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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 10:58 PM Feb 2017

So Now We Know

Over the years, we have watched the Republicans in action.

We have watched them obstruct programs that benefit the people whose interests they were elected to represent.

We have heard them rail about a smaller, less intrusive government when it comes to regulations that protect the citizenry, while touting the need for government interference when it comes to a woman's right to choose, or a same-sex couple's right to marry.

We have heard their endless rhetoric about the careless spending of Democrats, while they promote ever-increasing tax-breaks for wealthy corporations and individuals.

We have witnessed their disdain for the environment, the dismantling of laws that keep our water clean and potable, our food supply safe, and our communities free of toxic elements that endanger our health and well-being.

We have listened to their hypocritical statements about family values and protecting the unborn – usually delivered by men married to a third or fourth wife, who consistently demonstrate their utter disdain for the plight of children already born.

We have watched as they have wasted millions of taxpayer dollars trying to overturn programs like Obamacare, while decrying every penny spent on programs that feed the hungry or house the homeless.

We have watched as they clamour for war; we have also watched as they turn their backs on the veterans who return injured and broken from the battles they were sent to fight.

Over the years, many of us have wondered just how low the GOP is willing to go. We have waited in anticipation for the depths of their depravity to be reached, for the bottom of the barrel to be so thoroughly scraped there is no longer any chance of them going any lower than they’ve already sunk.

But with the “election” of Donald Trump, we now have our answer.

When you elect an incompetent, mentally unbalanced madman to the presidency, there IS no bottom to the barrel – its depths are infinite. When you place the reins of power in the hands of a Putin puppet, there IS no floor, no point at which you are willing to put country above party. When you put the nuclear codes into the hands of a self-absorbed idiot, there is NO end to how low you are willing to sink.

Any hope that there are reasonable people within the GOP that are willing to put the brakes on our nation’s speedy descent into catastrophe are now dashed. Any thoughts that “cooler heads” within the Republican party would prevail over madness are now gone. Any benefit of the doubt we have given to Republicans, any excuses we have made for their actions, any second-guessing we have done in order to attribute some reasonableness to their agenda are now proven to be without basis or merit.

There is an enemy in our midst. There is no limit to how low they will go to destroy the country they swore to serve and protect. There are no boundaries of decency they are willing to acknowledge; there are no lines they are unwilling to cross.

And any lingering doubts as to who that enemy is have now been forever erased.

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So Now We Know (Original Post) NanceGreggs Feb 2017 OP
Another great post Nance Gothmog Feb 2017 #1
They'll dump him when he's too great a liability leftstreet Feb 2017 #2
I wish you could rec responses. Afromania Feb 2017 #4
Yes, they will. NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #6
.... trusty elf Feb 2017 #26
They will use him to sign legislation they want. Sienna86 Feb 2017 #30
At this point in time, Rump* is just a life support system for the hand the holds the pen. Raster Feb 2017 #48
Exactly. That's what Grover Norquist ordered. calimary Feb 2017 #49
And that is exactly what they got... Raster Feb 2017 #51
I've heard him described as a "useful idiot." calimary Feb 2017 #55
But now they are chained to Trump azureblue Feb 2017 #36
Their Donor's agenda that is. The Republicans stay in lockstep because their campaign money, past, Dustlawyer Feb 2017 #53
Well said, NanceGreggs! Kath2 Feb 2017 #3
Not My president. sheshe2 Feb 2017 #5
Very well said! Happyhippychick Feb 2017 #7
+1 kr n/t jaysunb Feb 2017 #8
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Feb 2017 #9
Was there ever a doubt? The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #10
Republicans are a disease ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #11
Maybe we should have a telethon ... NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #14
They want to be quarterback griloco Feb 2017 #12
I'm not afraid of terrorists. It's Republicans who will doom this nation. Saboburns Feb 2017 #13
You're an Excellent Writer Leith Feb 2017 #15
I second that emotion! nt raccoon Feb 2017 #29
Kick Hekate Feb 2017 #16
KNR Lucinda Feb 2017 #17
I was waiting. Was there not one patriotic citizen willing to stand up notdarkyet Feb 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Ccarmona Feb 2017 #19
The Republicans Are In Too Deep... TomCADem Feb 2017 #20
Exactly. NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #21
Excellent Post Sebasdad22 Feb 2017 #22
You are so spot on. Brogrizzly Feb 2017 #23
And remember they said nothing when... Duppers Feb 2017 #24
AbsoFuckingLutely, Nance.. thank you for spelling it out so Cha Feb 2017 #25
K & R malaise Feb 2017 #27
Great post, especially this: raccoon Feb 2017 #28
Thanks for your comments. Very true. BSdetect Feb 2017 #31
Elections Scarsdale Feb 2017 #32
K&R... spanone Feb 2017 #33
This Bob Loblaw Feb 2017 #34
K&R mcar Feb 2017 #35
Powerful stuff IntraPolitico Feb 2017 #37
Bravo! smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #38
Nothing to add except: Bravo! old guy Feb 2017 #39
Great post! Republican leaders are not human, or at least don't behave as if they were. Akamai Feb 2017 #40
Bravo! NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #41
There is no bottom, indeed. dalton99a Feb 2017 #42
Outstanding post!! Percy Cholmondeley Feb 2017 #43
Donald Trump is what happens when you put party loyalty over the people. Initech Feb 2017 #44
Well, Nance, we have all known this for quite some time, but the thing is PatrickforO Feb 2017 #45
Saved. raven mad Feb 2017 #46
Indeed! Excellent post! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2017 #47
"When I despair... Fritz Walter Feb 2017 #50
A lot of us knew this since Reagan and the betrayal of his oath. Rex Feb 2017 #52
The classic phrase, "against all enemies, foreign and domestic" DFW Feb 2017 #54
Yup... concreteblue Feb 2017 #56

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
2. They'll dump him when he's too great a liability
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:01 PM
Feb 2017

Their agenda, and their pocket-lining careers, are more important than maintaining a useful idiot as cover

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
4. I wish you could rec responses.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:06 PM
Feb 2017

This doesn't just hit the nail on the head, but drive it in with mental telepathy. We're going to be held hostage by this cluster of a human right up until its clear they are in danger of being voted out.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
6. Yes, they will.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:08 PM
Feb 2017

But their only motivation will be to protect their "brand". The welfare of the country and its citizens won't even be a vague consideration.

Sienna86

(2,149 posts)
30. They will use him to sign legislation they want.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:30 AM
Feb 2017

Once he's no longer useful, they might urge him to go or use impeachment.

calimary

(81,195 posts)
49. Exactly. That's what Grover Norquist ordered.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:40 PM
Feb 2017

He once said all they needed in the Oval Office was someone who could hold a pen - so he'd simply sign whatever they put in front of him. Didn't even matter to him who, or what, it was.

calimary

(81,195 posts)
55. I've heard him described as a "useful idiot."
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:44 PM
Feb 2017

Not only by me, either.

And sad-but-true, Raster, that's precisely what they got. A vulgar, vainglorious wanna-be dictator.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
36. But now they are chained to Trump
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 10:22 AM
Feb 2017

Yeah, they can dump him, but America sees all too clearly how they cheered, cheated, and supported this moron to get him elected. They can Dump 45 overboard, but they are chained to him.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
53. Their Donor's agenda that is. The Republicans stay in lockstep because their campaign money, past,
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:31 PM
Feb 2017

present and future, depend upon these votes. Sure they can give up two votes against a nominee, Susan Collins and fill in the blank. There will never be more than two defections, because they can. They have been at war with Democrats for years with only the Democrats playing by the rules.

The big money decided they are going for it all this round, even getting rid of Trump only delays them. I hope Trump's continued distractions keep them from doing it all before the mid-terms. The reason they don't just dump him now is it would take up too much time and be a huge distraction from their Donor's agenda.

I just wish someone would investigate all of the Quid Pro Quo going on! They control our government buy owning politicians. All an investigator had to do would be to pay to go to one of the fundraisors and listen during the meet and greet. Trump was a bad bet, but if they get their agenda passed what do they care!

Sorry, had to rant

Kath2

(3,074 posts)
3. Well said, NanceGreggs!
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:06 PM
Feb 2017

I will be at the Not My President demonstration in DC tomorrow.

We need to fight this with all we have!

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
10. Was there ever a doubt?
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:19 PM
Feb 2017

Anyone who has voted for any Republican in the last 36 years is complicit in what is happening to the country now. Anyone who has coddled Republican friends and family members, and let them believe that their attitudes and behaviors were somehow normal and acceptable differences of opinion is to blame.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
14. Maybe we should have a telethon ...
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:32 PM
Feb 2017

... like Jerry Lewis used to do for kids with CP.

"Republicans maim, injure and kill millions of citizens every year. Let's work together to wipe out this disease in our lifetime."

griloco

(832 posts)
12. They want to be quarterback
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:27 PM
Feb 2017

Yet they hate football.
When Obama QB'd they wouldn't block, tackle, catch, or run. The Anti-Americans

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
13. I'm not afraid of terrorists. It's Republicans who will doom this nation.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:28 PM
Feb 2017

Here where I live I'm surrounded by fascists. I give them hell.

Or as HST said. "I don't give them hell, I just tell them the truth, they think it's hell".

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
18. I was waiting. Was there not one patriotic citizen willing to stand up
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 12:36 AM
Feb 2017

For the country they profess to love. They all wear their little flag pin like that is a sign of their allegiance to our country. But it is just a little piece of tin, probably made in China. Not one will stand up to our enemy. You are right Nance--now we know. So what do we do about it? Thank you for your excellent writing.

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
20. The Republicans Are In Too Deep...
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 12:57 AM
Feb 2017

...They covered up for Russian inteference. Entertainted conspiracy theories. Now, there really is no way for them to back away from the crazy.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
21. Exactly.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:09 AM
Feb 2017

They now OWN the crazy.

I've no doubt the GOP will force Trump to step down - but they'll do it to protect their "brand", and not out of any concern for the country.

What will be interesting is how they try to spin the fact that they elected a madman in the first place. I don't think "Ooops! Our bad!" is going to cut it.

 

Sebasdad22

(68 posts)
22. Excellent Post
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:11 AM
Feb 2017

I ask "Republicans" to name one thing the Republican Party truly stands for that is not evil.

They can only drool and babble nonsense.

Point made.

Brogrizzly

(145 posts)
23. You are so spot on.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:58 AM
Feb 2017

I think about historically Nixon, Reagan, Bush, how these leaders colluded with the "sane" Republicans. One to keep the Vietnam war going, one to sell weapons to Iran, and the last to invade a country that did nothing to us. Trump to me is the amalgamation of years of disdain towards the people of this country, by policy of the republicans. I can not agree with you more.

raccoon

(31,109 posts)
28. Great post, especially this:
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:41 AM
Feb 2017
When you place the reins of power in the hands of a Putin puppet, there IS no floor, no point at which you are willing to put country above party.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
31. Thanks for your comments. Very true.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:42 AM
Feb 2017

My anger at the GOP knows no limits. Each day gets worse.

It helps to know so many good people are trying to dislodge these greedy ignorant creeps.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
32. Elections
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:11 AM
Feb 2017

Decent people have to remember all this when elections roll around. Vote the gop OUT. Right now tRump is serving their purpose, destroy all social programs. Once REALITY bites them, the tide will turn. Even stupid followers have to face the truth sometime. Letting them keep their weapons is great for them, until they realize they can not afford bullets!!

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
34. This
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 10:00 AM
Feb 2017

As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

-- H. L. Mencken

Apply this to essentially any republican

 

IntraPolitico

(51 posts)
37. Powerful stuff
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 10:37 AM
Feb 2017

'There is an enemy in our midst. There is no limit to how low they will go to destroy the country they swore to serve and protect. There are no boundaries of decency they are willing to acknowledge; there are no lines they are unwilling to cross.'

Truer words have not been spoken.

43. Outstanding post!!
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 12:53 PM
Feb 2017

And the signature line of Lincoln's - "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power", that's also true of a political party, as we are seeing. Last year, when McConnell said the next president would be the one to put on the court a Scalia replacement, that was a signal that the fix was in. Back in the '30s when democrats had control of the three branches, look what they did - sweeping changes to benefit the 99% and America. Now, the GOP has control, and look what they're doing with it. These republicans are all accomplices -- beneficiaries, and it's plain to see how delighted they are. The lesson from this is: If you're willing to stoop low enough, and have no shame, you can win in the modern US. What kind of American is glad to benefit from traitorous activity? There's a name for it.

Initech

(100,060 posts)
44. Donald Trump is what happens when you put party loyalty over the people.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:00 PM
Feb 2017

The republicans don't care. All they know is that they hate liberals, and thanks to AM hate radio's relentless brainwashing, they simply don't care who they stomp over to get more power. It's truly disgusting.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
45. Well, Nance, we have all known this for quite some time, but the thing is
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 02:01 PM
Feb 2017

Trump was elected through winning enough votes in enough states to put him over the 270.

People voted for Trump who should have been voting Dem all along.

Why?

We have no vehicle to get the message out. Comcast took over MSNBC and drove it right. Al Jezeera isn't around any more. And a huge number of Americans get a steady stream of corporatist propaganda via Fox news and talk radio.

When Republican idol Reagan, who was a shitty president by the way, vetoed the 1987 Fairness Doctrine bill from Congress and so allowed the doctrine that had been set up in 1949 and had made this nation great with truth...

died.

And so we saw Fox and hate-talk radio metastasize across our once-great nation like a cancer until millions of Americans have been brainwashed, perhaps irretrievably.

We on the left watch the comedy channel and laugh, sometimes cry, but comedians are limited in getting the message of truth out.

Now, we have corporate money flowing capitalist corruption and buying off the very people we've elected to ostensibly represent us - including those in our own party. My own Dem Senator has often voted for corporate interests. Oh, not as often or as openly as his GOP counterpart, but in spite of the (D) next to his name, he is still beholden to a variety of corporate interests because of the disease that is Citizens United.

And, you know what else? I don't own a gun. I don't believe in them. I believe in gun control. Many, many of us do not own guns. Now the right wing crazies are HEAVILY ARMED and organized into hate-militias. So we can only become so militant and no more. Our words, sentiments and logical cases against right wing hate don't even make the mainstream and certainly the right isn't even exposed to them. My right wing acquaintances don't even concede that the Republican party agreed on the night of Obama's inauguration to oppose EVERYTHING he did. Yet they did.

And then we have Bannon, who is a self-proclaimed apocalypticist. If he can, he will use his position of power to take our nation to the precipice of Armageddon and over. Because, hey, that will precipitate the return of Jesus for his 1,000 year post-tribulation reign.

So taking back this republic from corporate greed and right wing corruption is going to be a heavy lift. Bill Maher sings, "Where have you gone, John McCain, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you..." But McCain is in his 80s. There are so few old-school Republicans who still remember the days of the statesmen. Certainly Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan are little more than corporate embezzlers.

Jane Fonda speaks of p**sy power, or the power of women, and we harken back to the women's march in revolutionary France that finally ended the profligate reign of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. Maybe a huge march of women wearing pink knitted hats COULD take our nation back, if they aren't shot down in the streets by smirking men who say, "Hey, you wanted to be EQUAL..."

Yes, we have a majority of Americans who are horrified, and together we could make changes. That's what the RESIST movement is - our base becoming more and more militant at the grass roots level.

Optimism...

Sigh.

I fear merely saying 'now we know' won't do much good. In the meantime, the roundups are about to begin. Guantanamo won't be enough...they'll have to build camps.




Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
50. "When I despair...
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:48 PM
Feb 2017

"... I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love has always won. There have been murderers and tyrants, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it, always."
- Mahatma Gandhi
#Resist

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
52. A lot of us knew this since Reagan and the betrayal of his oath.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:08 PM
Feb 2017

He was a huge slimeball that helped lead us to Bush/Cheney and now Trump. Some older than I go back to Nixon. Me personally, I think all GOPers are scum of the earth types that worship only one thing.

DFW

(54,335 posts)
54. The classic phrase, "against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:33 PM
Feb 2017

Look no further to put names on those categories: Putin and Trump.

Очень просто/Very simple

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