Trump administration begins massive deportation raids

[workinclasszero]

Trump administration begins massive deportation raids
Many people were taken from their homes.
Esther Yu Hsi Lee Immigration Reporter at ThinkProgress.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents detained scores of immigrants across the Los Angeles area in a massive deportation operation on Thursday, following President Donald Trump’s harsh executive order stepping up the crackdown of immigrants with criminal offenses living in the country illegally.

They said that some people were picked up as “collateral arrest” after they opened their doors to agents who were not there to specifically arrest them. ICE agents allegedly requested to see identification from everyone and took in family members who were undocumented.

The immigration sweeps are believed to have taken place across Southern California in Santa Paula, Oxnard, Van Nuys, San Bernardino, and Downey.

https://thinkprogress.org/immigration-raid-los-angeles-2bfdbc0f177d#.z69vidrwu

[DonCoquixote]

1. okay California farmers

when your crops dry up because the people who used to pick them aren't there anymore, I do not want to hear you whine. I'm already getting enough of that over here in Florida.

[NickB79]

5. I'm thinking I should expand my garden and open a farmers market stall

Come summer, Democrats get tomatoes for $1/lb. Repukes pay whatever jacked-up prices the barren supermarket stores charge.

[DonCoquixote]

8. I am too poor to go out to California

but if I was there I would deftly go out of my way to shop at your stand. I'm even willing to bet that you would be avoiding that Monsanto crap that I have seen sold as "organic."

[bigbrother05]

11. Without health care or a viable minimum wage, it won't be too long before we see ...

Trump Okies fighting to pick those crops

[lunatica]

35. See? Who said he isn't creating jobs?!

[StarryNite]

36. After they destroy Social Security

it will be senior citizens out in the fields trying to make enough money to keep the roof over our heads and food on the table.

[workinclasszero]

51. That's Trump's and the republican party

ultimate goal no doubt.

[StarryNite]

87. Yup

It will tie in with their creation of jobs plan.

[workinclasszero]

18. You got that right!

[nikibatts]

32. And no extra subsidies from the government either.

[notdarkyet]

52. I've seen lots of white people try to do the work and they can't.

My husband picked grapefruit all day and made fifty cents. The next day he made a dollar. Really try and spend a day in the fields.

[LisaM]

75. You are so right. I went to a U-pick strawberry farm once, and it was backbreaking.

Not that I disrespected farm workers before, but now I'm in awe that they can do this all day. My main takeaway was that strawberries are insanely underpriced for the amount of work it takes to pick them, and the work is very difficult. I think everyone who eats strawberries should give it a try (or any food, for that matter).

[Alice11111]

86. Empathy...you definitely aren't a Republican

[LisaM]

93. No, and it's funny, back in my much younger days...

I picketed in support of the farm workers at grocery stores. I mean, I was like 14. I like to save campaign buttons, and I was going through them a couple of years ago:

- Don't Buy Lettuce!

- Don't Buy Grapes!

- Nixon Eats Lettuce!


I don't even remember the Nixon one from the time, but it cracked me up.

[notdarkyet]

96. I did the same thing. I was 14 too. But we were picketing grocery stores

For better conditions and pay. Caesar Chavez lived in az many years. My rev fowler at the episcopal church I attended in Tucson had marches every weekend. He was there for thirty year. Really awesome person.

[Alice11111]

100. Very funny. Nixon eats lettuce.

In retrospect, he looks pretty good. If DT did what Nixon did, no big deal. He would cover it by quickly doing several more outrageous things to distract everyone.

[Croney]

89. Once, as a girl, I tried to pick cotton.

I thought, how hard can it be? I lasted half an hour. It wasn't until many years later that the horror of someone not being allowed to quit sank in.

[Alice11111]

97. ...or having to birth your baby in the field and go back to work

Of course, the south was the Confederacy back then. Today, that kind of lack of empathy is what defines Republicans. It's like we are split between those who care and those who don't. A Republican (on a first and last date) once said to me, You want to help them. I don't want to help them. I don't want to hurt them, but I just don't want to help them. I want Democrats to mind their own business and leave me alone.

[Sunlei]

60. The millions of undocumented aren't all crop pickers and yard mowers.

[elmac]

65. Yes and they all aren't from south of the boarder

Many jobs like construction, food processing plants (mostly out west), domestic help, just to name a few.

[Sunlei]

71. business owners. college students.

[notdarkyet]

101. No. I live by Sedona. Many of them are chefs or work in resorts. Our cooks in Bisbee where I worked

Came across the border every day to work. Loved them. They were funny. Played music and laughed all the time. I've done all these jobs too. I did the dishes for my school district until I got my teaching degree. There is no shame in any work you do well.

[panader0]

111. Where did you work in Bisbee?

I live close--I used to live in Bisbee--a great little town.

[notdarkyet]

114. El chaparral. Lived in Bisbee a few years. My husband and I bought a place in Hereford. He worked in

Sierra vista. Live in the verde valley now. My husband died.

[elmac]

62. I read today that some farm in CA is paying $15 an hour to pickers

because its so hard to find workers. You would need 3-4 times that an hour to afford to live in much of CA. Also read that some software programmers weren't being paid enough to live where they work around Silicon Valley.

[jmg257]

76. So trump deports workers AND screws Cali...

Who needs to hold back federal grants?

[Alice11111]

90. Couldn't blame them for succeeding

They pay the most in taxes per capita. Trump is going to cut more of what they get back. He is steamrollering their environmental regs, raiding houses, and more. He's still pissed because he lost the popular vote there, and he blames it on "illegals." Im beginning to think he does really believe it. Vindictive crazy!

[ananda]

88. I swear, GOP voters ..

.. don't have the capacity to think ahead!

But .. this is probably a way into getting the policy revoked,
when businesses suffer.

There will probably be huge pressure from businesses who
use undocumented workers; and there will probably also
be lawsuits down the line ..

hopefully.

[guillaumeb]

2. And so it begins.

What happens to Trump supporting businesspeople when ICE takes away their workforce?

Who will pick the fruits and vegetables?
Who will work in the kitchens?
Who will work non-union construction?

[KingCharlemagne]

10. Who will mow the lawns and change the diapers? - nt

[notdarkyet]

54. Hey, my yard crew kick ass. They are fast and good. I always over pay them.

Doing yard scape is honorable work. And hard.

[DonCoquixote]

13. do you want to hear a very disturbing answer: trigger alert!

wwhen you ask that question down south, the more brazen given their honest answer. Prison labor in the form of chain gangs use to be leased out to the large farmers. There is no need to guess what skin color most of those people and the chains were. Yes, general Robert E Lee did surrender, but folks like Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest sure as hell did not. what is even more brazen, is that they talk about using prison gangs this way, but some of them want to expanded to "welfare queens and her kids." ever wonder why our new secretary of education rails against child labor laws?

Just remember, a lot of the horrors that were banished in the past never went away entirely. To quote Howard Philip Lovecraft,one of my favorite horror writers, who ironically enough was a major racist himself:"that is not dead which can eternal lie, and in strange aeons, even death may die." When he wrote that, he was speaking of demons that were lying for millions of years in the very earth, just waiting for the stars to turn just right, so they can up and the silly little civilization humans made and retake for empires. The sad thing is,, we do not need demons and the supernatural to create Horror, we are more than capable of that on our own. Considering that a large part of the South is already willing to endure incompetent leadership, crooked leadership, and ignore the fact that be same good old boys that shake hands at the state fair call them poor white trash behind their back, it would not surprise me in my silver years to see chain gangs picking tomatoes, and many of them just being there for the crime of being a young nonwhite.

[dewsgirl]

16. Absolutely terrifying.

[guillaumeb]

17. In 1966, our first year here, we went to Florida to visit relatives.

I must admit that it was very difficult to understand "Southern English" for us, as well as not knowing certain words.

What was horrifying was seeing groups of chained prisoners working on the roadsides. The groups were supervised by shotgun carrying guards on horses.

And yes, as Michelle Alexander points out in The New Jim Crow, such things have been used in the near past and might be used again.

[dhill926]

99. I remember seeing those chain gangs as a kid,

when we traveled to Florida. Horrifying shit for a 10 year old. And thank god my parents were/are staunch progressives. They let me know what it was all about...

[workinclasszero]

19. Prison labor or slave labor?

What's the difference?

[anarch]

59. it's a common misconception that the 13th Amendment entirely abolished slavery

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

And, of course, there are a great many crimes that it's statistically a whole lot likelier to be convicted of if you're a person of color (or a poor person in general, but mostly p.o.c.).

[workinclasszero]

61. Wow

So what incentive would a republican farmer have to pay a decent wage with benefits when he can use slave labor supplied by the fascist state instead?

[anarch]

64. well, I think they'd generally be charged some kind of fee

perhaps with some profit going to the prison industry as well...but yeah, not much of an incentive.

Of course, there's not much incentive to pay a higher wage to anyone when the immigrant workforce works for so little, either...but at least it's somewhat more of a voluntary situation.

[workinclasszero]

67. It's true they can pay them less

But it's because Americans aren't demanding jobs like picking crops by hand from sunup to sundown or mowing lawns or roofing houses or making beds in hotels etc.

[Fast Walker 52]

70. a huge point that has never been emphasized enough

and it explains our prison system right now

[JOHNS CREEK DEM]

63. have to Love Lovecraft

Our demons all have R's next to their names....I'm convinced paul ryan is Nylarthotep.

[Sunlei]

66. Today,hundreds of thousands of prisoners still slave for Corps because slavery IS legal in USA.

13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution declared that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States.

This pbs documentary uses official government records to explain our American prison slave history. Corps have worked to DEATH thousands of American prisoners.

[riverbendviewgal]

98. Have you see the documentary 13Th

On Netflix? It is about US prisons being cheap labor forces. The new slave force.

[Initech]

24. First they came for the "illegal immigrants"...

[guillaumeb]

41. Agreed. It always starts with one group.

I am certain that Niemoller would agree.

[Initech]

43. It's kind of hard to wage a war on terror when we're the ones committing most of it.

[guillaumeb]

55. US violence is never called terror.

It is called self-defense or something related.

[lunatica]

40. Who will build his wall?!

[guillaumeb]

42. Non-union Polish construction workers, employed by Trump Inc.

But they are white.

[IronLionZion]

46. Urban youth

it's Trump's idiotic plan to create jobs

[Bernardo de La Paz]

47. When restaurants & farms fail, then restaurant & farm supply businesses suffer too.

When restaurant and farm supply businesses fail, manufacturers suffer too.

This is how economies contract, especially if tRump's trade war gathers steam.

[guillaumeb]

57. And GDP falls, and wages fall further.

And rising unemployment claims strain state budgets.

[workinclasszero]

81. Right. And then slap a 20% tariff tax on all goods coming from Mexico

And another one on Chinese goods.

Wee....great depression here we come!!

[elmac]

74. When small and large businesses suffer

My bet is that congress will rush through some kind of immigration reform just to save their butts but sniffles won't sign it so will need a veto proof vote.

[guillaumeb]

78. Reagan pushed for immigration reform.

Including an amnesty.

[elmac]

82. Yes he did and he got it through but Reagan didn't have the T-baggers

and all the other nut jobs to deal with plus tRump is one of the nut jobs.

[guillaumeb]

85. A good point.

The Libertarian directed Tea Party movement put the face of populism on a Koch owned philosophy.

[Alice11111]

92. I've heard those complaints from Texans...ironically

[guillaumeb]

94. And Trump supporters in California.

They assume that Trump will exempt them because they are good Trump supporters.

The ultimate in hypocritical racist fools who are too foolish to understand the reality of how their businesses depend on low wage, non-documented immigrant labor.

[Alice11111]

103. It is curious that they act against their own interest& are hypocritical

[blueseas]

3. Ugly times

All they do is promote fear and more fear

[Charles Bukowski]

4. Splitting up families, deporting nonviolent offenders while

while the nation focuses on Nordstrom tweets. Damn.

[workinclasszero]

23. Trump and Sessions still locking up harmless pot smokers

And shattering to pieces hard working peoples families because..brown skin.

[adigal]

108. This is a test for what else they have planned...next it's legal Muslims

Then it will be dissidents, like us.

If they get away with this, they will amp it up. So get out and protest, get to your Congressman's offices, offer sanctuary to these people. GET OUT THERE!!!!

[bdamomma]

6. so what agencies

are helping these people from being deported? This is horrible. Is this even illegal to do?? 45 and bannon are very vindictive men.

[smirkymonkey]

107. That's what I would like to know.

I can't believe they can do this. It's so wrong!

[anarch]

7. I'm sorry..."collateral arrest"???

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Being Hispanic and not being able to "show us your papers" doesn't constitute probable cause...did the fascist bastards just grab all the young children who don't have drivers licenses or whatever? Goddamned thugs.

[Lindsay]

12. The administration has been claiming that

Constitutional rights apply only to citizens. It was part of their court argument in the 9th circuit case against the Muslim ban, and if you look at the Bill of Rights section on the White House web site, they've replaced "the people" with "citizens."

"Thugs" is one of the nicer things you can call them.

[anarch]

22. taking that twisted logic a little further,

since these scum don't seem to acknowledge that there even are any basic, natural human rights (for instance, see Fuckface von Clownstick's several comments on the campaign trail about waterboarding and/or "killing their families&quot , I suppose the next EO will call for summary executions in the streets for people who are suspected of being immigrants...or, you know, tourists or foreign business travelers who piss off the wrong white guy or something.

I hate them so much.

[Charles Bukowski]

31. Constitutional rights only apply to citizens? Plyler vs Doe

states otherwise. According to that rule (which tried to ban undocumented children from attending Texas schools the court found that "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment 'jurisdiction' can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful".

[k8conant]

91. We should red flag this about the White House web site!!!

Oh, wait, that was on the Obama White House web site also.

In any case, it's wrong.

[workinclasszero]

26. I always knew Trump would unleash the stormtroopers

Kicking down doors in the middle of the night and deporting mothers and fathers and fuck the kids.

Fascism is here folks.

[workinclasszero]

28. Apparently if a person is in the immediate area of a raid

and can't produce their 'papers' they will be deported.

And that goes double for blue states like California!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. Wanna bet there are US citizens arrested for Not Having Papers While BROWN?

[Phoenix61]

9. I'm sure starting in California is no accident

[bdamomma]

15. this is all bannon

My opinion only: he hates California because they are very independent maybe he is trying to bring down their economy, plus bannon hates liberals. I read that somewhere. How can this be stopped. Blue state too.

They are trying to escalate their plan for hurting people.

[bettyellen]

21. When will we see this in TX or Florida? Hmmmm.

[dewsgirl]

95. It already has in Florida, at least Plant City.

Truly awful.

[workinclasszero]

27. Bingo!

Good point!

Trump is attacking the big blue state that defies him.

[BSdetect]

14. How do they identify "criminals" before launching these attacks?

The Gestapo arrives folks.

[MineralMan]

20. They might want to post people outside of these places

where they're grabbing people to deport. Southern California is home to a wide range of Hispanic gangs, and the members of those gangs are not afraid of anyone or anything.

Once they grab a few gang members' parents or siblings, the ICE agents are going to have to watch their backs. There may be trouble coming from nearby, especially if they do raids at night.

Mostly those gangs avoid violence against people who aren't in rival gangs, but they're well armed and absolutetely fearless. Their arms include not only semi-auto pistols, but plenty of long guns as well, some more suited for hunting deer than street fighting.

Careful, ICE. Really.

[klook]

50. Plays right into their hands.

Then the Bannon-Trump admin. can claim "Illegals" = Terrorists.

[KingCharlemagne]

80. ICE is just another gang, this one operating under color of the law. They

would be well advised to heed Mao's observation that "all oppression breeds resistance."

[senaca]

102. It happened two days ago in Minnesota also

Arrests were made in Burnsville and Apple Valley. That begs the question of whether this is happening in every state or just the states that have sanctuary cities.

[randome]

25. He's going to take his failures out on everyone else. No class.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The Dolt45/Spicer super-soaker fires a continuous stream of stupid and NEVER needs refilling![/center][/font][hr]

[suffragette]

29. Reminds me of mass deportation in the 1930s

https://m.

It was wrong then. It is wrong now.

[AJT]

30. Notice they start in California

to show Governor Brown who's "boss".

[charlyvi]

38. Noticed that too

And I wouldn't put it past his petty ass.

[SCVDem]

53. Dear Gov. Brown

About those tax remit to the feds.......

Fuck them!

Let them go to court!

[charlyvi]

104. LOL! If California stopped paying federal taxes

Four or five red states would go bankrupt; you know, the ones that aren't funded by New York.

[Fast Walker 52]

72. well, you know, he thinks California is why he lost the popular vote

all the illegal voters there, of course.

[nikibatts]

33. Oh, wait until those food prices go up. The deplorables will suffer the most.

Won't affect people like Trump and his cabinet. They can afford the high prices and relish the thought that most of us will be hurt.

[workinclasszero]

34. Everything the orange anus wants to do will hurt

his idiot working class voters the most!

Huge tax cut for the rich is coming right up...suckers!

[C Moon]

37. Probably also an effort to deport citizens (who can't provide their papers)...

so they can eliminate votes in California.

[SCVDem]

112. The sweep is underway

The first to be deported was a 36 yo mother of two.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/09/arizona-mom-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos-deported/97699670/

[orangecrush]

39. They are going to work their way down their list

To all of us.

They are just warming up.

[adigal]

109. I just said this...next is the Muslims, then the dissidents, which is us

So you'd better move it now and get out there. Make the US know that we are not going to accept this.

[orangecrush]

110. Truth

While we still can.

[matt819]

44. UNdoubtedly lawsuits are coming

And he'll lose again.

Collateral arrest.

Selective enforcement.

States' right.

California withholding tax payments.

Tech companies fighting it.

Etc.

Losing. He'll be losing so much he'll get tired of so much losing. Or something like that.

[JudyM]

45. Way to distract us and the media coverage from your 3-0 big loss.

[libtodeath]

48. A federal court should stop this.

[workinclasszero]

56. Maybe Gropenfuhrer will defy the court then

I know he wants to.

Then we step into a full Constitutional crisis.

Will the republicans impeach him or help him set up the first Amerikan Reich?

[Sunlei]

58. people seemed to have missed the part in Republicans crafted EO. local police are now immigration au

authorized. All police were "deputized" through the EO.

Now thousands, millions? of the general public will NEVER call the police because they're afraid. Crime will increase because of that, just like crime increased in the couple cities people don't call police because they fear getting shot by them.

[Fast Walker 52]

68. indeed-- thast was the whole point of sanctuary cities: to avoid that situation

[Liberal In Red State]

69. What do you bet he rounds up 3M+ and says that makes up the vote differential with HR! Dirt Bag!

[Fast Walker 52]

73. that is undoubtedly his plan

no matter the cost

[Cryptoad]

77. Deportees

Some of us are illegal
And others not wanted
Our work contract's up
And we have to move on
Six hundred miles to that Mexican border
They chase us like outlaws
Like rustlers, like thieves
Good bye to my Juan
Goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos Jesus why Maria
You won't have a name
When you ride the big airplane
All they will call you
Will be "deportees"

Deportee

[etherealtruth]

79. I always wonder how many American citizens are rounded up in these raids?

I don't keep "papers" on me. Though I would not be rounded up as I have green/blue eyes, freckles and the same ability to tan as the Pillsbury dough-boy.

How many people of Hispanic (or any ancestry) keep their "papers" with them and why should they have to?

[Fast Walker 52]

84. exactly-- I'm sure they are getting a good number of legal immigrants

which will create headaches for them

[Fast Walker 52]

83. this is bad, but I don't see how they would ever get a few million at this rate

even if they do a thousand a week-- which is way more than this was-- that is 52,000 a year, and over 4 years, that is only 208,000. They have no idea what they have gotten into.

And undoubtedly they are rounding up legal people which will lead to lawsuits.

Also, true undocumented people are going to be harder and harder to find over time.

This is mostly show, although clearly is painful for the people they do get.

[workinclasszero]

106. This is only the beginning

Remember the deportation force Trump said he would create?

Hell he will make jobs for his deplorables and put them in his force.

I think you are right that this action now is just Trump paying back California for defying him.

It's a start though. Trump will come after the dreamers too when he gets his gestapo/deportation force together

[Fast Walker 52]

113. In theory, yes. In practice I don't think he will do it

[montana_hazeleyes]

105. This is one of the most chilling threads I've read. So much EVIL.

This is all so evil and racist. And as some have pointed out also vindictive against California.

The people who voted for or supported trump are all in this evil group in my opinion. They all knew what he was spouting and it was all against non whites.
And his voters, don't realize he doesn't give a crap about them!