Fuck. FUUUUUUUCK. I finally read the whole thing. Put the Schadenfreude away.

[Recursion]

This is now way past "taking down Trump"

This is literally "Russia has paid operatives at the highest level of our government". This is nothing to be happy about. The damage this has done will take decades to recover from.

[gordianot]

1. This was Cyber warfare and America lost.

The attacks on Clinton, recruitment of Trump traitors, hacking the United States government. America lost and will pay with their sovereignty.

[GusBob]

7. Yep mission accomplished for Putin

The erosion of democracy.

We need serious statesmen and women now

[iluvtennis]

22. Truth! so sad, #TraitorTrump needs to be impeached. He knew everything.

[rzemanfl]

2. In a box in the garage I have my master's thesis which contains the cost of the cold war to

this nation, with a footnote to the source. It was in the double digit trillions if I recall correctly.

Traitors sold us out for comparative peanuts.

[KT2000]

19. did you ever hear of a book

about the cost of the Cold War in terms of healthcare costs in terms of cancers and premature deaths? I read a review of it many years ago but lost track of the title and author.

[renegade000]

3. yes, it's an unmitigated disaster, but...

The first step toward recovery is for the public to realize there's a problem... so there's that at least.

[lunasun]

10. Correct plus the true crazies are being told there is a problem but it's the media making up

a problem to harass trump and too many are crazy enough to believe that instead of seeing how bad this really is
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/319593-limbaugh-flynn-a-political-assassination

[mnmoderatedem]

36. that's a good way of looking at it.

those still supporting trump need an intervention.

[HoneyBadger]

4. Trump actually reminds me a great deal of Trump's pal, Tom Brady

Everyone knows that he cheats. But half the country does not care, they actually get a juvenile thrill out of it.

[uponit7771]

20. +1, Brady's name should have an asterisk by it no doubt

[montana_hazeleyes]

21. Yep.

Shady Brady gets away with it and is touted a hero, just like Traitor.

[LeftInTX]

5. What whole thing?

The most recent was the NYT article about Trump's campaign in contact with Russian intelligence.

Is there a specific article you're referencing?

[PoiBoy]

9. I'm just guessing here...

perhaps the Dossier..

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

[Achilleaze]

34. I guess we are all supposed to dial 1-800 psychic to guess...

what the OP has read. ?

[LanternWaste]

40. Context is difficult for many people to infer

Context, regardless of how obvious it appears, is difficult for many people to infer; so I get your despair. I get it.


God forbid we begin using other literary tools such a foreshadowing or satire, else the lowest common denominators will be left out in the cold with nothing but snarky phone numbers to entertain themselves with.

[eleny]

6. Absolutely

This is a hair on fire moment tonight.

[blogslut]

8. It was a terrorist attack via social engineering.

And the GOP looked the other way.

[Motown_Johnny]

11. Every Republican Administration takes decades to recover from.

Our trade deficit problem was created by Reagan, along with our defunded schools and infrastructure. That doesn't even go into things like him giving arms to Bin Laden and his followers.

Almost 30 years since Ronnie left office. How are we doing on recovering from his tenure in office?

[Barack_America]

12. Yes. There's really not much to celebrate here.

[BainsBane]

25. Only that it's being uncovered

which is better than their staying in place ratfucking the country.

[Equinox Moon]

13. I remember Prez O giving a chilling warning

that our democracy is at stake. He said it a few times.

A different post revealed that Prez O and trump were given briefings on Russian contact with aids. They both knew during the campaign.

[C Moon]

14. And I can't help but think that the shutting down of DU on election night...

was an intended sample of what lies ahead.

[montana_hazeleyes]

23. I've thought a lot about that too.

I been afraid we will be shut down completely. I wonder sometimes, how long do we have left.

[Hekate]

24. Yes. It's not that we are super-important in the scheme of things, but it's a way of showing ...

...some of us liberals what they can do. That and the interrupted service at CSPAN that suddenly became an RT feed for several minutes. Just a none too subtle way of saying kiss my ass.

We know DU was trolled heavily during the election, including by Russians. MIRT is still playing whack-a-mole -- just ask them.

[C Moon]

26. I didn't know about CSPAN

Yeah, I'm not saying DU is super important, but DU is definitely a source of justice and true information.
That is now more evident by the hack.

[Hekate]

28. Rachel had the CSPAN episode. It was super creepy.

[zentrum]

15. Agreed.

And taking down Trump because of Russia doesn't begin to touch the problem we have with the fact that people voted for him. Trumpism will outlive his impeachment I think.

[neverforget]

16. Trump is President Baltar from

Battlestar Galactica. Baltar unwittingly sold out the human race to the Cylons by giving a Cylon access to the Colonial defense network. The Cylons then attacked after rendering the Colonial defenses useless.

[herding cats]

17. I posted something similar yesterday (maybe the day before now?)

Time is a blur to me right now, my apologies, but the fact is we have been well and truly sold out. Our intelligence assumes we're compromised at this point, and so does the intelligence agencies of our allies.

We're not trustworthy anymore, and our allies know this, and are adjusting accordingly.

We are so seriously fucked.

[0rganism]

18. i'm reminded of the Fullmetal Alchemist episode where Hughes discovers the homonculi

and (spoilers)
figures out that the government has been infiltrated all the way to the top by shapeshifters

[Chevy]

27. And the useful idiots on the left. Stein, Devine and The Intercept stooges

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/01/14/opinion/trumps-ill-begotten-victory-intel-dossier-says-putin-helped-sanders-stein

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/13/how-putin-played-the-far-left.html

[Dallasdem1988]

29. I want yalls opinion on this.

I have always tried to get my news from many sources as possible, read all sides opinions(alt-right to alt-left) and then use actual EVIDENCE to come to whatever conclusions I can. This is why I love du, I have found a home here among the rational left.

That being said, I think we are being myopic in some of our assessments as to the goals of these thugs. This is all my opinion and so please, if this is garbage to you, feel free to say so. But I don't think a lot of us see what a lot of our enemies see because we have our worldview, they have ours.

These nuts believe their future is over. I'm not necessarily doubting people's claims that trump "sold us out for the almighty dollar" I just think their is more to it. From what I have gathered these folks think their time is at a end. The end of the white rule is over(their words, just read any alt right article, and to some extent, the alt left they just react differently)

They don't believe with the demographic shifts they will be around in 100 years,let alone in power(and let's be honest, with demographic changes they won't be any sort of majority anywhere). They don't see Russia as an enemy, or Nazis, or whoever for that matter. What they see is a world wide white identity movement to halt the forces of "globalism" they don't consider this treason because the American dream is no longer their dream. They feel it's been taken from them.

Van Jones was very right when he said this was a "white lash"

As I said. This is what I have gleaned from reading their blogs and such. Sorry if it's a bit over the top but this is what we are facing. Nothing fights harder than a cornered animal.

[butdiduvote]

32. If I'm understanding your post correctly, I agree.

Not all of them, but many of them feel their vision of their ideal America is on its way out. It was about to collapse completely when they enjoyed a series of unexpected election wins in November. Nonetheless, they still feel the forces resisting their vision, and they still think their movement will soon be extinct. What I don't get is why they insist on clinging to this temporary bandage when they know they can't avoid diversity and liberalism winning out in the end. It's like if you had a really awful cavity that required root canal or the tooth to be pulled, but you didn't want to pay for the root canal or lose the tooth just yet, so you found a dentist who was willing to just do a filling. You know you ultimately can't preserve the tooth, but you'll prolong the inevitable as long as you can anyway.

[Dallasdem1988]

35. You did.

Sorry if I rambled, exhausting day at the office followed by a sleepless night. I appreciate the feedback and your thoughts. You hit the nail on the head.

[butdiduvote]

39. No, no, you were perfectly coherent!

I'm just a bit of a baby when it comes to politics, so I always try to make sure I'm actually understanding what people are saying.

I appreciate you making the point. I'm so annoyed that the 2016 election revitalized these bigots for a bit longer.

[UCmeNdc]

30. Agree! But the independent special prosecutor has to proceed

It is like taking medicine. We have to take it or the illness will only get worse.

[UCmeNdc]

31. You see.... Russia is not going to let go now.

Do Not Trust What Trump And His People Say. Ask for a special prosecutor. Put them all under oath!

You cannot trust them all. Even Ryan acts strange when asked about investigating and national security. The obvious answer is yes investigate. If there is nothing wrong then we are better off than guessing.

[Bucky]

33. and of course we are still cleaning up Bush's mess in the Middle East

[GreenEyedLefty]

37. Yup, and there is a reason why Congress won't act.

They are just as bought and sold as the Trump minions. The corruption is deep and dark.

[COLGATE4]

38. Without even mentioning the damage that is yet

to be done before we finally rid ourselves of this band of brigands and anarchists. Our grandhildren will still be paying for this horrible mistake.

[coco22]

41. Kick.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. i have not been happy since all my predictions have started coming true since Jan 19th

this shit impacts real lives

[Blue_Tires]

43. True, but we've got to start from somewhere