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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Trump administration is on the verge of imploding
Top officials are contradicting each other on a regular basis. As one would expect when honorable people are confronted with dishonorable acts, the White House is leaking like a sieve.
Flynn was almost certainly acting under Trump's orders, but even if he was not,Trump knew that that Flynn had spoken the Russian ambassador about sanctions even before Flynn lied to his Vice President who apparently was never in the loop. Yet, it took well over a week for Flynn to be fired for being "disloyal" and therefore untrustworthy. Meanwhile untrustworthy Flynn continued to have access to the nation's most secret and sensitive intelligence. Just yesterday he was working with Trump on the North Korean crisis and sat in on his daily security briefing.
If Trump is indeed in cahoots with Putin, Putin must be asking himself why he ever got involved with such an incompetent fool.
Also posted on my blog; CajunsComments.com
http://www.cajunscomments.com/the-trump-administration-is-on-the-verge-of-imploding/
riversedge
(70,093 posts)Period!
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Flynn has "fallen on his sword" and "taken one for the team". Correction, he has taken one for Trump. I am almost certain that it will later be proved that Flynn was talking to the Russians under Trump's orders. So imagine if you were in Flynn's place. You do what your boss told you to do and then he fires you so he can maintain "plausible deniability", at least until the truth comes out and he calls it "fake news". Trump had to trust Flynn immensely not to squeal on him.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)to break up the fight!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)They have collaborated through Flynn and others. Trump admitted, almost bragged, early in the campaign. With Flynn gone, the Russians are threatening Trump that they could confirm the stuff, with evidence, that we already know, but Repubs still pretend doesn't matter. Flynn was their boy, and now the level of trust is threatened.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)It was called "his style" in business and the campaign.
Soon, it will be called war. He may start it as a distraction, and their are plenty of opportunities. Countries are taking advantage of the lack of focus and leadership.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,605 posts)Trump winning means we have a non-functional government. If Hillary had won, it would have been more of the same with Repubs locking everything down and preventing any meaningful progress.
Putin is laughing in his vodka martinis.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)It's even a win because putin can destabilize the Trump administration more, if it chooses. They are sending threatening messages of that w the sub, the cruise, news reports changing tone toward DT.
triron
(21,984 posts)we probably would also have a dem controlled senate.
Hillary knows how to get things done. So no, this country
would be moving forward in a big way.
keithbvadu2
(36,676 posts)Trump supporters celebrate their victory.
"It turns out that United Russia won the elections in America," Viktor Nazarov, the governor of Omsk, Russia, declared in a radio interview.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/world/make-russia-great-again-if-trump-lifts-sanctions-putin-could-finally-establish-his-country-as-an-equal-to-u-s&pubdate=2016-12-03
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... but if so he doesn't understand that it is self healing. The Trump experience will teach everyone never to do that again.
In addition, Putin will now fail in his major objective - to get sanctions removed. His investment in Trump is going down the drain.
Wounded Bear
(58,605 posts)There are, at least, signs that we can beat back this attack on our political institutions.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)given that he is having so many scandals and flip flops in his policies...
BringBackBarack
(31 posts)Every 30 minutes it's been a new outrage.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Exhausting anyhow
MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)The Bob and Chez show refers to the cluster as the tRump tennis ball machine firing at us with lightening speed. Exhausting!!!
Welcome to DU, by the way. Here's a heart!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Thanks for welcome and heart. Think I have 2 left,one back 2 u.
triron
(21,984 posts)Better be careful what he eats and drinks.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)on a trip there or to an embassy.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Even if it is just threaten his family. I think the cruise and sub are messages to top guys, including trump, that they better keep shut.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)Lies, not so much.
NewRedDawn
(790 posts)Resigned to take the heat off of the Don like a good little fascist.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)brush
(53,743 posts)since he's known about his lies since late January.
He didn't want to fire him, just wanted to keep him close because Flynn knows who told him to propose the sanctions-lifting phone calls to the russkies most likely trump himself.
He only "asked" for his so-called resignation because the news of the phone calls and lies came out and he had to.
In fact, Flynn was in on all briefings, and even was there in Florida sitting in with the Japanese president and trump discussing classified info on North Korea, ridiculously, I must say, in front of other diners.
trump is imo, very nervous right about now as Flynn knows enough to bring down a whole lot of repugs.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)GOP is silent.
They both tried to beat up Obama for "not enforcing treaties".
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I think he now believes he has pushed his very public bromance with Putin as far as he dares. That's not a good sign. I think it means that the love affair will now be be carried out under the cover of diplomatic secrecy with only periodic indications rising to the surface.
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)Putin wants to destabilize the US as much as possible so he can mess with Ukraine, the Middle East and maybe deploy some other weapon systems.
There are reports of hacking that look like Putin might be sabotaging the #1 center-right candidate in the French Pres. elections to get the #2 far right white nationalist Marine Le Pen into office or close enough to destabilize France.
keithbvadu2
(36,676 posts)having his lackey Trump in the WH is advantageous to Putin.
Putin is getting his money's worth out of his investment in Trump.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Putin wants one thing out of Trump - to have the sanctions removed. Trump has got himself in such a bind with the the love affair he and his closest staff members have with Putin and the Russians it will now be very difficult for him remove the sanctions without bring more suspicion on himself than the Republicans in Congress handle with out investigating the shit out of him.
We have already seen this in the address that Nikki Haley gave on her first day in the UN. She said that sanctions will not be removed until Russia leaves the Crimea. That is a pledge that will be hard to back away from.
Putin is used to having everything under his control in Russia. He must view the clown show in Washington which is likely going to keep him from achieving his main objective with disdain and anger. He sees his investment going down the drain.
keithbvadu2
(36,676 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)He fucked us over one way or the other, and he still can.
Bannon really wants war though, his mission, and that would be the perfect distraction for trump, maybe the only thing that could distract at this point.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Trump Inc. isn't going anywhere.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)about RUMP.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)They are all dirty on this one.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Grooming him to take over. He was one of the closest advisors, at DTs side every moment almost.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)Probably easier to eliminate who didn't leak.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts).....not the organ grinder.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...didn't know he was being lied to. Flynn and Pence went through a careful charade of a real conversation.
Pence wants to be President. Now, or in 2020. Doesn't matter. He can taste it.
He figured Trump and company had put into place all the henchmen needed to suppress this, cover his ass, move it through without ripple: Sessions as AG, The Security apparatus in Bannon's hands, the Congress fully under Repug control, FOX news. No worries.
So he spoke in code to Flynn and Flynn spoke in code to him. "Nothing to worry about Sir. I did the right thing, Sir" kind of thing. No direct yes or no questions or answers. Yeah--he knew he was setting Flynn up to be the fall guy if anything went wrong. Underlings like Flynn always understand that.
Please, do not give Pence a pass on this. See him for the Machiavellian SOB he is.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)A heart to u
zentrum
(9,865 posts)volstork
(5,399 posts)Now hurry the hell up so we can all get on with our lives
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)What if it goes on 4 yeas? It has already been something a major everyday for over a year. It's just gaining momentum and the stakes are bigger.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)They will never be able to prove this.
Liberal In Red State
(442 posts)Mean nothing will cause the GOP to relinquish control even if tRump is deposed! We have to continue the fight for 4 years on all fronts and expose the GOP for the ignorant racist a$$es they are!
calimary
(81,127 posts)I have that uncomfortable little truth chewing away at the back of my brain, too.
I think where we all may be is waiting for some critical mass point to be reached, where something just stinks up the joint too nasty even for the GOP. We're forced to wait and see how much they can swallow or ignore before there's something that just breaks the proverbial camel's back.
I noticed just now on "Hardball" that there are now four GOP senators who are hesitant about one of the nominees still awaiting confirmation. Last we saw were two of them against Betsy DeVos. Maybe for the few who feel more free to stick their necks out, either because they're actually listening to their constituents or because they have consciences that won't allow them to go along with this never-ending shit and nincompoopery anymore.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)coco22
(1,258 posts)sons know?
calimary
(81,127 posts)This:
If Trump is indeed in cahoots with Putin, Putin must be asking himself why he ever got involved with such an incompetent fool.
That line just pile-drives it home.
Initech
(100,043 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)LandrosT
(50 posts)May the orange fuhrer's reign be short-lived, and end in failure.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I read the Russians are saying just that, with the scandals, leaks, flip flops, inconsistent statements, they cant trust him. ?%$#@?? In fact, even all of Europe is saying that. However, Putin expects repayment.
randome
(34,845 posts)As feckless and smarmy as he is, I think he has an iota of more experience with politics than those surrounding him.
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