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retrowire

(10,345 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 10:44 AM Feb 2017

No apologies.

But I am insane. I have since childhood had an obsession with being a hero. With being apart of something to defeat a great evil.

So when I said I was excited, emotionally stirred and motivated to fight this, I meant that with passion and love and encouragement for my fellow man.

I do not mean to trample my fellow Democrats or belittle your concerns and struggles. I see plight and evil and I still see our opportunity to change the world. I still see our chance to make things right for everyone.

Do any of you still believe that good always wins? Are you all so defeated already?

You're not defeated!

You and I are still here! Our love still remains and we are able to do so much. Do not let them impede us!

Better than I, Mr Chaplin can thoroughly explain my vigor.

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No apologies. (Original Post) retrowire Feb 2017 OP
I got your point. I don't think you need to apologize. randome Feb 2017 #1
There will be no apologies. retrowire Feb 2017 #7
I understand Tree-Hugger Feb 2017 #2
Let us unite! Nt retrowire Feb 2017 #5
I appreciated your other op. I appreciate you and your words. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #3
Thank you. This is solidarity. Nt retrowire Feb 2017 #4
i don't appreciate the callousness. glad you found the need to reiterate your point La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #6
....yep.. AuntPatsy Feb 2017 #9
Well you were the one I actually did ask for forgiveness from. retrowire Feb 2017 #10
actually you didn't ask me for forgiveness La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #11
It wasn't sarcasm. You can blame written text for that. retrowire Feb 2017 #12
and maybe you should consider how your written words play for people who are not as privileged La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #13
As usual. cwydro Feb 2017 #14
thanks. glad it's not just me who read it the way i did. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #16
Even though I apologized to them. XD retrowire Feb 2017 #17
I've read those posts several times. cwydro Feb 2017 #18
Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #19
How lovely. cwydro Feb 2017 #21
Here's my reply to your entire post. retrowire Feb 2017 #15
No apology necessary. If you are pumped up to do battle, one you didn't ask for - then good on you! jmg257 Feb 2017 #8
How is one supposed to apologize for how they feel anyway? nolabels Feb 2017 #22
That's what this is about! Thank you. Nt retrowire Feb 2017 #23
We are capable. Not defeated. Nt retrowire Feb 2017 #20
Your comment that "Germany bounced back" was, frankly, vile. The fact that people objected Squinch Feb 2017 #24
Yes indeed. Thank you. cwydro Feb 2017 #25
It's cool. There is a difference between a "big E" excitement and a "little E" excitement. Trust Buster Feb 2017 #26
I got it. You're jacked up for the fight that's in front of us. Iggo Feb 2017 #27
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. I got your point. I don't think you need to apologize.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 10:46 AM
Feb 2017

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Donald Trump's scorecard:
Muslim ban = failed. Yemen raid = failed. Approval ratings = failed.
Mexican wall = failed. Economic utopia = failed. Grade point average = 0.
[/center][/font][hr]

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
7. There will be no apologies.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 10:58 AM
Feb 2017

If people want to shout down or talk down a person that is invigorated and trying to encourage others (though my words could have been clearer in this tumultuous time) then let them.

They're only barking up the wrong tree. I am an ally. Perhaps a poorly spoken one, but an ally nonetheless.

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
2. I understand
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 10:47 AM
Feb 2017

I got what you were saying.

I am hurt, angry, and sad.....but I am not defeated nor will I be.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. I appreciated your other op. I appreciate you and your words.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 10:47 AM
Feb 2017

On rare occasion we will do battle. Then we will come out of our bunker with stronger resolve and fight against the forces of evil. I'm in this with you.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
10. Well you were the one I actually did ask for forgiveness from.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:11 AM
Feb 2017

I was apologetic, to you and only you. I was sorry for being lackadaisical with words. I acknowledged that I could have been more careful and less callous had I understood how it could come off originally.

But you proudly refused that forgiveness. So... Your post here trying to shame me for my non apologetic stance comes off as I'll tempered. As I said before, you've every right to feel the way you do. But, don't approach me mocking me for being unapologetic when you yourself would not grant the grace of forgiveness when apologized to.

In the end, we are what we are and I hold no ill will towards you. I know what I did to offend you and I know what I did to correct that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8616642

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
11. actually you didn't ask me for forgiveness
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:14 AM
Feb 2017

you sarcastically said 'Forgive me for assuming that people understood that I'm not apathetic'

when you mentioned several times through that thread about how 'Germany recovered' without showing any empathy for the millions of Jews who died.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
12. It wasn't sarcasm. You can blame written text for that.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:18 AM
Feb 2017

You can see a rude asshole in these words if you read them that way.

Right, about that Germany recovered statement. I was blankly talking about the nation of Germany and then assuming that readers wouldn't outright assume that I had no empathy for the price that was paid.

I asked forgiveness for giving readers that benefit of a doubt and thereby wording myself so lackadaisically. My bad. It sincerely was my bad. I should have been more clear. I shouldn't have assumed people would grant me the benefit of a doubt.

So yes, that was a sincere apology. The problem is, you already have this image of me in mind, that's why you assume I'm an asshole. You'll always read my words that way. This is the curse of written word without context.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
13. and maybe you should consider how your written words play for people who are not as privileged
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:20 AM
Feb 2017

as you.

many of the Germans who were not Jews were OK after WWII, this meant nothing to the millions of Jews who died.

Focusing on the state of Germany while not referencing the implications of the holocaust is extremely callous. As is this 'no apology' tour that you are now on.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
17. Even though I apologized to them. XD
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:34 AM
Feb 2017

This persistent ignorance tour is pretty remarkable.

Maybe people could read the explanations rather than persistently pounce on the original point that they misinterpreted?

Even after the asking for forgiveness, it continues.

Why?

What other reason could it be other than, "I want to be right."?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. I've read those posts several times.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:47 AM
Feb 2017

Remarkably callous, as Pri pointed out.

Now insulting those from whom you ask forgiveness?

Oh my.

Response to cwydro (Reply #18)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
21. How lovely.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:58 AM
Feb 2017

Not too long ago, you had an OP about how demoralized and depressed you were with the election.

Interesting how you've suddenly become "excited."

Fascinating.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
15. Here's my reply to your entire post.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:27 AM
Feb 2017

No shit.

I've already said all of this.

I owe you no further explanations.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
8. No apology necessary. If you are pumped up to do battle, one you didn't ask for - then good on you!
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 11:02 AM
Feb 2017

Go get 'em!!

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
22. How is one supposed to apologize for how they feel anyway?
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:08 PM
Feb 2017

(Well a few exceptions or course) To me, the difference of it is being to match new feeling with others feelings and experiences you have had in the past.

Some of the new things might outwiegh the other similar things making it feel novel.

He may be even correct because the outcome over the long run might make it important and possibly good.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
24. Your comment that "Germany bounced back" was, frankly, vile. The fact that people objected
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:29 PM
Feb 2017

does not mean that they didn't get your point, and it does not mean that they are defeated and need you to convince them not to be. It just means that you don't seem to grasp the horror of the things you are talking about.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
25. Yes indeed. Thank you.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:41 PM
Feb 2017

That was an incredibly horrifying comment, and I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one appalled.

Vietnam "bounced back" too, but none of the dead did.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
26. It's cool. There is a difference between a "big E" excitement and a "little E" excitement.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:46 PM
Feb 2017

Just a innocent misunderstanding of context. It's all good.

Iggo

(47,549 posts)
27. I got it. You're jacked up for the fight that's in front of us.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:51 PM
Feb 2017

Me, too.

I wish everyone was.

Fuck apologies.

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