tools to throttle it.

We need to cast off the old paradigm wherein the parties worry about political consequences. The Rs have already done that. If we don't, we lose --it's that simple. For me, the real problem is how can we defeat this? I don't see us doing it via traditional political methods. They won't let it because they have no regard for those who don't support or at least kowtow to them.

[KPN]

27. The oligarchs want the majority of the minions to die off.

It's that simple folks!

It's the only way that they can ultimately control the masses to safeguard their power and treasures. And the oligarchs are being assisted by those who believe the apocalypse is upon us, by people who actually look forward with joy to the rapture.

Civil unrest is part of the plan because they think they can defeat it if they can just control the military and the courts. That's the plan. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

Am I paranoid without reason? I don't think so. Why? Where else can this go? When one side is so unconcerned about a 50-50 split on cabinet nominations that they shove it down the losing side's throat, it can only lead in the end to one of two places -- revolt or submission.

Are we going to let them keep that boot on our neck?

[Demsrule86]

28. I disagree

People will not forget having health care ripped from them...and will want it back.

[TheMastersNemesis]

29. I Certainly Hope That Is True.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

32. That's Why It Will Be OUR Job To Keep Making The Point........

...........hey, now that Obamacare is gone, why haven't our insurance premiums gone down? All I kept hearing was that Obamacare was raising our insurance premiums through the roof, but now it's gone, so why haven't they come back down?

This has been my tactic throughout. Just every so often, innocently point out that none of the things Drumpf promised us would happen have happened, all innocent-like, as if you're truly perplexed as to why it hasn't happened yet. Sooner or later, people will start going, "Yeah, why HASN'T that happened yet?"

In the case of Obamacare, if you ask why your premiums haven't come back down, you'll either get no response whatsoever, or you'll get the best response of all: "You idiot, insurance premiums will NEVER go DOWN." Then you just sit back and say, "Exactly. Because Obamacare was never the problem; it was always the for-profit medical industry, which will never stop gouging us until we put the medical insurers out of business (cough--single payer--cough)."