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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHoly mother of god, this obituary.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/familys-brutal-obituary-for-galveston-man-raises-eyebrows
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Apparently that's what he needed.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)It's hard to know who was the worst in this situation.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)http://m.chron.com/neighborhood/bayarea/news/article/Texas-man-s-hilarious-obit-hails-him-as-10923450.php
From the daughter:
"Thank you to those that have offered sincere condolences, understanding and prayers for our family, your words bring comfort. I am happy for those that simply do not understand, this means you had good parent(s) -- please treasure what you have.
"Although I appreciate everyone's concern, it would have been much more appreciated at any time during my childhood. For those being cruel, please remember that you now resemble my father and I would be more than happy to pen your obituary as well."
http://abc13.com/society/ouch-family-writes-brutal-obituary-for-local-man/1746919/
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)of any kind. I don't think I would have written such an obituary but everyone has their own way of dealing with things. It does sound as though he had serious mental problems that needed attention, but sometimes drinking and/or drugs can bring out that side of a person.
malaise
(268,844 posts)Sad
randome
(34,845 posts)The obit is poorly worded in many ways, even grammatically incorrect. The word 'embarrassed' probably doesn't even belong where it is placed but the gist of it is that Charping was reviled by many so I'm willing to overlook the poor sentence structure.
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highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)And brain injury can cause the sort of behavior described.
Apparently he already had problems before joining the Navy, but that could indicate a troubled childhood that included being physically abused. Or he could have suffered brain injury from some other cause (maybe even starting to box at a very early age). I've read studies of children who became criminally violent who were all or almost all shown to have suffered brain injury, whether from abuse in dysfunctional homes, or simply an accident that changed their behavior even if raised in loving homes.
I'm not saying his family doesn't have reason to hate what he did, or to be relieved that he's gone. It sounds like they went through a nightmare.
But hatred and bitterness are corrosive. And the venting they did in the obituary will probably continue to plague them, as people react, adding to their own pain.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)It could be cathartic.
Judge not.
underpants
(182,717 posts)Popeyes was some piece of work
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,159 posts)It sounds like there's still a lot of anger and resentment. I hope whoever wrote this gets some counseling to work it out. Sometimes it's harder to lose a relative you hated. As much as you might have tried, you were never able to "fix" them, or your relationship.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)One thing for sure, it has generated a huge amount of discussion. Many are appalled at the lack of respect for the dead, while others see it as a catharsis for a beleaguered family finally out of the grasp of a monster.
So it does raise many issues that deserve a hearing. Does a person who suffers from mental illness deserve a pass, even in death, from the harm they may cause? Is a person who causes such obvious angst to his family really mentally ill? Or just an SOB?
Which leads me to the question of someone like tRump. Many professionals have weighed in on his mental health problems and concluded that he suffers from an incurable personality disorder. Is he to be despised for those things, understood or pitied? What will HIS obituary look like??
I believe most obits paint a pretty rosy picture of the deceased, although I have read obituaries that, reading between the lines, indicated the person lived a "colorful" life. Or marched to the beat of their own drummer. So it looks to me like maybe this family had just had a long, tragic time with this person and saw the obituary as their chance to have the last word on his life and the pain he inflicted.
easttexaslefty
(1,554 posts)My mom tortured me my entire life. Her death at 73 was a relief for me.
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)obit I would be honest, she signed her son's over to the state at young ages while keeping me and torturing me and I'd spell it out. Every few years she still spews hatred towards me and I'm now 47. She's not changed, she has my email address, that's unfortunate. If anyone saw the last email I sent her back you'd probably all be horrified by the things I said. How the hell I ever made it out I don't know, my brothers suffered greatly at her hands and they continued that life even after getting out of her clutches. I have no relationship with them as a result either. Whether or not my mother has an underlying mental condition, I don't know, but it doesn't excuse her behavior, she knows the difference between right and wrong when it comes down to it. By the way, she claims to be an ardent Evangelical, she's the most hateful person I have ever met. The shit she did can never be taken back. I might or might not agree with how far this family went, but I can damn well understand their feelings.
shrike
(3,817 posts)My mother abused me for a good part of my life. She's a sweet old lady in her eighties now, but I will always be wary. And it's not something you can discuss, is it, with the average person. Your mother is supposed to be a saint. Your mother is supposed to be venerated. There are those of us who know that isn't always the case. All the best to you.
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)I just never gave up and somehow found my voice and confidence... I envy people with mother's who are what I should have been given. At some point you just write it off or you find yourself miserable. And you are right, this is not something you talk to the average person about. First they are stunned, second they don't know what to say... I have stories of a childhood that would just make your hair stand up.... sounds like you have similar stories... I'm sorry for that... nobody should go through it.
malaise
(268,844 posts)honesty about the dead is rare. We've been to funerals and often wondered if the deceased was the same person we knew for decades.
I can't judge - wasn't there
no_hypocrisy
(46,057 posts)Then as a bad punchline, he disinherited me and my siblings and left $35,000 to the neighbor across the street.
I was tempted to write a similar obit for him, but took another path.
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)a feel good obit. For a very long while I had no anger towards my mother, until she started trying to contact me with her Christianity as an excuse for her to never take responsibility for the things she did. Until she did that, I felt pity for her. That pity is gone and really replaced with contempt for what she stands for. In one of her first emails to me, I responded and told her to give any inheritance to Planned Parenthood, don't bother leaving me anything (she was using that as a reason I should apologize for her behavior)....
Some of us are just dealt a bad hand.... Good for you being the better person.
BannonsLiver
(16,342 posts)This guy sounds like a real horse's ass.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)My mother-in-law took pleasure in causing pain to anyone she could. Hubs and I exited her life decades before her death. We forfeited several $100,000 in inheritance which we knew would happen. It was worth every penny not having that evil woman in our lives.
We we're told that not one person of the few that attended her funeral shed a tear.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)Just because someone has mental health issues doesn't mean that they can treat people as they please and refuse to do what it takes to get well. He is dead, this obituary isn't hurting him at all. His family did a good thing here. Putting them down for being "angry" or not respecting the dead is blaming the victim.
My mother is alive and I mourn the mother I never had because she would never seek help for her mental illness. She wasn't pure evil like this guy, but the unpredictability was rough! Our mom is in assisted living and my sister and I do for her as anyone else does for their mother. We sure wish we knew what having a mom capable of nurturing would have been like as kids though.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)The 'tells' are odiously obvious.
Vinca
(50,248 posts)Some people have a hard time understanding that sharing genetic material doesn't mean you automatically love all your relatives. This guy sounds like he was a real gem.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)He must have been quite horrible.
When my mother died both my son and I felt relief.
hunter
(38,309 posts)I'll occasionally hear of some homeless person I've seen around and had conversations with (sometimes little more than "here's five dollars for beer" being found dead, without a story. I know a few of them were horrible people who abused their spouses and children even when they were more sober and functional, but something always bothers me whenever death comes without a story. Cremated by the county, their unclaimed ashes spread in the ocean by the informal chaplain of the day, and that's it?
It seems important to me to remember the bad as well as the good. I've never followed the queer custom of "if you can't say anything nice about a person then don't say anything at all." It's possibly a family thing, I don't recall anyone in my family ever abiding by that custom, even at funerals. My wife's family is similarly vocal about their grievances, but more capable of stating them in a polite manner.
So Popeye Charping gets remembered, possibly even immortalized on the internet. Where's the bad in that?
When I'm dead (hopefully nothing less than a few decades from now...) I give whatever friends and family I have left permission to write whatever the hell they want to about me. Even if they make shit up, good or bad, it's likely to be some reflection of the universe and my life as I perceived it.
rug
(82,333 posts)It reads almost like an apology.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)samnsara
(17,613 posts)..good for that family! They suffered a lot.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)An uncle stuck his head into the conversation and said "they all want to make sure they put that son of a bitch DEEP in the ground". I was only 14 at the time but I remember it well. He was an abusive asshole and no one liked him.
No one in the family was creative enough to come up with this kind of obit but it would fit.
manicraven
(901 posts)malaise
(268,844 posts)'he was quick whited...'
What a family