The thing that burns me, really BURNS me about this Russiangate is that

[lunamagica]

Election fraud was commited. Hillary won. Hillary should be in the WH.

THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN AND, AND SO THE REAL WINNER SHOULD TAKE HER PLACE AS PRESIDENT!!!

But it wont happen!

It will be President Trump, President Pence, or President Ryan.

No matter what happens, they got away with it.

How can this be called JUSTICE? HOW!?!?!?!

[handmade34]

1. Hillary won...

our Country has lost a great opportunity by not putting her in the White House

[lunamagica]

3. She won by a landslide. Only President Obama received more votes than she did

And that was only for his first term.

I believe that not having Hillary serve as president is a tragic loss for this nation...

[bdamomma]

10. tragic for this nation

and the world.

[Orrex]

4. Almost every post-election analysis I've seen is an anti-Clinton screed

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In every case, the wise pundits are eager to tell us what Clinton should have done. She should have reached out to white working class voters. She should have been more up front about her emails. She should have embraced the far left. Blah blah blah.

What every single one of these bullshit analyses overlooks is the fact that SHE FUCKING WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY A MARGIN OF 3 MILLION!

It frankly strikes me as sexist, requiring that she not only exceed the vote total of her male opponent, but that she exceed it by an even more vast sum.


If she did anything wrong, it's that she failed to understand the raw malignancy of the Trump campaign and the lengths to which the Putin/Republican machine would go in order to seize "victory."

[truebluegreen]

6. Almost every post-election analysis that insists Hillary won

glosses over the fact that she lost by the rules that she knew as well or better than anybody.

So if she did anything wrong, it was not in paying sufficient attention to those rules.

[Orrex]

7. That remains to be seen

As far as I'm aware, the rules do not include "aggressively suppress voter turnout" or "leak false information re: pending indictments."

And if it turns out that Putin meddled with the election, then I'm pretty sure that the rules don't include "collude with a hostile foreign power in order to usurp the presidency" either.


So I repeat:

If she did anything wrong, it's that she failed to understand the raw malignancy of the Trump campaign and the lengths to which the Putin/Republican machine would go in order to seize "victory."

[truebluegreen]

8. Rules I am referring to are the Electoral College.

[Orrex]

9. I know

And I repeat:

If she did anything wrong, it's that she failed to understand the raw malignancy of the Trump campaign and the lengths to which the Putin/Republican machine would go in order to seize "victory."

[Bettie]

13. Aggressive voter suppression in key states made a huge difference

many, many legitimate voters were purged and it did make a difference.

Many legitimate voters were also turned away at the polls due to new voter ID regulations.

Both efforts were aimed primarily at typically Democratic voters.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. This cannot be ignored or brushed aside as an annoying inconvenient detail.

I completely agree with you.

Anyone claiming she failed to appreciate how the EC impacts the direction and focus of a presidential campaign is being absolutely absurd. Voter suppression tactics could easily have made enough of a difference to swing the EC results. And in my opinion, they did. Hillary Clinton is too experienced, intelligent, and savvy to have failed in this regard. It just makes no sense given her background or the campaign strategy she employed.

[pnwmom]

41. We don't know that -- and especially now there is NO reason to be confident

that she did lose because of 70,000 votes in 3 states. None of those states had a full recount by hand of paper ballots -- paper ballots didn't exist everywhere in those states. And we also know there was significant voter suppression.

There is nothing in the rules ,by the way, that says it's fine to win with an assist from Russia.
Or from the FBI.

[Bettie]

48. Also, at least two of those states had

aggressive suppression efforts through crosscheck.

Wisconsin also has a very strict voter ID law and turned many away on election day.

I see you mentioned this, but it can not be said too often, the orange creature did not win legitimately.

[pnwmom]

50. Thanks, Bettie. It is annoying when people,

especially "greens" and other "progressives," claim that Hillary "knew the rules" and so should have won. Even though the rules were broken so widely in this election.

[LisaM]

56. Her lawyers have been very involved with voter suppression issues

the problem is, as soon as you fix one problem, another crops up. And the victories are slow in coming (though they do come).

Remember back in Arizona in the primaries when the GOP shut down all the election sites? Well, it was her team that was in court a day or two later fighting it. Despite that, there were still not enough polling places in November.

[Cosmocat]

15. OH, and if had been reversed

had Clinton won electorally and the jackass had 3 million more votes ...

We WOULD have had armed insurgency and the media WOULD be saying, "well, they do have a point ..."

[Bettie]

49. My husband and I discussed that

and how hard it would be to have the moral high ground on that one.

Seems they have no problem with that.

We'd still be mired in lawsuits had this been reversed.

[SHRED]

39. The big letdown for me has been

Obama not being forceful enough last summer during Russian influence.

[malchickiwick]

44. I feel that way too.

I think the only explanation is that he was so sure HRC would win anyway that he didn't act because he knew how political it would look. Bet he wishes he could take a mulligan on that decision?

[deurbano]

47. That... and appointing Comey.

[Solomon]

52. Yeah. It was all Obama's fault.

Obama bad. Worked his ass off for Hillary but it wasn't enough.

[SHRED]

57. Never said that.

[JI7]

59. they would have accused Obama of rigging for Clinton and it would have hurt her more

i don't know why people act like the media was just going to be ok with it.

they would do as they did with the emails , benghazi and anything else.

[LisaM]

55. She did understand it. She brought it up many times.

She got pretty much laughed at for it.

[Skittles]

61. as I have said before

the most qualified candidate (a woman) in America to run for president was held to impossible standards, while the least qualified candidate in history (a man) was held to no standards at all

[Orrex]

63. Completely true from start to finish

And of course it continues even now, because the GOP (and the media) would certainly have crucified President Hillary Clinton if her administration had produced any single one of the daily Trump scandals. For that matter, imagine if she sent out any of Trump's insane and petty tweets, or if she'd off-handedly insulted our allies!

They would take it as proof that she (and, likely, that women in general) lack the temperament to serves as POTUS.

[CincyDem]

2. Between McConnell and Trump - TWO branches of g'ment were stolen.

Executive and Judicial...

Never Forget used to refer to 9/11. For me, it will always be Republican's theft of our government.

[scarletlib]

5. I was thinking about this last night.

If all of this could be absolutely proven with hard facts then there is a way that Hillary could become president.

The House of Representatives can appoint any one they wish as Speaker of the House. It can be anyone they choose and not even an elected member of the House.

If there was enough proof and outrage--then theoretically Ryan could be removed or made to step aside and Hillary elected as Speaker of the House. Then if Trump and Pence were removed from Office she would become the President.

A very long but not totally impossible probability.

[metalbot]

11. Speculation like this...

...is sort of like fantasizing how you're going to spend your lottery win. It can be fun, but it shouldn't be confused with reality.

[scarletlib]

14. I am not confusing this with reality.

It is speculation but it is withing the realm of possibility. It would take a tremendous amount of outrage and certainly a tremendous amount of integrity and courage on the part of the Congress. But it is not impossible. Extremely unlikely but not impossible.

[world wide wally]

31. Seeing even a scintilla of courage, integrity, patriotism or morality from this Congress

Would be mind numbing in itself.

[LanternWaste]

54. Who specifically is confusing speculation with probability?

Who specifically is confusing speculation with probability? Or are your words of worldly wisdom merely preemptive... just in case someone makes the mistake?

Or possibly you're simply clarifying the obvious mistake no one has made for your own edification?

[MacKasey]

18. Another way

Pense resigns ,Hillary is made vice president, Trump resigns/impeached , Hillary is President

[Vinca]

16. They stole a Supreme Court seat and now they've stolen the White House.

If the Supreme Court can step in and award an election to someone, can't they also take it away????

[boston bean]

17. We can demand it. Listen stranger things have happened. There are ways to make it happen.

To just accept this shit pie, in the face of Russian meddling in the election and a Party benefiting from that..

This is a whole new fucking ball game.

I'm not saying we get what we want. But we should never accept it. And we should be asking for an alternative.

[Botany]

19. How many down ticket races were flipped too?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/russians-suspected-hacking-wisconsin-dems/97023222/

POTUS, Vice POTUS, Supreme Court, the Senate, and not control of the House but
some House Races too.

We need new elections. This was a coup and we had treason.

[mopinko]

23. this is war. call in the cia,

have them examine the voting machines in every one of those "former obama" counties in mich, wis, fla, and pa. run a full forensic accounting on the entire thing in those counties.
i think they flipped these counties for the bully points. so they could call yo mama.

and btw, you know they were watching the vote. watching for any internet traffic, but they didnt have access to every machine.
but i think these counties are key.

[Botany]

24. Many moving pieces in the coup

Russia/Trump working together

Comey/FBI/Rudy G/Eric Prince

Cross Check and voter suppression

The unending and unneeded hearings into nothing as per HRC

********

We need an audit of the election.

[mopinko]

25. a greater hub of scum and villainy....

[mopinko]

27. that should be our battle cry right now. audit the fucking election.

call in the cia. start w the surprises, duh.

and examine all provisional ballots. track those voters down and find out why they were not given a regular ballot. that is where voter suppression is documented. assume for every placebo ballot there are more voters who just left. or who knew they would face roadblocks at the polls.

[Botany]

28. I do election protection work and a provisional ballot is not automatically a bad ballot

It just means it will be counted later. That doesn't mean that making people vote
a provisional ballot hasn't been used to "screw w/the vote" too.

[mopinko]

33. oh i know. but few do redeem their ballots.

and to me it is evidence. it does mean a voter that bumped into the system, and came up wrong somehow.

[itcfish]

51. Buttttttt

5 million illegal aliens voted!! Why didn't they vote for Hillary? LOL

[Akacia]

21. My feelings exactly! It is infuriating! n/t.

[Cha]

22. I know, lunamagica.. we're right there with you.

[vlyons]

26. It is not justice; it is reality

Like it or lump it; it is what it is. But it doesn't have to stay that way. If we want things to change going forward, we have to work to change the causes and conditions in effect now. Resist! Organize! Protest!

[BSdetect]

29. There will be a reckoning and major adjustment sometime.

The GOP has hid behind Scrotus' golden drapes too long.

But we could always see their feet.

[flamingdem]

30. If WE the people don't permit it - if we protest with total might

we may be able to pull off another solution.

Why should we accept a President Pence or Ryan?

That is NOT fair

[world wide wally]

32. I think our best course of action would be to initiate a push for a new General Election in 2018

Seems about as likely as any of these other scenarios.

[Bear Creek]

34. Election Reform

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=1thcO_olHas
Election fraud alright. Wonder why Jon Husted immediately said not Ohio when Trump stated he wanted an investigation. Red flag of guilt.

[VaBchTgerLily]

35. what burns me is the republicans refuse to investigate-if this was Hillary they'd be thru the roof!

[Grammy23]

36. I don't understand how the election results can be allowed to stand

if it can be proven that there was major disruption to the integrity of the vote through a variety of methods. I get it that it was "certified" and all that. But rancid meat is still rancid even if the meat inspector swore on a stack of cook books that it was USDA prime.

We must demand an audit that is done independently of the people and parties involved. Starting today. We should accept nothing less. And if the Constitution is not prepared for this, then that can be addressed, too. The rightful winner should not have to walk away only because our constitution never addressed massive election tampering. It just needs to be fixed and dealt with. Now.

As the saying goes.....the worm has turned and we are not gonna sit down and be quiet while a foreign dictator wrecks avok with our nation. Resist!!

[Lonestarblue]

37. And why did the CIA/FBI not release Trump-Russia info before the election?

We now know that Trump's campaign operatives were in contact with Russian intelligence for at least a year before the election. Russian intelligence! And our own taxpayer-funded intelligence management did not believe that little fact important enough for voters to know prior to the election! No one with any sense would believe that authoritarian Trump did not know about every conversation with the Russians. And there is no excuse for any campaign to be in contact with Russian intelligence unless it was specifically to collude with them to steal an American election. The Supreme Court needs a case brought where they can declare this election null and void--not that I expect that to happen. We need to keep this in front of voters through the 2018 election!

[PatrickforO]

38. Please join efforts in your state to get your state legislature to

pass a 'national popular vote' law. This law forces a state's electors to vote the way the national popular vote went, not that state's popular vote. In effect, it eliminates the electoral college if enough states pass it. The minute the legislation is in effect in a group of states that make up over 270 electoral votes, then the electoral college is DONE.

Please form small neighborhood groups to pressure your legislators today.

[Mr. Ected]

40. We live in a nation of laws

And the Founding Fathers didn't account for a hot mess like we just experienced.

Because of partisanship, the legislature won't pass any bills that address this issue should it occur again in the future.

We have a lovely Constitution, but there are some blind spots that were not and will not be remedied.

[nolabels]

62. We live in nation built on myth of money

We are no wiser than those other civilizations that fell before. Having trust in something outside our own human capabilities that it will or something it controls will come to our rescue. It will take a human effort to put things back in order

[nikibatts]

42. We have to leave that in the rearview mirror and work our butts off to get a Dem House and Senate!!

That is most important. Almost more important than a Dem President as the GOP showed us the past 7.5 years.

[DinahMoeHum]

43. Where the fuck is Charlie Wilson now that we need him?

As a Democrat who loved to have a good time while fighting the bad guys (and he was a Naval Academy grad), he'd be absolutely sickened over the way Trump and the GOP are playing kissy-kissy with the likes of Putin and the Russian oligharchs.

[First Speaker]

45. Just imagine for a moment if the tables were turned...

...and the GOP had won the popular vote, but lost the Electoral College...and it was proved that the Dem candidate had done what Trump had done. (I know that no Dem would actually do this; it's only the GOP that pulls this shit. 1968; 1980; 2016. See a pattern?) But if. And assume, too, they had no control of either house of Congress. They would be taking the matter to the streets, trying to suborn the military into a coup, having their media assets calling for a revolution. Day and night, we'd be hearing this. Fox "news" would be going nuclear. The state legislatures they controlled would be openly passing nullification statutes. And this would just be a start. That's because the GOP--no matter how hateful--has guts, and doesn't care if they're called names or laughed at by the Washington Village. They play to win. We play by the rules.

[INdemo]

46. If one really obseved closely the confindence level

elevate by Trump and his campaign insdiers and even some Republican pundits it was somewhat obvious that the fix was in ....knowing what we know now.
It was like in 2000 after Florida was called for Gore and then Bush Jr stated that he would not concede as if he know and obviously he did know something was up in that state....
Every thing was just too damn easy and too damn close and the barriers that were set up in Michigan,PA and Wisconsin preventing an actual vote recount. There were admissions that yes the "vote count was official and Trump won"

Did it make sense that North Carolina elected a Democratic governor and Trump won the state? I dont know..
I think the Republican attitude has always been after a Democrat has had 8 years in the White House is that they will not lose and will win back the White House at all costs.....

So yes I agree with you 150%

[Skittles]

53. well we all knew from the start something was very wrong

it completely stinks

[Control-Z]

58. I haven't posted a lot since the election

but what I do post is usually similar in sentiment. Screw this attitude about figuring out what Hillary did wrong so we can pick up a few Congressional seats 2018. Bull fucking shit on that. Hillary won. Period. I think we should all stop the nonsense and demand, not a new election, but the election we actually already won.

The maggot knows it. That's why every chance he gets he lies about his electoral "landslide". He knows that any real investigation would prove what we already know. Hillary won in every way.

Damn it. I'm sick to death of liars and cheats. My life was pretty much destroyed by a malignant narcissist. Now it is happening to my country by the same cruel means.

[TheFrenchRazor]

60. truth is, there is absolutely no penalty for election fraud. nt