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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:03 PM Feb 2017

If Trump Starts A War And Needs A Draft How Will That Work If GOP Restarts One?

It is likely there will not be enough troops if we have to send divisions overseas again. I would imagine that enlistment is down. And you wonder what would happen if the draft had to be started again.

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If Trump Starts A War And Needs A Draft How Will That Work If GOP Restarts One? (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Feb 2017 OP
Only two things will get everyone's attention quickly titaniumsalute Feb 2017 #1
If Trump starts one tazkcmo Feb 2017 #2
He will get his Surgeon General to claim that Republicans are more susceptible to bone spurs in Trust Buster Feb 2017 #3
The first people to draft are the tRump sons. Auntie Bush Feb 2017 #4
They only shoot things that cannot shoot back! justhanginon Feb 2017 #6
Ted Nugent too. He can't poop his pants out of this one. Initech Feb 2017 #21
There are strategies to resist the draft, read up on them now ck4829 Feb 2017 #5
From wikipedia: fleur-de-lisa Feb 2017 #8
Do you what you gotta do ck4829 Feb 2017 #9
how about.. sarah FAILIN Feb 2017 #15
Recruiting is not keeping up right now. safeinOhio Feb 2017 #7
60-90 days atreides1 Feb 2017 #10
Give the Republicans a couple of years to kill jobs. Orsino Feb 2017 #16
Under No Child Left Behind, schools have to give student avebury Feb 2017 #11
it would be for CA and NY only lame54 Feb 2017 #12
Then it'd be a neon sign reflection of their stupidity. HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #13
My son will get married. LeftInTX Feb 2017 #14
Unfortunately that isn't guaranteed to help. Ace Rothstein Feb 2017 #18
Thanks! Helpful info LeftInTX Feb 2017 #20
white republican christians will swamp registration offices in massive show of support LOL nt msongs Feb 2017 #17
They would lower the standards before a draft was instituted madville Feb 2017 #19
There will be no draft. former9thward Feb 2017 #22
Recruitment for the core, high-tech jobs are down. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #23

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
1. Only two things will get everyone's attention quickly
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:04 PM
Feb 2017

1. A 2008 style stock market.banking collapse.

2. A draft.

I think those are the only two things that will really start kicking oppositition into gear from the moderates and the right.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
2. If Trump starts one
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:07 PM
Feb 2017

then I can assume it's on BS grounds and the draft will include women in spite of no ERA. You'll see all domestic hell break loose, mass protests and a whole lot of draft card burning, imo.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. He will get his Surgeon General to claim that Republicans are more susceptible to bone spurs in
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:07 PM
Feb 2017

their heel and get the Defense Department to exempt those with bone spurs in their heel.

Initech

(100,059 posts)
21. Ted Nugent too. He can't poop his pants out of this one.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:07 PM
Feb 2017

And if he wants to be an armchair commando so badly, why not give him the chance to be an actual commando?

ck4829

(35,042 posts)
5. There are strategies to resist the draft, read up on them now
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:11 PM
Feb 2017

I would be really careful about signing up and having Trump, Bannon and Pizzagate Flynn have authority over me... so if a war happens and seeing they don't exactly have a friendly relationship with reality as it is, a draft very well may happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_evasion

We should support counter-recruitment starting today as well.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
8. From wikipedia:
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:23 PM
Feb 2017
So become a pot farmer or get addicted to meth!!!

Some means of draft avoidance:

Being a conscientious objector, whether one's anti-war sentiment is religious or otherwise. Peace churches, such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Mennonites, Amish, Brethren, Christian anarchists, Rastafari and Quakers, oppose any kind of military service for their members, even in non-combatant fields, but are not opposed to alternative non-uniformed civilian service. Note that many people who support conscription will distinguish between "bona fide" conscientious objection and draft dodging, which they view as evasion of military service without a valid excuse. Conscientious objection would be considered evasion if the sentiment was not genuine.

Seeking excusal from military service due to health reasons - this would be considered evasion if the purported health issue was feigned or overstated. (Malingering)

Marrying and/or fathering children, if the military in question will grant deferments to spouses and/or parents.[citation needed]

Claiming to be homosexual, when the military in question excludes homosexuals—this would be considered evasion if the claim was false, but if the potential conscript is in fact a homosexual, it would be the rules of the military body that prevent him/her from enlisting, even if he/she wished to do so.

Seeking and receiving a student deferment. This would be considered evasion if false or misleading academic credentials were used. Some notable US figures avoided the draft as students, such as Bill Clinton.[2]And Cheeto.

Being employed in or applying for a job in an "essential" civilian occupation and seeking deferment on those grounds. Farmers are usually exempt as are individuals employed in defense related industries. Often this required a letter from the potential draftee's employer to be accepted. After receiving deferment as a student, 2008 U.S. Presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani received further deferment after his occupation as a law clerk was deemed "essential" by the Selective Service.

Non-pacifist churches have at times deferred missionaries as "divinity students". During the Vietnam War The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) became embroiled in controversy for deferring large numbers of its young members.[3] The LDS church eventually agreed to cap the number of missionary deferments it sought for members in any one state; however, this generally did not stop LDS missionaries who lived outside. This cap was church wide in the United States and was not limited to Utah. Only two missionaries a year were allowed from each ward.[4]Utah[3] (such as 2008 and 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney) from receiving deferments with relative ease.[5][6]

Simply declining to enlist, if the potential conscript appears likely to avoid the draft through sheer "luck of the draw". During the Vietnam War, not all eligible young men were drafted; many who had a high lottery number registered for the draft but took no further action, knowing that they were unlikely to ever be drafted. Declining to enlist is not evasion.

Paying a stand-in to take one's place if drafted. In most countries this is no longer legally sanctioned, but it was a lawful and very common practice in the American Civil War. Grover Cleveland, who later became the Twenty-Second and Twenty-Fourth President of the United States, paid a substitute during the Civil War, an act for which he was criticized when he ran for President.
In some countries it is often possible to evade military service by bribing corrupt draft officers, or by finding a doctor who will certify one as medically unfit.

Deliberately making oneself medically unfit for duty. This could include consuming large quantities of drugs and alcohol for some time before the medical examination in order to appear addicted, or in more extreme cases, amputating a body part that is critical for service such as trigger fingers or even an entire limb. This could also include self-starvation, as in abstinence practised by some Jewish conscripts in the Russian Empire.

Moving out of the country (which, depending on the laws in question, may or may not exempt a citizen from the draft).

ck4829

(35,042 posts)
9. Do you what you gotta do
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:26 PM
Feb 2017

The quote by Hunter S. Thompson, "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" will take on a whole new and vital meaning if there is going to be a Trump draft.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
15. how about..
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:58 PM
Feb 2017

Deaf in 1 ear?
Seems like a good out to me. We never considered it lucky till now, but I think it would keep my 18 yr old out.

atreides1

(16,070 posts)
10. 60-90 days
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:27 PM
Feb 2017

That's all it will take for the Selective Service to begin operations, once Congress gives the go ahead!

Exemptions are different this time around, and the local boards are much more diverse then they were during Vietnam!!

avebury

(10,952 posts)
11. Under No Child Left Behind, schools have to give student
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:32 PM
Feb 2017

information for HS kids unless parents inform the school that they don't want their child's info given out. And I believe you have to renew that objection every year.

http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/nclb.military.recruiters.htm

Under a provision in Title IX of the No Child Left Behind Act, schools are required to release the names, addresses, and phone numbers of high school juniors and seniors to "military recruiters," "post secondary educational institutions," and "prospective employers." (20 U.S.C. § 7908) - See more at: http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/nclb.military.recruiters.htm#sthash.cBUKqjfF.dpuf

If you do not want the school to release information about your child to military recruiters, you need to let the school know this - in writing. Some school districts are sending a form that parents can sign to "opt out" of this provision. Other districts have not taken steps to develop an "opt-out" procedure yet. If you have not received an opt-out form to sign, you can write a letter, advising the school that you do not want military recruiters to have access to personal information about your child. - See more at: http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/nclb.military.recruiters.htm#sthash.cBUKqjfF.dpuf

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
13. Then it'd be a neon sign reflection of their stupidity.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:36 PM
Feb 2017

This is 2017. The days of having hordes and hordes of bodies to fight a war are over. Technological advances have eliminated that need.

I think one of the chief reasons anyone should resist war under Trump (other than war is immoral, wrong and usually the characteristic of weak leadership in the modern era) is the fact that he can't even successfully run a casino; one of the few industries that ALLOWS you to rig the odds in your favor, without it going tits-up . . . how is he going to manage a WAR?

LeftInTX

(25,210 posts)
14. My son will get married.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:57 PM
Feb 2017

He and his GF just had a baby. It would get him to take the plunge. (She is a lovely girl )

My other son and his wife would stop birth control.

madville

(7,408 posts)
19. They would lower the standards before a draft was instituted
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:36 PM
Feb 2017

The military has been able to be more selective in recent years due to an abundance of volunteers. They typically lower the bar a little bit when they need more bodies, make the tattoo policies less restrictive, loosen up on prior drug use history, grant more waivers for criminal convictions, grant more medical waivers, relax PT/weight/body fat standards, etc.

former9thward

(31,964 posts)
22. There will be no draft.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:09 PM
Feb 2017

No one wants one and no one needs one. The military is perfectly happy with the current supply. They only need 2% of high school graduates to join every year to meet their needs and they have no problem getting them.. Enlistment is not down despite what the OP said.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. Recruitment for the core, high-tech jobs are down.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:34 PM
Feb 2017

Recruitment for the core, high-tech jobs are down. Despite what you said, the military is not happy with that.

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