We need new elections. This is unprecedented.

[Kingofalldems]

Link to tweet

[Botany]

1. it was the down ticket races too

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/

HRC won the E.C. and the dems won the senate too.

We need a new clean election w/paper ballots

[madaboutharry]

2. Jim Sciutto has been doing great reporting.

[MANative]

3. As much as we may "need" them, there is no mechanism in the Constitution...

to provide for that, except in the event of a "designated survivor"-type scenario. Even then, a President is in place through survivorship, regardless of how low on the list that person is.

[notdarkyet]

26. There is a remedy in the constitution (I think). A second constitutional convention.

The current representatives would be swept out. The constitution will be updated, like civil rights will be enthroned in it as well as the equal rights amendment. The electoral college will be abolished and representatives will be elected by straight districts on a population basis. Our grievances will be the same as the original constitution. Our separation of powers has been usurped. When you find you are no longer free because of corruption and power, you have the right to throw off the scum and start again. I'm sure you all could think of what you feel it should be.

[grantcart]

4. You are talking about a Parlimentary system, which I quite favor. In the US Constitutional system

it isn't Unconstitutional to be both stupid and incompetent

[Kingofalldems]

5. Yeah I guess new elections are not in the cards.

I am just doubly pissed at this and the Trump troll posting around DU that there is nothing we can do.

[democratisphere]

6. We don't need new elections.

We need to install the actual and rightful winner of the election, HRC. It is that simple.

[delisen]

8. Exactly. Clinton and Kaine need to take their rightful places.nt

[milestogo]

11. Yes, and we need to take to the streets protesting until she is awarded the election.

[longship]

14. There's no constitutional mechanism for that, either.

For Christ sakes! Are DUers that ignorant of our constitution?

There are no presidential election do-overs. No Mulligans!

We have impeachment in the US House followed by conviction (by 2/3 majority) in the US Senate, or we have the 25th Amendment. Either way, if it succeeds we get VEEP Pence as POTUS. If he resigns or something, we get Ryan.

Read your fucking US Constitution and get out of dreamland!

[democratisphere]

17. There has never been a foreign government that has overthrown our elections

in colusion with one of candidates. We are in uncharted territory and I don't think anything is certain or uncertain.

[longship]

18. That fact does not negate our constitution!

For Christ sakes, we are a country of laws. We don't get to make shit up when things go bad.

We have the rule of law and the separation of powers on our side. That is the only framework under which we can fight this insanity.

Otherwise, what are people suggesting? I shudder to think.

[WillowTree]

21. It is shocking to me.......

.......how many otherwise intelligent, politically active adults are so totally clueless about our Constitution or how our government actually works.

And disheartening.

[longship]

22. Yup! There are no nullifications for presidential elections.

Once that has happened, the only recourse is either impeachment by the House and conviction by 2/3rds of the Senate, or by way of the 25th amendment.

And the GOP holds both sides of congress plus the cabinet members who would have to vote to depose Drumpf for a 25th amendment solution.

Those are our only options.

[notdarkyet]

27. Can we not have a second constitutional convention?

[triron]

29. who is 'we'? How does this happen?

Maybe it is a good idea idealistically but how to implement it?
Civil unrest?

[BadgerMom]

30. Actually

the Koch brothers, through their many and varied agents, are pressing for a Constitutional convention. Many state legislatures have approved it. They're working to get enough to make this a fait accomplit. It scares the living crap outta me.

It has occurred to me, though, that if a tidal wave of progressive activism breaks just as their attempt to install permanent repressive government happens, we might be able to swamp their boat. Unfortunately, those folks are darn good at rigging rules to their favor. That gets me back to fearing such a gathering.

[tinrobot]

28. Trump impeached, Pence picks Hillary as VP, Pence resigns...

That's the only way Hillary becomes President in this cycle.

Not going to happen, unfortunately.

[triron]

20. The people need to force it somehow. Congress won't

maybe SCotUS but doubt it.

[SticksnStones]

33. I adore HRC...little blue H's flow through my veins instead of platelets. However...

'Install' and 'leader of the free world' aren't concepts that go together.

We got pretty pissed when the SC installed baby bush.

But I do think our constitution needs a clause that accounts for the modernized cyber coup we are experiencing.

It's a tall order though~

[July]

34. We are looking at the real possibility that Trump was "installed."

And we've already seen it happen with GWB.

We are in a sorry state if we, a supposed democracy, cannot undo errors so grave that "installation," rather than election, decides who's our national leader.

[Rex]

7. This will never be normal, not as long as that Russian spy sits in the Oval Office. nt

nt

[CountAllVotes]

9. bingo

That is exactly what we've got. Double agent is the suspicion.

[jmg257]

10. Carter Page, Roger Stone, Manafort and FLynn.

The F.B.I. has closely examined at least three other {besides Manafort} people close to Mr. Trump, although it is unclear if their calls were intercepted. They are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign; Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative; and Mr. Flynn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

[CousinIT]

12. NOW we know why Dems who met w/ Comey were STUNNED after the meeting n/t

[TrekLuver]

13. That's right...I forgot about that lil tidbit

[KewlKat]

15. I thought Comrade Comey refused to tell them anything.....and they got mad

because he had previously said not saying nothing in public, so they scheduled a closed door briefing and then the ba$tard wouldn't say anything?


After I posted, I found this -
SOURCE: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-slam-comey-closed-door-briefing/story?id=44768462

But according to several members, Comey would not discuss whether the FBI is or will be investigating any ties between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the intelligence community says sought to influence the election at the behest of the country's president, Vladimir Putin.

“I am hopeful that the FBI, under Director Comey’s direction, is investigating whether or not there were or were not any connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians. He would not really respond to that today,” Rep. Charlie Crist, D-Florida, said.

[CousinIT]

16. I was under the impression that it was classified. So Dems couldn't talk about it.

Comey shared some classified info about it - that stunned Dems (?)

[butdiduvote]

19. The obvious problem is how would we have a new election

Do we go all the way back to the primaries and start again? Not like we can just throw the same set of candidates on the ballot and have people go vote again. Everybody but Trump maybe, but who takes his place?

[flamingdem]

23. Also, what did the FBI know? Comey?

DanJustDan‏ @ShotoDan2016
@nytmike @nytpolitics What did the FBI know and when? Makes the Comey letter re: Hillary even more inexplicable and damning.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. We need UN observers to ensure that they're free and fair. n/t

[triron]

25. kick for visibility

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. No thanks, I'll stick with the Constitution

Impeachment or 25th amendment, I don't care which. May the fallout decimate the GOP and energize the press to do their damn jobs.

[hughee99]

32. There sure were a lot of people calling Sally Yates a hero for "defending the constitution"

yesterday that are now willing to throw that same constitution out the door today.