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Botany

(70,447 posts)
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:14 PM Feb 2017

Political scientist Norm Ornstein said, When the history of this dark period is written, Jason ..

.... Chaffetz will go down as one of the real villains.”


Ignoring Trump, Chaffetz seeks charges related to Clinton emails

On Nov. 9, literally the day after the election, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) said his pre-election plans had not changed: he remained focused on Hillary Clinton and her email server management. In December, he said it again. In January, he said it again.

Yesterday, as the Associated Press reported, the Republican congressman took the next ridiculous step.

snip

So let me get this straight. There’s evidence that Russia launched an illegal espionage operation to help put Donald Trump in the Oval Office. There’s evidence that Team Trump was in communications with officials in Vladimir Putin’s government at the time. There’s evidence that leading members of Team Trump lied about these contacts. There’s evidence that the communications continued during the presidential transition process, which Trump administration officials lied about, and which led to the White House National Security Advisor resigning.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ignoring-trump-chaffetz-seeks-charges-related-clinton-emails

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Political scientist Norm Ornstein said, When the history of this dark period is written, Jason .. (Original Post) Botany Feb 2017 OP
Chaffetz conducted a coup with Comey poli3 Feb 2017 #1
+1 dalton99a Feb 2017 #3
Reagan's actions were worse? LOLZ KittyWampus Feb 2017 #5
reagan/bush committed treason poli3 Feb 2017 #6
I'd think 45*'s actions are equally as bad.... Putin is no friend of the USA either groundloop Feb 2017 #29
The difference between Iran and Russia, though NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #54
...and that's not even considering Iran-contra.......! lastlib Feb 2017 #45
Origins of the term October Surprise; Election AND 52 American lives hung in the balance Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #30
Shit - I remember that, too. calimary Feb 2017 #40
That was my first significant political memory stopwastingmymoney Feb 2017 #44
i think he was delivering the beatdown on comey all along. mopinko Feb 2017 #7
This coup started at least 2 years ago if not longer and involves an enormous conspiracy Ford_Prefect Feb 2017 #14
Haven't the Russkies not fooled Feb 2017 #18
this all goes back to the nyc russian mob, imho. mopinko Feb 2017 #36
Yes. When ppl around you have always been sycophants Alice11111 Feb 2017 #52
The term "Siberian Candidate" The Wizard Feb 2017 #46
This is what happens when one side continuously ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #41
And Ornstein and his co-author are conservative Republicans! tblue37 Feb 2017 #2
I wouldn't consider Ornstein a conservative Republican. No Vested Interest Feb 2017 #13
Believe it or not Norm is a friend to my dad ..... they shared an office @ one time. Botany Feb 2017 #34
I remember him my days in management training. Always a critical thinker. nikibatts Feb 2017 #47
An email I just got from Norm Botany Feb 2017 #50
No, they're not both conservative Rs. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #51
These republican politicians PatSeg Feb 2017 #4
they have gotten away w it for so long, they think they will get away mopinko Feb 2017 #9
Exactly PatSeg Feb 2017 #31
Yes. These aren't normal conservatives, tho. They're scum Hortensis Feb 2017 #60
I agree PatSeg Feb 2017 #61
Their entire party not fooled Feb 2017 #19
All the years of deregulation PatSeg Feb 2017 #33
Well said Alice11111 Feb 2017 #53
chaffetz is a scumbag rat JI7 Feb 2017 #8
How long before Congress, as an institution, begins to lose legitimacy...? First Speaker Feb 2017 #10
That is why we must elect Democrats. murielm99 Feb 2017 #15
I think we are already there w the gerrymandering Alice11111 Feb 2017 #55
It begs the question of how much does Chaffetz know and when did he become part of the coup? Ford_Prefect Feb 2017 #11
Oct. 26, 2016: "Jason Chaffetz just set some sort of modern record for flip-floppery" chimpymustgo Feb 2017 #59
Chaffetz, the one with his own private server-such a dirt bag! VaBchTgerLily Feb 2017 #12
I would change that to one of 'many' villains. progressoid Feb 2017 #16
Sooner or later it's going to occur to people that he in up to his eyeballs in this Russia thing Augiedog Feb 2017 #17
Jason Chaffetz and NuSkin -Provo based international pyramid scheme? delisen Feb 2017 #20
Broken link. Just type or copy-paste links in without any angle brackets. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #43
Eat a bowl of fuck, chaffetz. Paladin Feb 2017 #21
+100 nt iluvtennis Feb 2017 #22
Pitchforks torches The Wizard Feb 2017 #48
Well, he has continued. Now is the time Alice11111 Feb 2017 #56
He screwed Utah. kentuck Feb 2017 #23
To reiterate Percy Cholmondeley Feb 2017 #24
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Feb 2017 #25
The broken link is the ethics oversight. liberal N proud Feb 2017 #26
Doesn't he have to run in 2018? TNNurse Feb 2017 #27
Funny, I used to think Chaffetz might be a Canadian Spy Synecdoche Trope Feb 2017 #28
K&R! gademocrat7 Feb 2017 #32
Don't forget to include Devin Nunes with Chaffetz. bronxiteforever Feb 2017 #35
Who will hold Chaffetz accountable mdbl Feb 2017 #37
How can we get this to sink it to the voters in his district he is not a patriot but an enabler kimbutgar Feb 2017 #38
Makes you wonder how deep the Russian influence into the Republican Party really goes? TeamPooka Feb 2017 #39
I suspect it goes all the way through Bettie Feb 2017 #49
Thank you Norman. He is sleaze on steroids. nikibatts Feb 2017 #42
His obsessive and aggressive attempt to block any investigations of Alice11111 Feb 2017 #57
He's polling somewhere between The Wizard Feb 2017 #58

poli3

(174 posts)
1. Chaffetz conducted a coup with Comey
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:48 PM
Feb 2017

along with a number of high-ranking republican fbi and house congressional oversight committee members.

This coup was not as big as the reagan/bush coup against carter with iran-contra and the iranian hostage crisis, to be fair. Raygun's actions there were even worse. To think, rethugs have the gall to criticize radical islam and iran, back when they were the prime enablers of the islamic republic in the beginning.

poli3

(174 posts)
6. reagan/bush committed treason
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:59 PM
Feb 2017

openly working with a foreign hostile government, their connections to iran were far deeper..

groundloop

(11,514 posts)
29. I'd think 45*'s actions are equally as bad.... Putin is no friend of the USA either
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:19 PM
Feb 2017

Yes, I full well remember that Raygun colluded with the Iranians to hold our hostages until he was in office, at which time they were released and Iran was handsomely rewarded. I'm of the opinion the 45*'s collusion with Putin is just as bad... there's evidence that he has ties to Russian organized crime, for instance. Time will tell.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
54. The difference between Iran and Russia, though
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:13 PM
Feb 2017

is huge - Iran is not a threat to attack to US in any way except through sponsoring terrorism. Militarily, they're barely a threat beyond their own borders. Russia is a global power and can wipe out the US and the world with all the nuke carrying ICBMs they have.

lastlib

(23,162 posts)
45. ...and that's not even considering Iran-contra.......!
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 08:17 AM
Feb 2017

Selling weapons to a regime seeking to destroy us.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,964 posts)
30. Origins of the term October Surprise; Election AND 52 American lives hung in the balance
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:21 PM
Feb 2017
Alleged chronology (Wikipedia)
March 1980: Jamshid Hashimi, international arms dealer, is visited by William Casey (Reagan/Bush Campaign manager) at Washington's Mayflower Hotel, who asks that a meeting be arranged with "someone in Iran who had authority to deal on the hostages".[7]
March 21, 1980: Jamshid Hashimi and his brother Cyrus Hashimi meet at the latter's home.[8]
April 1980: Donald Gregg, a U.S. National Security Council aide with connections to George Bush, meets Cyrus Hashimi in New York's Shazam restaurant, near Hashimi's bank.[9] Former Iranian President Abolhassan Banisadr said in his 1991 book My Turn to Speak that he had "proof of contacts between Khomeini and the supporters of Ronald Reagan as early as the spring of 1980.... Rafsanjani, Beheshti, and Ahmed Khomeini [the Ayatollah's son] played key roles."[10]
Last week of July 1980: At a meeting in Madrid arranged by the Hashimi brothers that includes Robert Gray, a man identified as Donald Gregg, and Mahdi Karrubi, William Casey says that if Iran could assure that American hostages were well treated until their release and were released as a "gift" to the new administration, "the Republicans would be most grateful and 'would give Iran its strength back.'"[11] Karrubi says he has "no authority to make such a commitment."
About August 12, 1980: Karrubi meets again with Casey, saying Khomeini has agreed to the proposal. Casey agrees the next day, naming Cyrus Hashimi as middleman to handle the arms transactions. More meetings are set for October. Cyrus Hashimi purchases a Greek ship and commences arms deliveries valued at $150 million from the Israeli port of Eilat to Bandar Abbas. According to CIA sources, Hashimi receives a $7 million commission. Casey is said to use an aide named Tom Carter in the negotiations.[12]
September 22, 1980: Iraq invades Iran.
Late September 1980: An expatriate Iranian arms dealer named Hushang Lavi claims he met with Richard V. Allen, the Reagan campaign's national security expert, Robert "Bud" McFarlane, and Lawrence Silberman, and discussed the possible exchange of F-4 parts for American hostages, but Lavi says they asserted they "were already in touch with the Iranians themselves". (Silberman, Allen, and McFarlane deny they met with Lavi, but reporter Robert Parry obtained a copy of Lavi's 1980 calendar after Lavi's death, which corroborated the Iranian's account.)[13]
October 15–20: Meetings are held in Paris between emissaries of the Reagan/Bush campaign, with Mr. William Casey as "key participant", and "high-level Iranian and Israeli representatives".[14]
October 21: Iran, for reasons not explained, abruptly shifts its position in secret negotiations with the Carter administration and disclaims "further interest in receiving military equipment".[15]

October 21–23: Israel secretly ships F-4 fighter-aircraft tires to Iran, in violation of the U.S. arms embargo, and Iran disperses the hostages to different locations.[16]
January 20, 1981: Hostages are formally released into United States custody after spending 444 days in captivity. The release takes place just minutes after Ronald Reagan is sworn in as president.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/george-h-walker-bush-and-the-1980-october-surprise-mystery/5519156
Taking their cue from the President, House Republicans threatened to block continued funding for the inquiry unless the Democrats agreed that Bush had not gone to Paris. Although Bush’s alibi for the key weekend of Oct. 18-19, 1980, was shaky, with details from his Secret Service logs withheld and with supposedly corroborating witnesses contradicting each other, the Democrats agreed to give Bush what he wanted.



http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/usa3.html
A BAC 111 aircraft, which had been reconfigured to carry a sufficient amount of fuel to travel 3,600 miles, left Andrews Air Force Base in the late afternoon of October 19, 1980. The aircraft's destination: Paris, France. The Passengers aboard the aircraft included the command pilot U.S. Navy Captain Gunther Russbacher, Richard Brenneke and Heinrick Rupp, on the flight deck; and in the cabin was William Casey, soon to be the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency; Donald Greggs, soon to be the ambassador to South Korea; and George Bush, the future Vice President and President of the United States and former director of the Central Intelligence Agency. There were also Secret Service agents aboard the aircraft.

This is the weekend - three weeks before the November 1980 Presidential Election, that Bush has claimed he spent at Andrews Air Force Base.

Testifying to this flight is Russbacher, the pilot. The Navy pilot is currently at Terminal Island, a federal prison, awaiting an appeal on a charge of misuse and misappropriation of government properties, misuse of government jets, and misuse of government purchase orders for purchase of fuel. He was also a member of the Office of Naval Intelligence and worked with the Central Intelligence Agency. Russbacher's alias is Robert A. Walker. Russbacher now becomes the second crew member of that flight to testify to this clandestine episode that may have changed the politics of this nation and which has been labeled the "October Surprise". Brenneke was upheld by a Federal jury when he testified about the flight. After his testimony he was charged by the Federal Government with perjury, but a Federal jury acquitted him upholding his testimony that the flight actually took place. The trial was held in Portland, Oregon last year.

Russbacher, in an exclusive interview, states that Bush stayed at the Hotel Crillion in Paris. Russbacher has stated that more than one flight was involved, but that this was the initial flight at which time an agreement was made between Bush and Casey and the Government of Iran to delay the release of American hostages in Iran until after the November 1980 election. Former President Jimmy Carter and several Congressmen are now asking for an investigation into the "October Surprise".

According to Russbacher statements, Bush stayed only a couple of hours. He attended a meeting at the Hotel Crillion and at the Hotel George V. Russbacher, Brenneke, and Rupp stayed at the Hotel Florida. Bush did not return on the same BAC 111 aircraft or return with some of the people he had flown with to Paris, but instead Russbacher flew him back in the SR71. The aircraft was refueled about 1800 to 1900 nautical miles into the Atlantic by a KCl35.

The returning flight with Bush landed at McGuire Air Force base at approximately 2 a.m. on October 20. Russbacher states that Bush, while in Paris, met with Hashemi Rafsanjani, the second in command to the Ayatollah and now the president of Iran, and Adnan Khashoggi, a Saudi Arabian businessman who was extremely powerful. Arrangements were apparently made to pay Iran $40 million to delay the release of hostages in order to thwart President Jimmy Carter's re-election bid. The $40 million was the beginning of terms that created the Iran-Contra scandal that is now being reopened by Congress.

calimary

(81,125 posts)
40. Shit - I remember that, too.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 11:36 PM
Feb 2017

I watched that inauguration in 1981. When reagan stepped up to the podium to deliver his big speech, he declared that the American hostages in Iran had just been freed, right then. I thought that sounded a little funny. "Oh really? That's just happening RIGHT NOW? Hmmm... And how do you know this, that's happening right now? Was that a note just handed to you?" Man, something just didn't smell right.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,041 posts)
44. That was my first significant political memory
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 06:46 AM
Feb 2017

Even at 10yo my bullshit detector was in good working order

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
7. i think he was delivering the beatdown on comey all along.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:22 PM
Feb 2017

it does appear to me that someone was putting leverage on comey to do the shit he did. someone w inside info on what was out there, and why werent they bringing it to them on a platter.

the russians put the emails on weiner's laptop, let the fbi know to go look for them, then told chafetz to squeeze the fbi to release the info. see? clean hands mom.

set up all the way, we were.

reminder- when what you want to say is wtf? ask yourself if there might be a finger on the scale, and whose finger might it be.
many things make sense when you get the backstory straight.

Ford_Prefect

(7,872 posts)
14. This coup started at least 2 years ago if not longer and involves an enormous conspiracy
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:43 PM
Feb 2017

Between Putin, the Russian Mafia, Trump and his entire senior staff and campaign leadership, McConnell and other GOP congressional leaders along with numerous operators like Gov. Kasich, The Koch organization and more.

It is ever so much larger than Reagan/Bush Iran-Contra et al, which is to say it is the largest by far.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
18. Haven't the Russkies
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:09 PM
Feb 2017

kept an eye on dump for many years-- he expressed interest in entering politics quite a while ago...guess they saw his appeal early on to a certain segment of the American populace (the segment containing the anus--gratuitous reference to segmentation biology )?

Hey, as they saw vacuous frontmen like raygun and chimpy propped up and installed in the White House...why not dump too?

The Russian money laundering through dump properties has been going on a long time. They've had their hooks in him for a while.



mopinko

(70,022 posts)
36. this all goes back to the nyc russian mob, imho.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:49 PM
Feb 2017

i think manafort talked him into running.
i think he is so used to burying the truth, he doesnt think it will ever come out.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
52. Yes. When ppl around you have always been sycophants
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:09 PM
Feb 2017

then you don't understand that people really do see what you are doing. It is easy to see why there is so much hubris.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
41. This is what happens when one side continuously ...
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 11:50 PM
Feb 2017

... decides to look forward and not investigate crimes. The other side gets embolden.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
2. And Ornstein and his co-author are conservative Republicans!
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:51 PM
Feb 2017
It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided with the New Politics of Extremism

by Thomas E. Mann &, Norman J. Ornstein

https://www.amazon.com/Even-Worse-Than-Looks-Constitutional/dp/0465096204/ref=pd_sbs_14_img_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=44AV5FQS9GMV5R5900BB

No Vested Interest

(5,164 posts)
13. I wouldn't consider Ornstein a conservative Republican.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:41 PM
Feb 2017

He is the nominal Democrat in the AEI stable, similar to Juan Williams on Fox, though Ornstein is a better representative for Democratic thought and principles.

When he appears on TV, etc., I have a lot of respect for his conclusions.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
50. An email I just got from Norm
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:20 PM
Feb 2017

All true, xxxx. I did share an office with your dad. It was a pleasure! Norm

When Mr. Ornstein calls out Chaffetz for being a low life and asks for a
special prosecutor into Trump's Russian ties he knows what he is talking
about.

******
I can't help thinking this republican/trump coup is just a bad dream.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
51. No, they're not both conservative Rs.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:07 PM
Feb 2017
Such a duo of über-respectables are Thomas E. Mann, a luminary of the ever so slightly left-of-center Brookings Institution, and Norman J. Ornstein, an ornament of the somewhat more firmly right-of-center American Enterprise Institute, both of whom used to communicate in tones of calm, non-inflammatory reassurance. Such a street corner is the Washington Post, and such a potentate is—well, here’s the headline over Mann and Ornstein’s double-length op-ed, which landed on Georgetown stoops a few Sundays ago: Opinions
Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/hendrik-hertzberg/naked-truths

And, in case anyone missed it, here's a link to that excellent article published in the WaPo: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.

Today, thanks to the GOP, compromise has gone out the window in Washington. In the first two years of the Obama administration, nearly every presidential initiative met with vehement, rancorous and unanimous Republican opposition in the House and the Senate, followed by efforts to delegitimize the results and repeal the policies. The filibuster, once relegated to a handful of major national issues in a given Congress, became a routine weapon of obstruction, applied even to widely supported bills or presidential nominations. And Republicans in the Senate have abused the confirmation process to block any and every nominee to posts such as the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, solely to keep laws that were legitimately enacted from being implemented.

In the third and now fourth years of the Obama presidency, divided government has produced something closer to complete gridlock than we have ever seen in our time in Washington, with partisan divides even leading last year to America’s first credit downgrade.

On financial stabilization and economic recovery, on deficits and debt, on climate change and health-care reform, Republicans have been the force behind the widening ideological gaps and the strategic use of partisanship. In the presidential campaign and in Congress, GOP leaders have embraced fanciful policies on taxes and spending, kowtowing to their party’s most strident voices.

Republicans often dismiss nonpartisan analyses of the nature of problems and the impact of policies when those assessments don’t fit their ideology. In the face of the deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression, the party’s leaders and their outside acolytes insisted on obeisance to a supply-side view of economic growth — thus fulfilling Norquist’s pledge — while ignoring contrary considerations.

PatSeg

(47,281 posts)
4. These republican politicians
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:53 PM
Feb 2017

just don't know where to draw the line between "politics" and criminal activity. They are so used to deceiving and manipulating, that they lose sight of the picture and the eventual historic perspective.

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
9. they have gotten away w it for so long, they think they will get away
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:24 PM
Feb 2017

w it forever.
the world is getting a lot smaller these day, guys. you need to tighten it up, cuz it is comin out of every orifice now.

PatSeg

(47,281 posts)
31. Exactly
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:43 PM
Feb 2017

You can almost read their minds after they've said something totally outrageous - "I can't believe I got away with that". Each time it gets easier and often more ridiculous.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. Yes. These aren't normal conservatives, tho. They're scum
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:37 AM
Feb 2017

who are drawn to and thrive in a completely corrupted environment that honorable people avoid like the diseased slough it has become.

PatSeg

(47,281 posts)
61. I agree
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:32 AM
Feb 2017

They have just adopted the tag "conservative", but they hold absolutely no allegiance to conservative values or ideas. They will cast aside any principle whenever it suits them politically or financially. Family values, our vets, freedom, liberty, fiscal responsibility, and of course, the constitution are all just convenient political-speak for them, and can be discarded at any moment if it is expedient.

Essentially the republican party has been hijacked by shameless opportunists and grifters.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
19. Their entire party
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:11 PM
Feb 2017

has devolved into a criminal enterprise to extract and transfer money upwards and otherwise loot the nation.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
10. How long before Congress, as an institution, begins to lose legitimacy...?
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:35 PM
Feb 2017

...this is what really worries me, much more than Trump and his blustering. That Congress will get so gerrymandered and nakedly partisan, people will begin to regard it as a racket and not as the legislative branch of our democracy. On that day, talk of fascism, anarchy, coups, etc...it will get real then. Assholes like Chaffetz are bringing that day ever closer.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
15. That is why we must elect Democrats.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:43 PM
Feb 2017

If all these people can show up in the streets, they can show up at the polls. Even if there is voter suppression, gerrymandering and all the rest of it, if we show up in large enough numbers, things can change.

The judiciary will back us up in many cases, too.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
55. I think we are already there w the gerrymandering
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:23 PM
Feb 2017

Look at those district maps. How could it get any worse w gerrymandering. It is why the Republicans control everything now, except the press.

As for Chaffetz, he runs every 2 years. We need to target him with a really strong opponent, like an honored vet with charisma who will lay out his lies, and lots of money.
He has had weak opponents. Right now, we don't even have a DNC head. Last election, he had a free ride.

It could get worse as to their stronghold on the Senate. We picked up 2. If it had been 3, we would not have DeVoss. It os a world of difference that one person can make.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
59. Oct. 26, 2016: "Jason Chaffetz just set some sort of modern record for flip-floppery"
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:33 AM
Feb 2017

(Washington Post)

By Amber Phillips October 26, 2016

Nineteen days ago, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) was so over Donald Trump.

"I'm out. I can no longer in good conscience endorse this person for president," Chaffetz said the day after The Washington Post revealed Trump's 2005 "Access Hollywood" tape. The breaking point, Chaffetz went onto say, was that he couldn't look his 15-year-old daughter in the eye and talk about what the GOP presidential nominee said: "It is some of the most abhorrent and offensive comments that you can possibly imagine."

That was 19 days ago. Now, he's — well, here's where Chaffetz stands on Trump as of Wednesday night:

Jason Chaffetz ✔ @jasoninthehouse
I will not defend or endorse @realDonaldTrump, but I am voting for him. HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA.
9:05 PM - 26 Oct 2016
5,988 5,988 Retweets 10,293 10,293 likes

Chaffetz may be trying to clarify that just because he's not supporting Trump doesn't mean he's not voting for him. But that's politics-speak for having it both ways. Any reasonable reading of the situation is that Chaffetz has spun a full 180 on Trump in a matter of weeks. Why? Why would a House Republican in a safe seat risk political ridicule (warning: strong language in that link) to awkwardly half-embrace his nominee, less than two weeks before a presidential election where said nominee looks like he'll lose?

-edit-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/26/gop-rep-jason-chaffetz-says-his-conscience-wont-let-him-support-donald-trump-just-vote-for-him/?utm_term=.cb7a3d13b5cd

delisen

(6,042 posts)
20. Jason Chaffetz and NuSkin -Provo based international pyramid scheme?
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:11 PM
Feb 2017

NuSkin is a politically connected direct sales company, that some see as a pyramid scheme, from Utah this has gone international. Prior to entering the political arena Chaffetz was a public relations guy for the company... NuSkin is a major contributor to Chaffetz

Orrin Hatch and Mitt Romney have some connections to it.

NuSkin had some problems with the FTC, SEC, and China regarding use of its charitable organization for bribery. Heavy overseas investment in the company-esecially China.

As it expanded into integration markets it was seeing huge returns up to 30% until 2014.

Sanctions against Russia may have posed a problem., as that was a market it started developing about 10 years earlier.

<http://ethanvanderbuilt.com/2014/11/24/nu-skin-scam-yes-opinion/>

The use if a company charity for possibly illegal business ends is like Trump using his private foundation for self-dealing.







Paladin

(28,243 posts)
21. Eat a bowl of fuck, chaffetz.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:12 PM
Feb 2017

If this little weasel continues his attempted persecution of Hillary---while ignoring trump's playing footsie with Putin and wiping his ass with the 1st Amendment---I say it's time for massive, disruptive street demonstrations from one coast to another....just for starters.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
56. Well, he has continued. Now is the time
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:29 PM
Feb 2017

At least, everyone is finally on to him. He is so blatantly partisan, unfair, corrupt, like in your face...its like he says something, anf you know he's just telling us to fuck off.

24. To reiterate
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:45 PM
Feb 2017

The brazen, arrogant behavior of these republicans makes me think that they're pretty sure they'll never have to face a fair election again, that they can handily steal elections from now on, using fake news, Russian disinformation, FBI lies and innuendo, voting-machine hacking and Kris Kobach-style voter suppression. That's the only explanation that makes sense. And, when the public at long last has had enough, with no alternative but to get violent, well, that's what "stand your ground", and "open carry" are for. People will die when the noise machine is turned on, and the NRA macho men are activated. I heard an ostensible "natural health" blogger other day railing about BLM and MoveOn, calling them terrorist organizations. It's not just president Landslide, it's Chaffetz, McConnell, Ryan, Cornyn, all of them are in on this crime.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
35. Don't forget to include Devin Nunes with Chaffetz.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:23 PM
Feb 2017

He has been despicable like his frat brother Paulie Ryan. These so called congress persons were both part of the "but but emails" crowd. Nunes was attacking Hillary on bogus crap for months. But when Nunes was asked about the possibility of a select committee on Russia, Nunes added: “There is not going to be one; I can tell you there is absolutely not going to be one. And I am not going to be lectured by people who are speaking out of both sides of their mouths."
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/house-intel-chairman-dismisses-call-for-russia-probe-

Here-
OCTOBER 31, 2016 4:59 PM
Did Hillary Clinton leave classified document in Chinese hotel room? Nunes wants to know

Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/political-notebook

Also,here-
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) on Sunday called the FBI's decision to review new emails potentially related to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's private email server a "substantial development".
"I just don't see Director [James] Comey opening this case back up 11 days before the election unless it is quite serious," Nunes, House Intelligence Committee chairman, said on "Fox News Sunday."
"Decades of experience, decades of receiving classified information, would not have known, that she was looking at, analyzing, communicated in classified information over an unsecured network. It's not believable."

kimbutgar

(21,056 posts)
38. How can we get this to sink it to the voters in his district he is not a patriot but an enabler
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:50 PM
Feb 2017

I wish we could find a way to educate the voters in his district that he is not representing their best interests.

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
49. I suspect it goes all the way through
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 11:33 AM
Feb 2017

They don't care, as long as their piece of the pie gets bigger and they get to exercise control over others.

They are actually actively evil. They know what the moral choice is and they consistently and consciously do the opposite.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
42. Thank you Norman. He is sleaze on steroids.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 12:30 AM
Feb 2017

Would love to know his connection to the Russian cabal. I bet there is one. To where has he travelled in the past three years? Wonder if he is compromised also or just plain evil?

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
57. His obsessive and aggressive attempt to block any investigations of
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:42 PM
Feb 2017

Investigations into Russian connections is telling.
He is obviously covering something up. They all are.
That is one reason they were mum on Trump.

The press will eventually get it out, but the culprits, as we have seen, are unlikely to take themselves down.
We have to target and get rid of the ones we can in Congress and the Senate.

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