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Over the years, we have watched the Republicans in action.
We have watched them obstruct programs that benefit the people whose interests they were elected to represent.
We have heard them rail about a smaller, less intrusive government when it comes to regulations that protect the citizenry, while touting the need for government interference when it comes to a woman's right to choose, or a same-sex couple's right to marry.
We have heard their endless rhetoric about the careless spending of Democrats, while they promote ever-increasing tax-breaks for wealthy corporations and individuals.
We have witnessed their disdain for the environment, the dismantling of laws that keep our water clean and potable, our food supply safe, and our communities free of toxic elements that endanger our health and well-being.
We have listened to their hypocritical statements about family values and protecting the unborn usually delivered by men married to a third or fourth wife, who consistently demonstrate their utter disdain for the plight of children already born.
We have watched as they have wasted millions of taxpayer dollars trying to overturn programs like Obamacare, while decrying every penny spent on programs that feed the hungry or house the homeless.
We have watched as they clamour for war; we have also watched as they turn their backs on the veterans who return injured and broken from the battles they were sent to fight.
Over the years, many of us have wondered just how low the GOP is willing to go. We have waited in anticipation for the depths of their depravity to be reached, for the bottom of the barrel to be so thoroughly scraped there is no longer any chance of them going any lower than theyve already sunk.
But with the election of Donald Trump, we now have our answer.
When you elect an incompetent, mentally unbalanced madman to the presidency, there IS no bottom to the barrel its depths are infinite. When you place the reins of power in the hands of a Putin puppet, there IS no floor, no point at which you are willing to put country above party. When you put the nuclear codes into the hands of a self-absorbed idiot, there is NO end to how low you are willing to sink.
Any hope that there are reasonable people within the GOP that are willing to put the brakes on our nations speedy descent into catastrophe are now dashed. Any thoughts that cooler heads within the Republican party would prevail over madness are now gone. Any benefit of the doubt we have given to Republicans, any excuses we have made for their actions, any second-guessing we have done in order to attribute some reasonableness to their agenda are now proven to be without basis or merit.
There is an enemy in our midst. There is no limit to how low they will go to destroy the country they swore to serve and protect. There are no boundaries of decency they are willing to acknowledge; there are no lines they are unwilling to cross.
And any lingering doubts as to who that enemy is have now been forever erased.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)leftstreet
(36,103 posts)Their agenda, and their pocket-lining careers, are more important than maintaining a useful idiot as cover
Afromania
(2,768 posts)This doesn't just hit the nail on the head, but drive it in with mental telepathy. We're going to be held hostage by this cluster of a human right up until its clear they are in danger of being voted out.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)But their only motivation will be to protect their "brand". The welfare of the country and its citizens won't even be a vague consideration.
trusty elf
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Sienna86
(2,149 posts)Once he's no longer useful, they might urge him to go or use impeachment.
Raster
(20,998 posts)calimary
(81,195 posts)He once said all they needed in the Oval Office was someone who could hold a pen - so he'd simply sign whatever they put in front of him. Didn't even matter to him who, or what, it was.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...in a toxic, odious package called Rump*.
calimary
(81,195 posts)Not only by me, either.
And sad-but-true, Raster, that's precisely what they got. A vulgar, vainglorious wanna-be dictator.
azureblue
(2,146 posts)Yeah, they can dump him, but America sees all too clearly how they cheered, cheated, and supported this moron to get him elected. They can Dump 45 overboard, but they are chained to him.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)present and future, depend upon these votes. Sure they can give up two votes against a nominee, Susan Collins and fill in the blank. There will never be more than two defections, because they can. They have been at war with Democrats for years with only the Democrats playing by the rules.
The big money decided they are going for it all this round, even getting rid of Trump only delays them. I hope Trump's continued distractions keep them from doing it all before the mid-terms. The reason they don't just dump him now is it would take up too much time and be a huge distraction from their Donor's agenda.
I just wish someone would investigate all of the Quid Pro Quo going on! They control our government buy owning politicians. All an investigator had to do would be to pay to go to one of the fundraisors and listen during the meet and greet. Trump was a bad bet, but if they get their agenda passed what do they care!
Sorry, had to rant
Kath2
(3,074 posts)I will be at the Not My President demonstration in DC tomorrow.
We need to fight this with all we have!
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)The Sand Reckoner
(194 posts)Anyone who has voted for any Republican in the last 36 years is complicit in what is happening to the country now. Anyone who has coddled Republican friends and family members, and let them believe that their attitudes and behaviors were somehow normal and acceptable differences of opinion is to blame.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... like Jerry Lewis used to do for kids with CP.
"Republicans maim, injure and kill millions of citizens every year. Let's work together to wipe out this disease in our lifetime."
griloco
(832 posts)Yet they hate football.
When Obama QB'd they wouldn't block, tackle, catch, or run. The Anti-Americans
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Here where I live I'm surrounded by fascists. I give them hell.
Or as HST said. "I don't give them hell, I just tell them the truth, they think it's hell".
Leith
(7,808 posts)and every word is true. You need a bigger audience.
raccoon
(31,109 posts)Hekate
(90,633 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)For the country they profess to love. They all wear their little flag pin like that is a sign of their allegiance to our country. But it is just a little piece of tin, probably made in China. Not one will stand up to our enemy. You are right Nance--now we know. So what do we do about it? Thank you for your excellent writing.
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TomCADem
(17,387 posts)...They covered up for Russian inteference. Entertainted conspiracy theories. Now, there really is no way for them to back away from the crazy.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)They now OWN the crazy.
I've no doubt the GOP will force Trump to step down - but they'll do it to protect their "brand", and not out of any concern for the country.
What will be interesting is how they try to spin the fact that they elected a madman in the first place. I don't think "Ooops! Our bad!" is going to cut it.
Sebasdad22
(68 posts)I ask "Republicans" to name one thing the Republican Party truly stands for that is not evil.
They can only drool and babble nonsense.
Point made.
Brogrizzly
(145 posts)I think about historically Nixon, Reagan, Bush, how these leaders colluded with the "sane" Republicans. One to keep the Vietnam war going, one to sell weapons to Iran, and the last to invade a country that did nothing to us. Trump to me is the amalgamation of years of disdain towards the people of this country, by policy of the republicans. I can not agree with you more.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
Cha
(297,123 posts)eloquently!
malaise
(268,885 posts)I never had a doubt - I saw how they treated Obama
raccoon
(31,109 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)My anger at the GOP knows no limits. Each day gets worse.
It helps to know so many good people are trying to dislodge these greedy ignorant creeps.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Decent people have to remember all this when elections roll around. Vote the gop OUT. Right now tRump is serving their purpose, destroy all social programs. Once REALITY bites them, the tide will turn. Even stupid followers have to face the truth sometime. Letting them keep their weapons is great for them, until they realize they can not afford bullets!!
spanone
(135,816 posts)Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
-- H. L. Mencken
Apply this to essentially any republican
mcar
(42,298 posts)IntraPolitico
(51 posts)'There is an enemy in our midst. There is no limit to how low they will go to destroy the country they swore to serve and protect. There are no boundaries of decency they are willing to acknowledge; there are no lines they are unwilling to cross.'
Truer words have not been spoken.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You could not have said it any more perfectly.
old guy
(3,283 posts)Akamai
(1,779 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I have nothing to add to a great post; I just want to K&R
dalton99a
(81,433 posts)Percy Cholmondeley
(74 posts)And the signature line of Lincoln's - "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power", that's also true of a political party, as we are seeing. Last year, when McConnell said the next president would be the one to put on the court a Scalia replacement, that was a signal that the fix was in. Back in the '30s when democrats had control of the three branches, look what they did - sweeping changes to benefit the 99% and America. Now, the GOP has control, and look what they're doing with it. These republicans are all accomplices -- beneficiaries, and it's plain to see how delighted they are. The lesson from this is: If you're willing to stoop low enough, and have no shame, you can win in the modern US. What kind of American is glad to benefit from traitorous activity? There's a name for it.
Initech
(100,060 posts)The republicans don't care. All they know is that they hate liberals, and thanks to AM hate radio's relentless brainwashing, they simply don't care who they stomp over to get more power. It's truly disgusting.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)Trump was elected through winning enough votes in enough states to put him over the 270.
People voted for Trump who should have been voting Dem all along.
Why?
We have no vehicle to get the message out. Comcast took over MSNBC and drove it right. Al Jezeera isn't around any more. And a huge number of Americans get a steady stream of corporatist propaganda via Fox news and talk radio.
When Republican idol Reagan, who was a shitty president by the way, vetoed the 1987 Fairness Doctrine bill from Congress and so allowed the doctrine that had been set up in 1949 and had made this nation great with truth...
died.
And so we saw Fox and hate-talk radio metastasize across our once-great nation like a cancer until millions of Americans have been brainwashed, perhaps irretrievably.
We on the left watch the comedy channel and laugh, sometimes cry, but comedians are limited in getting the message of truth out.
Now, we have corporate money flowing capitalist corruption and buying off the very people we've elected to ostensibly represent us - including those in our own party. My own Dem Senator has often voted for corporate interests. Oh, not as often or as openly as his GOP counterpart, but in spite of the (D) next to his name, he is still beholden to a variety of corporate interests because of the disease that is Citizens United.
And, you know what else? I don't own a gun. I don't believe in them. I believe in gun control. Many, many of us do not own guns. Now the right wing crazies are HEAVILY ARMED and organized into hate-militias. So we can only become so militant and no more. Our words, sentiments and logical cases against right wing hate don't even make the mainstream and certainly the right isn't even exposed to them. My right wing acquaintances don't even concede that the Republican party agreed on the night of Obama's inauguration to oppose EVERYTHING he did. Yet they did.
And then we have Bannon, who is a self-proclaimed apocalypticist. If he can, he will use his position of power to take our nation to the precipice of Armageddon and over. Because, hey, that will precipitate the return of Jesus for his 1,000 year post-tribulation reign.
So taking back this republic from corporate greed and right wing corruption is going to be a heavy lift. Bill Maher sings, "Where have you gone, John McCain, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you..." But McCain is in his 80s. There are so few old-school Republicans who still remember the days of the statesmen. Certainly Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan are little more than corporate embezzlers.
Jane Fonda speaks of p**sy power, or the power of women, and we harken back to the women's march in revolutionary France that finally ended the profligate reign of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. Maybe a huge march of women wearing pink knitted hats COULD take our nation back, if they aren't shot down in the streets by smirking men who say, "Hey, you wanted to be EQUAL..."
Yes, we have a majority of Americans who are horrified, and together we could make changes. That's what the RESIST movement is - our base becoming more and more militant at the grass roots level.
Optimism...
Sigh.
I fear merely saying 'now we know' won't do much good. In the meantime, the roundups are about to begin. Guantanamo won't be enough...they'll have to build camps.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Weeping and kicking at the same time.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)"... I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love has always won. There have been murderers and tyrants, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it, always."
- Mahatma Gandhi
#Resist
Rex
(65,616 posts)He was a huge slimeball that helped lead us to Bush/Cheney and now Trump. Some older than I go back to Nixon. Me personally, I think all GOPers are scum of the earth types that worship only one thing.
DFW
(54,335 posts)Look no further to put names on those categories: Putin and Trump.
Очень просто/Very simple
concreteblue
(626 posts)Elected Republicans are hypocritical Douchebags. Say it out Loud......