The "NO's" have it...MPs debate refusing Donald Trump a state visit to Britain

[Miles Archer]

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http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/watch-live-uk-parliament-debates-whether-to-invite-president-trump-for-official-visit/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. And it sounded like a very resounding NO!

That doesn't mean he can't visit the UK at all; but it means he will not be given the honor of an official state visit. Good going, Parliament. That was an amazing debate.

[Wounded Bear]

2. I think I heard somewhere that the vote is not binding...

but it is nice to see.

[HipChick]

4. If he visits, it will be downgraded, not a State Visit, and he won't get to meet the Queen..

[Wounded Bear]

8. Not sure that Parliament has that authority...

but I don't know the British government that well. Either way, I like the thumb to the eye.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. I imagine the Queen has the final say,

but she rarely (if ever) does anything that directly opposes Parliament.

[Wounded Bear]

22. I've read Prime Minister and Queen...

I guess the no vote would prevent an appearance before Parliament, though.

[SCantiGOP]

93. I want him to go !!

Maybe we can rush through a ban on Russian agents coming back into the US.

[Miles Archer]

23. They mentioned in the video that State Visit requests originate from a Committee not from Parliament

So I don't know how much of a "gesture" this was, but the members of Parliament were smacked with petitions, they took it to a vote, and the vote will go on record. What the Committee does with it is yet to be seen.

[Liberalagogo]

42. And the Queen

breathes a YYUUUGE sigh of relief.

[CottonBear]

49. No kidding.

She has to meet with whoever the government invites for an official state visit.

Both The Queen and the royal family are probably incredibly relieved.

[dflprincess]

115. One MP mentioned that Prince Charles probably couldn't be involved in a state visit with Trump

just in case climate change came up.

[mopinko]

53. i dunno. perhaps she was going to have her sword at the ready in case

he tried to shake her hand.

i would think the old girl was looking forward to it. i know i would be.

[Ilsa]

89. Shake her hand? No, he'd move in for a hug, and

Probably try to cop a feel, just because he'd want to brag about it to Billy Bush.

[mopinko]

90. arm around the shoulder, hand on the boob.

he'd be dead then, tho. pretty sure she wouldnt be the only one allowed to run him through w a sword.

[MADem]

51. Hell, they ought to let him meet Prince Phillip....

I can hear him now.....

"You Caaaaahn't Be President....you're MUCH TOO FET!!!!"


When Phillip delivers a gaffe, he does it using the Queen's English, at least.....


Samples: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-philip/9883276/Duke-of-Edinburghs-best-gaffes.html

1967
When asked if he would like to visit the Soviet Union: "I would like to go to Russia very much, although the bastards murdered half my family."
1969
The Duke said to Tom Jones after his Royal Variety Performance: "What do you gargle with, pebbles?".
He later added: "It is very difficult at all to see how it is possible to become immensely valuable by singing what I think are the most hideous songs."
On the Royal Family's finances: "We go into the red next year. I shall probably have to give up polo."
1976
On a tour of Canada: "We don't come here for our health. We can think of other ways of enjoying ourselves."
1981
During the recession he mused: “Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed."
1984
When accepting a figurine from a woman during a visit to Kenya he asked: "You are a woman aren't you?"
.....

1993
To a British tourist in Hungary in he quipped: "You can't have been here that long — you haven't got a pot belly."
To survivors of the Lockerbie bombing he told them: "People usually say that after a fire it is water damage that is the worst. We are still drying out Windsor Castle."
1994
"Aren't most of you descended from pirates?", he asked an islander in the Cayman Islands.
To a Caribbean rabbit breeder in Anguilla, he said: "Don't feed your rabbits pawpaw fruit — it acts as a contraceptive. Then again, it might not work on rabbits."

.....


1999
In Cardiff he told children from the British Deaf Association, who were standing by a Caribbean steel band: "If you're near that music it's no wonder you're deaf".
2000
To guests at the opening reception of a new £18million British Embassy in Berlin: "It's a vast waste of space."
At a Buckingham Palace drinks party, he told group of female Labour MPs: "Ah, so this is feminist corner then."
On being offered fine Italian wines by Giuliano Amato, the former Prime Minister, at a dinner in Rome, he is said to have uttered: "Get me a beer. I don't care what kind it is, just get me a beer!"
"People think there's a rigid class system here, but dukes have been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."

[BlueMTexpat]

60. This!

[Fritz Walter]

69. Just imagine...

...Prince Phillip's reaction if the peeResident tried to grab Her Majesty or other Royal in the manner he bragged about!

Even the Secret Service couldn't stop him. And he's got, what? 15? 20 years on the ShitGibbon?

[not fooled]

91. In Prince Phillip

dump would have met his match, and then some.

[Luciferous]

98. ...

[cwydro]

125. Lockerbie "bombing"?

Huh?

[MADem]

128. You must be young...?

Horrible event. Still resonates in that neck o'the woods.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route, was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew, in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.[3] Large sections of the aircraft crashed onto residential areas of Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 11 more people on the ground.

[cwydro]

133. I understand the aircraft was destroyed by a bomb.

But that is phrased poorly. Implies that the town was bombed.

No, I'm not young lol. Remember it well.

[MADem]

134. Do the google on the phrase "Lockerbie bombing."

You'll get thousands of hits on that aircraft explosion over Lockerbie.

Notwithstanding the orange nitwit, that is how the tragedy was referenced.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Lockerbie+bombing&oq=lockerbie+bombing

[nikibatts]

63. The Queen doesn't want to shake hands with a P_ _ _ y grabber.

Good!

[Jarqui]

3. They exposed Trump for what he is and gave him a resounding thumbs down

Good for them.

He will not address parliament (but that was not really on the table)

I'm not sure whether they can withdraw the "state visit" label because of this vote

Might be fitting because the protesters will be out in force when he shows up. He can't blame that on fake news - it will be real news.

[underpants]

5. Wow.

I see that it's just Parliament saying that he shouldn't be invited (the PM/Queen still can) but this is unprecedented. Or unpresidented as Snowflake would say.

[exboyfil]

32. If the PM goes along with the visit

could we get a motion of no confidence?

[Laffy Kat]

6. YAY! Let's all move there! nt

[ailsagirl]

7. They have definitely voted NO?

[Miles Archer]

13. Just watched about two hours of live video at the link in my OP...

...and at the end they took a vote. The "NO's" were deafening in comparison to the "Aye's," so they definitely voted no. Last words before the end of the video were "The aye's have it."

The vote was to "downgrade" it from an "Official State Visit" to "a visit."

[Vinnie From Indy]

33. I had it on as well.

The eloquent speeches and use of language was refreshing.

The man from Cambridge was excellent and the man from Scotland told a great story about Eisenhower.

[ultronvision]

124. the man's name?

does anyone know the man from Scotland? I caught that also, want to see what else he's involved with.

[Rhiannon12866]

126. Could it be this one?

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Alex Salmond, Scottish National Party

It is difficult to know whether to be appalled at the morality of the invitation or just astonished by its stupidity ... To put ourselves in a weak negotiating position and then advertise it so blatantly to President Trump, as the Prime Minister managed to do, is a recipe for total and utter disaster.

Here's an article on the debate, names several players. And welcome to DU!

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/21/516404941/at-u-k-parliament-zingers-fly-in-debate-over-trump-state-visit

[ailsagirl]

130. Love those Scots!

Extremely articulate-- what a welcome change from what we're used to.

Thanks for the link

[Rhiannon12866]

131. And they particularly detest Donald Trump

And are not afraid to let everyone know how they feel - in such colorful descriptive language!

[ailsagirl]

132. Love those people!

No one has ever conquered the Scots.

[MADem]

129. If/when he visits, Parliament will NOT be in session--thus, he'll be the first leader to NOT address

them.

Talk about UNWANTED!

[TubbersUK]

9. Is this confirmed ? n/t ???????

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. I heard the vote with my own ears on the livestream of the debate.

[TubbersUK]

19. Thanks n/t

[riversedge]

79. I believe it was sort of commitee vote -not the entire Parliament. confusing for sure

[Native]

92. You're right.

[Denzil_DC]

94. The debate was in the House of Commons.

Parliament consists of the House of Commons and the House of Lords.

It wasn't a committee vote.

You're possibly confused because foreign dignitaries' visits aren't arranged by Parliament itself, but by the Government Hospitality Committee (basically an invite from the Prime Minister for non-State Visits) or State Visits Committee (for the full deal).

There was no vote in the House of Commons on whether Trump should visit in any form.

There was a vote by acclamation (i.e. votes weren't counted, just a voice vote) to confirm that Parliament had debated motions brought as a result of two public petitions that reached a certain threshold of signatories. That's all.

[Miles Archer]

18. It was if you watched the video.

They took a vote. The video ended with "the aye's have it."

I'm sure that as soon as a news item appears it will get posted in LBN, but for now, it is confirmed by a live video feed from Parliament.

[TubbersUK]

26. Thanks n/t

[MADem]

135. It's not their decision.

They can decide they don't want to hear from him, so he'll be the first POTUS to make a state visit and NOT address Parliament, which won't be in session.

I think the Queen should "get sick," and have Phillip and Camilla meet him instead. Phillip can insult him roundly, and Camilla can talk horses and drag him round the stables. I'd pay money to see that.

[C_U_L8R]

10. Trump got dumped.

That was a really good debate. And Trump deservedly lost.

But the rightwing peanut gallery commenting on Youtube
really showed the world what deplorable idiots they are.
Need a shower after that.

[BRMCOne]

81. With some heavy-duty

Anti-bacterial soap. Like industrial strength. What the hell is wrong with those people?! Yahoo is just as bad, if not worse.

[Kimchijeon]

11. Yay, happy Monday everyone! :D

[NCTraveler]

20. Love the cuteness. Spread the love.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. It is cute, isn't it?

[NCTraveler]

37. I'm normally on my phone when posting.

I have sig lines turned off. Today I'm at a computer and love so many of the sig lines. This one really stuck out to me. It's just so cute. I like yours as well.

[Fritz Walter]

73. Happy peeResident's Day!

Oh, the irony!

[ismnotwasm]

15. That's simply awesome

[workinclasszero]

16. Good now BLOTUS 45 and his alt-reich entourage will not stain

the halls of Parliament or Buckingham palace.

[meadowlark5]

17. They'd better be careful

Mango Mussolini threatened to use nukes, even in Europe. With them voting no, that will anger the great orange one.

[dalton99a]

24. Man. How humiliating is that?

[still_one]

25. BBC hasn't reported this yet

[etherealtruth]

29. still nothing on the BBC

[still_one]

31. At least BBC.com doesn't have it there

[etherealtruth]

35. That's my go to as well ... I have been "nonchalantly" checking my phone during a meeting

[Maru Kitteh]

27. WOOT WOOT! This resistance is WORLD WIDE!

[moondust]

30. Ouchy.

Boom!

[progressoid]

34. Hey, remember when the UK was our friend and Russia was our enemy?

Good times.

[Still In Wisconsin]

36. Oooo that's gonna leave a mark...

Cheeto Benito won't like this one little bit. Maybe he will threaten to invade Britain as he did Mexico.

[barbtries]

38. ha

it's going to make him want to bomb the UK but what the hell. i wish our congress was that true to the country and its core values.

okay so i skimmed the comments and checked the google and apparently this was a voice vote within the body and not necessarily binding?

sorry at work cannot do the research right now. i'm just derelict, forever clicking over to DU to see what disaster has occurred in the last few minutes or hours. anyone else like this? can't really stop even at work?!

[randome]

39. This isn't dis-inviting him from the U.K. but from addressing Parliament, right?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Jarqui]

43. no & no

The petition does not ask to dis-invite him. He can still visit.

He was never invited to address Parliament.

It asks that he not get the red carpet treatment of a formal state visit with the Queen.

[murielm99]

68. So he just gets to go there and wander around?

Will they provide him security? What government officials will meet with him? Will he have to spend most of his time in our embassy? How will he visit anywhere without huge demonstrations blocking the streets?

[Denzil_DC]

74. I don't know precisely what they may have planned for him.

There was a rumor he would visit Scotland (partly because, if he did so, it would put Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon in an awkward position, which would suit Theresa May), but last I heard, that's not going to happen.

The only firm plan I heard a couple of weeks ago was that there'd be some sort of indoor rally at the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham (one of the most multicultural cities in the UK). I haven't heard anything else since.

He'll likely be seen molesting May on the doorstep of 10 Downing Street, but I've no idea what else may happen (and I suspect nobody else does either at this stage).

[spanone]

40. bwahahahahahaaa love the brits

[pansypoo53219]

41. PROTAZOAN! ignorant! collasal EGO! the smart BURNS.

[Maraya1969]

120. "The power of the presidency is enormous but the intellect of the presidency is protozoan"

[Liberalagogo]

44. Tonight at 3am Eastern:

[LAS14]

83. Is this real? "Tonight?" ???

If this is a concocted Tweet, the fact that it can be done is scary.
If it's not, what does "tonight" mean?

[former9thward]

85. Its fake, like so much on the internet.

[Denzil_DC]

88. Tweets like that are very easy to fake.

Note that it's just an image - you can't click on any of it to get through to Twitter.

There are sites that'll create in image of a fake tweet for you more or less instantly, like http://www.lemmetweetthatforyou.com/

[Liberalagogo]

107. Or you can go to

http://faketrumptweet.com/

[LAS14]

111. Wo!

[LAS14]

112. Wo! It really takes WORK to sort out truth from falsehood.

It's even harder in this Trump era when virtually any joke could have actually been Tweeted by Trump!!!!! Not as a joke.

[Denzil_DC]

113. I believe that's known as Poe's Law:

Poe's law is an Internet adage that states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

And yes, it's getting harder and harder nowadays.

[LAS14]

121. It's non-binding.

I expect others have posted this but they didn't leap out at me. I heard those words on CNN.

[brooklynite]

45. The UK Parliament DID NOT VOTE against a Donald Trump visit...

Sir Alan Duncan, the deputy foreign secretary, has reaffirmed the government’s intention to host President Trump on a state visit at the end of a three-hour debate

The debate ended without MPs voting on whether the visit should go ahead and the debate will have no impact on the government’s plans.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/20/paul-nuttall-ukip-chairmen-quit-in-protest-over-paul-nuttalls-hillsborough-falsehoold-politics-live

[etherealtruth]

48. Thank you!!! It is so hard to track info down while working, I appreciate you posting this

[Denzil_DC]

62. That's correct (see my post below explaining what did happen).

But MPs did make some statements that won't be music to Trump's ears (and may embarrass May a little).

Bring Trump on, if they go for it. I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome.

[Generic Other]

46. The Queen didn't want to have to fake illness

like the Bushes had to do to avoid interacting with him socially!

[Honeycombe8]

50. OMG. How embarrassing...for HIM!

I don't blame them. Why would they want someone to go there and spend two hours talking about how smart and wonderful he is and how many historical votes he got, and how Sweden is in trouble with all the terrorism from refugees?

[sunonmars]

52. there's someone with a placard at a UK protest that says "Hair Hitler"

[W Mousie]

122. It should have read, "Hair Furor." Than you. n/t

[appleannie1943]

54. Spoke to a friend in the UK. She said verbal votes don't count

She also said that there is hardly anyone in England that want Trumpery in their country and almost the entire nation would protest if he ever did visit.

[Miles Archer]

57. Many references were made today to the "Greek Chorus" of protesters outside.

This weighed heavily on the proceedings. They knew they could address the issue from a "diplomacy" standpoint, but that would have no bearing whatsoever on the protests that would fill the streets if they went with a "yea" vote.

[Denzil_DC]

65. Your friend is correct on the first point.

I think she's broadly correct on the second. They managed to scrabble together quite a few signatures on the petition supporting his visit. He'll almost certainly face major and likely rather lively demos if he visits, but most people will just shrug their shoulders and get on with their lives.

[Enoki33]

55. Trump is known as never letting go of a grudge . Because the Brits will

not go the flattery route he is sure to harbor one. Sooner or later he is going to do or say something he perceives as payback and will end up looking stupid. Or worse.

[DonCoquixote]

56. England, i am still mad at you over Brexit, but

This is a wonderful first step in getting back to your old self And better.

[louis-t]

58. Haaaa!!!!

[The Sand Reckoner]

59. How nice would it be if British Customs

refused to permit him and his entourage entry unless they turned over their cell phones for inspection and revealed all of their passwords?

[Denzil_DC]

61. NO. Parliament didn't do that. You might want to add a qualifier to the OP.

The situation's confusing and the procedures are arcane, so here's a summary of what did happen from the Guardian (my bold):

At the end of this debate Andrew Turner, the chair, put the motion that this House has considered the two Trump petitions to a vote by acclamation. Some MPs shouted aye, but many more shouted no - effectively registering a symbolic protest about Trump’s visit. But there was not a proper division, and their voting down the motion by acclamation does not carry any weight.

(a) Parliament wasn't formally voting (i.e. by retiring to the voting lobbies), but voicing its opinion by MPs shouting "Aye" or "Nay" as they saw fit.

(b) They weren't voting on whether Trump should have an official state visit, they were voting on the technical motion that the House of commons had considered the two (pro and anti) petitions. Parliament is required to hold a debate if petitions reach a threshold of signatories.

The debate ended without MPs voting on whether the visit should go ahead and the debate will have no impact on the government’s plans. But, alongside the parallel Stop Trump protests taking place in Parliament Square and in other British cities this evening, it illustrated just how much opposition Trump will face when he arrives on British soil. Duncan ended his speech saying he hoped Trump would get a “polite and generous” welcome. (See 7.20pm.) Tonight that sounded optimistic, to put it mildly.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/20/paul-nuttall-ukip-chairmen-quit-in-protest-over-paul-nuttalls-hillsborough-falsehoold-politics-live?page=with:block-58ab44ebe4b05f755cc0aac5#block-58ab44ebe4b05f755cc0aac5

[SleeplessinSoCal]

64. thank you. misinformation isn't helpful. n/t

[Denzil_DC]

70. You're welcome. I don't think it was deliberate misinformation,

just that our parliamentary procedures are ancient and practically designed to be as confusing as possible!

[orangecrush]

75. Some con on DI

Is using this as an example of "fake news" being posted on DU.

Definitely not helpful.

[Denzil_DC]

78. All we can do is try to keep on our guard

and correct the record where necessary.

It's too much to hope that folks would read down an entire thread before leaving a comment, obviously!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

82. but... even the link revealed no vote yet.

At least that's what it appeared to say.

[Denzil_DC]

84. Yeah, there's no headline at the link to bear out the post title at all.

There won't be a further vote in the Houses of Parliament - this is all that'll happen on that score.

I suspect the OP was watching proceedings and got a little overexcited, and confused.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

110. The power of positive thinking apparently only works for Twump. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

101. Thank you. It was clearly just a committee and not all of Parliament,

or even Commons, but I (and apparently most of the rest of us, too) wasn't sure what the vote actually meant - especially considering how intense many of the speakers' statements were. I hope that even though the vote doesn't mean the visit won't happen, plenty of people in and out of Parliament paid attention.

[Denzil_DC]

102. No, it WASN'T a committee.

Sorry for the caps, but I've had to correct that over and over in the last few hours.

It was a debate in the House of Commons.

The UK has a procedure whereby people can sign an online petition, and if it gets over a certain number of signatures, it will be debated in the Commons. That's what happened. There were actually two petitions, one for and one against a state visit (guess which got more signatures). Both were debated today.

It's gotten more publicity for the prospective visit (not that it was needed), and a number of MPs got to vent and stand their ground, or own up to defending Trump. That's not a bad thing, but it won't affect any visit, as May is hell bent on sucking up to Trump because she doesn't have many options for trading partners beyond the EU once Brexit kicks in.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

103. OK, but it looked like not all of Commons was there, so can they have debates

with less than a quorum? How does that work?

I suppose he'll eventually make a visit, but it should be interesting - and maybe embarrassing for everyine concerned.

[Denzil_DC]

104. The Commons is often relatively deserted

other than for really major debates on legislation or Prime Minister's Questions. In fact, if all the MPs turned up the debating chamber in the Commons, there wouldn't be room for all of them.

Folks make quite a bit of mischief by posting TV stills showing empty benches (and there's no doubt that some MPs could take their jobs more seriously), but MP's have duties and responsibilities outside the debating chamber, just like any other politicians.

Since there was nothing really at stake today other than an opportunity to make some strongly held feelings known, it's not much of a surprise if there was a relatively poor turnout.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

105. OK, thanks.

It's probably a bit like members of Congress in the U.S. speechifying late at night with nobody there so their comments make it into the Congressional Record. What confused me was that they voted, but that was evidently a symbolic rather than a legal act.

[Denzil_DC]

106. It was procedural.

The rules say if a petition gets over a certain number of votes, it will be debated in Parliament. They held a vote at the end to tick the box saying they'd done so.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

108. Got it. The vote has to happen but the outcome isn't binding.

Still, it was really interesting.

[Denzil_DC]

109. Yeah, I think it was worth having!

A vote on Trump visiting wasn't held, whether it would have been binding or not (it wouldn't). The vote just said "Yeah, we debated these two petitions, we're done now." (Hence the cries of "No!" from MPs who still wanted to protest the proposed visit.)


One confusing thing is that it was a full House of Commons debate, but it wasn't held in the usual grand chamber, which is why some folks assumed it was just a committee meeting:

It is technically a House of Commons debate, but it is not taking part in the main Commons chamber. Instead it is being held in Westminster Hall, a mini chamber, or annex, off the historic Westminster Hall (same name, but different room) that gets used for low-level debates that do not involve legislation or votes.

Today’s debate is taking place because the Commons has a rule that says petitions that attract more than 100,000 signatures should normally be considered for debate.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/20/paul-nuttall-ukip-chairmen-quit-in-protest-over-paul-nuttalls-hillsborough-falsehoold-politics-live?page=with:block-58ab004ce4b0beeffbc5bd09#block-58ab004ce4b0beeffbc5bd09

[stonecutter357]

66. K&R!

[arthritisR_US]

67. Unfortunately, it's primarily theatre as it has no clout to ban

A state visit from the tangerine shitgibbon. It. May be able to keep himfrom addressing the parliament but there still will be a monkey show.

[Mr. Ected]

71. Think of all the money this saves the American taxpayer

The language lessons that Trump would have had to take for this trip would have been an onerous burden to all of us.

[sunonmars]

72. Whoops, gotta love live UK tv....

Link to tweet

/photo/1

[C Moon]

76. Damn. Has this ever happened before? What a crazy ass our President is.

Let me reword that: what a crazy ass the sitting president is.

[orangecrush]

77. Please correct

Your op title.

There was no vote as of this posting.

[riversedge]

80. there was a vote--but it was some committe voting. Confusing for all

[former9thward]

87. There was no vote on a state visit which is what the OP said.

By a committee or otherwise. More fake news.

[still_one]

95. and that is why the bbc.com or any other major news outlet is NOT reporting it

[Miles Archer]

97. Yes, there was a vote.

No, I'm not a scholar when it comes to the workings of Parliament.

I watched a call for "aye's" and "no's" at the end of the debate, and people can call that a "vote" if they'd like, or call it something else if it makes them happy.

No, I did not "deliberately post misinformation." No, I did not post "fake news." No, I did not become "over excited and confused." And the people who accused me of that in this thread are now on my ignore list, so I guess there's nothing left except to say I hope they "have a nice day."

You know, I have no problem changing a thread title...as I did...when someone respectfully asks me to do it (as in the comment you replied to).

[Denzil_DC]

99. The vote was a voice vote that just confirmed the debate had taken place.

So, yes, you were confused, I'm afraid. And that's me being polite, FWIW.

If that puts me on your ignore list along with any others who've pointed out the error over the last few hours, that's hunky-dory but seems like an over-reaction. But it won't change facts, and at least others will see what we're posting.

The best thing to do would be to self-delete this OP (not just the OP text) before it gathers any more recommendations from folks who haven't read though the various rebuttals.

[WomanWhoRoars]

86. Get Out

We don't want him here either - GET OUT!

[Rex]

96. .

[Capn Sunshine]

100. The British have always been on guard against fascism.

They made a stand against a major fascist.

I'm with them.

I always said "It's a national tragedy that we spent so many lives and so much money to fight fascism in Europe and Asia, and neglected to wipe it out here at home "

[dflprincess]

114. CSPAN is airing the debate now

in a committee of the House of Commons now.

[Denzil_DC]

116. It's a House of Commons debate, not a committee.

It's just being held in a smaller chamber called Westminster Hall (not the big ceremonial hall of the same name), rather than the usual Commons debating chamber, because it's not going to lead to a vote on whether Trump can visit or not, and it's not considering any legislation.

[dflprincess]

117. Thank you

the bottom of the screen did refer to "committee" at one point (it must have meant the room) and the camera angles seemed to show what I thought seemed to be a smaller group than the full house membership. I just jumped to a conclusion.

[Denzil_DC]

118. No worries.

I didn't mean to jump on you, it's just that so many folks have gotten the wrong end of the stick about what's going on today, complete with excitable headlines, that it's been a bit tiring trying to explain what's actually happening.

I think the debate will be quite entertaining at times anyway!

[dflprincess]

119. Rest assured I didn't feel jumped on

you were correcting me and did so gently. I appreciate both the way you did it and the correction itself.

The House of Commons is always fun to watch - but the most fun is the sessions when the question the Prime Minister.

[Tikki]

123. Wherever trumpo goes...people should turn their back to him.

all at once and together....


Tikki

[Gothmog]

127. The UK does not like trump either