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bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:23 PM Feb 2017

We must be merciless

For the past few months, I have been torn between my ethical and positive self and my ruthless Machiavellian self.

I believe that we have reached a time in history where Machiavellian power politics must be used in order to preserve the Republic.

I believe the Democrats must beat the Trump Administration to the ground with allegations that Trump and his henchman are operatives of the Kremlin.

At this point, it does not matter to me if this is true or not. It has the appearance of Truth, and there is a long history of Trump's involvement with Putin and Russia.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump were able to make much progress with their lies about Hillary Clinton and the emails. We must learn to use messaging this same way, so that Democrats can save the United States for the future.

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We must be merciless (Original Post) bluedye33139 Feb 2017 OP
... Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #1
So greytdemocrat Feb 2017 #3
Missed that point by a mile Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #6
Oops! greytdemocrat Feb 2017 #10
All good Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #11
lol! You got it! greytdemocrat Feb 2017 #13
yup MFM008 Feb 2017 #2
Can you refresh my memory about when Sanders lied about her emails? JHB Feb 2017 #4
Precisely Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #7
Looks like DU has some alternative facts folks malaise Feb 2017 #9
And lumping Bernie in there with the Don...wow. panader0 Feb 2017 #12
I remember him publicly saying that they were not an issue bluedye33139 Feb 2017 #14
In other words nothing from Bernie himself, but some jackass "or bust"ers in the crowd... JHB Feb 2017 #17
He explicitly said during the debates that no one cared about her "damned emails." nt tblue37 Feb 2017 #19
What the heck did Bernie lie about Hillary get real jknudsen Feb 2017 #5
Agreed Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #8
Trump and Putin war criminals! Initech Feb 2017 #15
Yes they are!!! Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #21
Right on!!!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2017 #16
I have gotten yelled at on here for suggesting some things like that. I agree with you! Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #18
If you edit your post and take out the thing with Bernie people may pay attention Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #20
I've been saying this for years. backscatter712 Feb 2017 #22
Whew! Nice alternative facts, there! Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Feb 2017 #23

JHB

(37,158 posts)
4. Can you refresh my memory about when Sanders lied about her emails?
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:34 PM
Feb 2017

Perhaps I am too-strongly remembering him rejecting them as an issue.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
14. I remember him publicly saying that they were not an issue
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:13 PM
Feb 2017

and then listening to screams of LOCK HER UP and HILLARY FOR PRISON from the crowds surrounding him.

But it's all over, and Donald Trump is president, so I guess I should just pretend that never happened. Thanks for the reminder.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
17. In other words nothing from Bernie himself, but some jackass "or bust"ers in the crowd...
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:09 PM
Feb 2017

...(and that's assuming they weren't full-blown sTrumpets infiltrating a Bernie rally)?

Because as long as the "I guess I should just pretend that never happened" card is in play, do you recall that the vast majority of Bernie supporters in the primaries voted for Hillary in the general election? And always were going to vote for the primary winner? Will that part be forgotten when you're being all "merciless"? Or will you escalate the pie fight by not caring too much about your aim because everybody in that direction is practically the same?

Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
18. I have gotten yelled at on here for suggesting some things like that. I agree with you!
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:05 AM
Feb 2017

Look at the shit this guy has gotten away with!!!! Republicans do whatever they want and they get away with it.

And Democrats sit there and say, "But it's not in the constitution" As if we don't have an entire Supreme Court whose job it is to interpret the constitution because the constitution is not black and white and is subject to interpretation!!!

Now I hear some shit about his Supreme Court pick will probably go through. Fuck!

There has not been one filibuster since this monster show has come to town. Everything we were told they would fight has just gone flat and the republicans win again.

They are ruthless. They lie, they cheat.

So far being nice has not worked.

Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
20. If you edit your post and take out the thing with Bernie people may pay attention
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:08 AM
Feb 2017

Right now it is just a fight about Bernie and the emails. I got your point and I agree with it.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
22. I've been saying this for years.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:22 AM
Feb 2017

Democrats need to learn to be ruthless.

We can't keep showing up to a gunfight with a flower.

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