Maher looks totally ridiculous with CPAC turning down Milo

[poli3]

It makes Maher look like the bitter islamophobe that he is. Let's be real, he invited Milo on, so that they could bash Islam and Muslims together. The Free Speech issue is a cop-out.

[NCTraveler]

1. I think he is kind of looking good. I say that as someone who is no Maher fan.

Give someone a platform like this and it generates more interest in them. The more eyes, the more info. More interest isn't always a good thing.

No, I'm not giving Maher credit for what has happened. I don't think Maher had anything in mind outside of ratings.

[kentuck]

22. Through all the talk and finger-pointing by the right...

Bill Maher is still the only one to practice what he preaches.

[NCTraveler]

26. He has been consistently Maher for a long time.

Not my cup of tea but I have seen him conduct some really intelligent conversations.

[applegrove]

41. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[scscholar]

2. He was way too nice to Milo

I was actually able to watch it since I was in a hotel in SF and at work and at all of my friend's places in Seattle, we don't have Internet connections fast enough to stream video. He should have been screaming at that idiot.

[Daemonaquila]

3. He's just Jerry Springer 2.0.

Do people not get that? He thrives on guests tearing each other up. It's just tidier and "higher brow," so the left wing has cover for watching him.

[shenmue]

27. Ha! True

[jodymarie aimee]

4. there you guys go again

Maher is a genius, and fights for us every day. Did you forget he gave millions to Obama? Stop this 100% purity test crap, that is what the Rs do. We are inclusive...and by that I mean...including opinions. Would you rather he didn't have a show? Perhaps when you have your own HBO show you can have a more perfect guest list !!

[NCTraveler]

7. "Maher is a genius, and fights for us every day."

No he doesn't. There is video after video showing that he doesn't. That doesn't mean I don't agree with him most of the time.

"Stop this 100% purity test crap"

This op isn't even close to some kind of 100% purity test. I can't fathom how you came to that conclusion. It just isn't there.

"We are inclusive...and by that I mean...including opinions."

That is not accurate. I have no need to listen to an anti-Semites opinions or to give him the time of day. Nor do I care about the opinions of a pedophile. Then again, that's why I didn't tune in.

"Perhaps when you have your own HBO show you can have a more perfect guest list !!"

Who asked for perfection?

[rogue emissary]

19. Thank you NC.

I couldn't have said it better. Really getting tired of liberals/progressive trying to bend over backward to accommodate bigots.

[lunasun]

39. +1 some even make it to pretzel forms they try so hard

[LanternWaste]

11. Until then, everyone STFU about my tin gods!!!

"Perhaps when you have your own HBO show you can have a more perfect guest list !!"

"Until then, everyone STFU about my tin gods!!!"

[rgbecker]

5. Well, from my perspective, it was good to have him on Maher.

I never would have bothered to learn a thing about the guy as I am slow to visit the RW websites etc. If a pedophile is loose on the country, I'd like to at least know what he looked like so I could pick em out of a line-up. Not all Pedophiles are wearing Priest's garb.

[JudyM]

8. I agree. And he got slapped down pretty well a few times.

[Lotusflower70]

12. Same here

It helped distinguish the line between something absolutely repulsive and whining and being butthurt. I never paid attention to Milo before this but I now realize what a POS he really is. His statement about priests was messed up on so many levels. Granted, I know about the scandal involving priests and that is a special kind of fucked up. But he almost seemed to defend them. That was disturbing to me.

[putitinD]

16. same here, I would have never known who Milo is. Now I know he is a paid actor for the GOP

Milo is a face of everything the GOP Hates. He is paid to stir up the hatred of the Alt-right, and try to re-associate gay men with pedofiles, which has been debunked by just about every credible source. The GOP is lining up another group (LGBT) to hate on after they get rid of the Muslims. Thank You Bill Maher for shining a light on Milo!

[shenmue]

28. The right already hates LGBT people

[putitinD]

40. no kidding? Milo is there to stir the pot. A paid actor to to help the GOP carry out its agenda.

After they deport/ ban Muslims, the next mission will be to make LGBT and women 2nd class citizens. wait for it.

[ecstatic]

45. Exactly, if that wasn't acting,

then that man (clown?) needs serious professional help ASAP! He's dangerously confused.

[njhoneybadger]

32. Same here

It forced me to educate myself about him and the transgender issue.

[Turn CO Blue]

33. I agree. Showed that the guy who styles himself a "dangerous provocateur" is boring.

Milo is all hat, no cattle. And also just NOT very bright.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Just keep bombarding these fascists and nutters some questions about subjects outside of their normal prepared soundbites, and they inevitably flame-out or fizzle out.

No depth and no width except on maybe one subject. There is no there, there.

[VOX]

49. Agreed. Milo is a poseur, kind of a flamboyant male Ann Coulter attention-seeking freak.

At some point he decided that there was some mileage to be had by posing as a near-feral gay man who says outrageous things. It's really kind of a sad, limited shtick.

I'm convinced that, the more the media shows this guy, the more he seems small and sad. Attempts to squelch him only generate more interest. As it is, he will eventually implode at his 15-minute mark, regardless. Which is fast approaching.

[smirkymonkey]

67. This!

[uponit7771]

56. I now know who this idiot is

[erpowers]

6. At First CPAC Invited Him

CPAC did not turn Milo down. They invited him to be a keynote speaker partly to attempt to piss of liberals. CPAC only disinvited him after it was revealed that he had expressed support for pedophilia. I do not think that makes Bill Maher look bad. The pedophilia videos had not come out before Maher invited him on his show.

[Lotusflower70]

9. It exposed more people to Milo

And that is a good thing. Calling out the bs instead of ignoring it is important. Milo is ridiculous. He has controversial people on all the time but seeing him spew his garbage made people repulsed. I don't see Maher as an Islamaphobe. He separates the peace-loving Muslims from the radicals.

[LiberalLovinLug]

10. How you can pivot to bashing Maher...

Hey, I cringe when he has on Coulter or lately, Piers Morgan. Or any right wing Trump apologist. But that is his show. At least he can say to his conservative haters that he invites all comers as opposed to the one-sided shows like Fox n Friends on the other side.

Do I wish I never have to listen to these insane people? Yes. But at least he gives them a shot to prove they are not insane. Which they always fail at.

I don't always agree with Maher, but I respect him for daring to have on such guests that may rub his fans the wrong way (no pun intended)

[phleshdef]

13. No he doesn't. It has zero effect on Bill or his popularity.

His show will continue to be some of the best political television every week. Those of us that are fans will keep watching and your opinion on this matter will continue to be ultimately irrelevant, just like Milo.

[Atman]

14. I don't get the panties-in-a-wad crowd.

I enjoyed the show. I don't have a problem listening to assholes spout their opinions. This is America, and I'm better informed by listening to all sides. I'm not getting this crap about Bill being so nice to Milo. At least two times he told Milo to "shut the fuck up" or "fuck off." That's not how a host usually treats a friendly guest.

One big mistake is that people keep calling Maher a "liberal." I heard it on the news the next morning, how "liberal" Bill Maher confronted "conservative" Milo. NEITHER OF THEM ARE EITHER OF THEM! Bill is nothing -- he claims to be Libertarian, but Libertarianism is a joke, a 'nothing burger.' There are no real Libertarians. It doesn't really work.

Milo claims he's a conservative, but he's a flaming gay guy who spouts off against the only people who actually supports his civil rights. Both of these two are media whores. I like Bill Maher. I like his sense of humor, even if I don't like all of his views. I enjoyed watching Milo even if only to learn what a fraud he is. He is the epitome of a poser. He's a more female Ann Coulter, just playing a schtick to make a buck while it's still profitable.

Bill Maher's show is a "comedy" show which happens to feature mainstream guests. If Bill was serious, if he didn't do the funny stuff, no one would give a shit. He'd just be another Sunday Morning show.

Stop thinking too much into it. It's a premium cable tv show. It's not for everybody. If you can't handle it, don't watch.

[skylucy]

31. Thank you!I enjoy watching Maher too. I don't agree with him on everything, but his show is always

interesting. I can handle it when he has conservative nut jobs on his panel because they always get called out either by Bill or one of the other guests. I thought it was funny during the Overtime segment because the other "conservative" guest (cannot remember his name.He is a former politician with a southern accent who turns up on CNN a lot) seemed relieved that Milo was taking all the heat. At one point, he told Maher that he didn't want to answer a question. Milo got nailed worse than most conservative guests and anyone who says otherwise didn't watch the show or the Overtime segment.

[tirebiter]

15. CPAC just essentially told Milo to go fuck himself

It's good to know we can agree on at least one thing.

[TrekLuver]

17. Mahar is not an islamaphobe...he hates all religions equally. But he does say we need more moderate

Muslims and I agree with him on that. We could also use some more moderate Christians (wink wink).

In the messy truth show he said he was a liberal but he does think liberals can be very intolerant...especially against other liberals which I also happen to agree with.

[OKNancy]

20. I was going to write the same. He is anti religion... all religions

He is however, pro-Western thought.

[TrekLuver]

21. I guess people say this because he makes comments about Muslims throwing gays off buildings...

honor killings, women oppression etc...but let's face it...that does happen in Islam. BUT most religions have similar things if not in recent history definitely in their past...Christians think they are so much better than Muslims because they don't do that now...but I have to remind them...um yeah but you did and worse all in the name of God.... and you still want to control others with your Christianity to this very day.

[MicaelS]

29. I am pro-Western thought, too.

That is another reason I like him.

[BeyondGeography]

18. Did you watch?

[Gothmog]

23. Yeah--Maher has been an ass for a while

[MicaelS]

24. Ah yes, the "bigot" claim because he dares Criticize Islam.

Despite the fact he bashes religion all the way around.

Islam appears to be the current darling of the Left, and anyone who criticizes the beliefs of Islam or its adherents is deemed a bigot. Much of Islam in incompatible with Western Thought, ideals and the Enlightenment. That many on the Left are it's champion never ceases to amaze me.

They sound just like those on the Right who scream bigotry, and claim Christians are persecuted because people deign to criticize and condemn Christianity and Christians.

[poli3]

25. just find it hypocritical that an 'atheist' criticizes islam while defending a 'jewish' state

He can't ever seem to find any faults with israel, and blames the palestinians for everything. He is less open to peace talks for israel than even Trump and Kushner.

[Cattledog]

34. +1

[BannonsLiver]

35. I don't agree with Maher on Islam, HOWEVER

One of the things that I appreciate about him is he views all religions with disdain. He's very consistent in that regard. My read of this saga is that the people most up in arms don't really seem to know a lot about Bill or the show or formed an opinion well before Milo was a guest.

Anyway Bill is coming to my city in the spring. Got tickets for Christmas and as always I'm looking forward to it. Will be the 3rd time I've seen in him in person.

[Maru Kitteh]

38. "Much of Islam in incompatible with Western Thought"

That is a very bigoted statement.

First of all, what the fuck is "western thought?" I see phrases like this used by nationalists all the time but since lynching some people for not being white while looking at white girls is a very recent part of "western thought" I'd love to hear the bedrock of moral ground this amorphous concept supposedly relies upon.

Secondly, how much of Christianity can we find that is incompatible with this super-duper, very moral "western thought."

[MicaelS]

42. Western Thought is Freedom and Equality.

Freedom of Speech, Thought, Worship, Sexuality.
Secular not Religious government.
Equality of the genders, skin color, race, sexual orientation.
The idea that women are not second class citizens, or worse, property of their nearest male relative.
The idea that sinners should not be stoned to death.
The idea that thieves should not have their hands cut off.
The idea that blasphemy is not punishable by death.

And the bedrock of this something called The Enlightenment. Perhaps you have heard of it? Or is it evil because it is Western?

And yes quite a few so-called Christians and some Jews are bigoted, and believe some of the same things that many Muslims do. The difference being Christians or Jews are not engaging in violent activities in the name of their religions.

I knew it would not take very long for one of the "criticism of Islam equals bigotry" types to come out of the woodwork. You also appear to be one of those 'The West is Evil types". Thanks for confirming my beliefs.

[Maru Kitteh]

50. Bigotry against Muslims is bigotry. Your statement and supporting statements are bigoted.

For some reason, you seem to feel there should be some kind of exception for this form of bigotry, but there isn't. It is what it is, and what it is bigotry.

Christians aren't engaging in violent activity in the name of their religion? What a fucking joke that is.



-July 27, 1996: A bomb set by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is affiliated with the "Christian Identity" fundamentalist movement, kills one person at the Atlanta Olympics.

-October 8, 1996: Three "Phineas Priests" — racist and anti-Semitic Christian Identity terrorists who feel they've been called by God to undertake violent attacks — are charged in connection with two bank robberies and bombings at the two banks, a Spokane newspaper and a Planned Parenthood office.

-January 16, 1997: Christian terrorist Eric Rudolph plants two anti-personnel bombs, the second clearly designed to kill arriving law enforcement and rescue workers, outside an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, Ga. Seven more are injured.

-February 23, 1997: Christian terrorist Eric Rudolph plants a bomb, injuring 5 people at an Atlanta gay bar.

-January 29, 1998: Another bomb set by Rudolph kills a man and terribly maims a nurse at a Birmingham abortion clinic.

-October 23, 1998: With his wife and children nearby, an abortion provider in Amherst, New York is shot and killed by Christian terrorist James Kopp

-July 1, 1999: Brothers Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams, who also have connections to the "Christian Identity" movement, kill a gay couple in their bed in Redding, California.

-July 2-July 5 1999: Christian terrorist Benjamin Nathaniel Smith kills black basketball coach Ricky Byrdsong, a Korean grad student and wounds nine minority victims in a three-day shooting spree.

-August 10, 1999: Christian terrorist Buford Furrow kills a Filipino immigrant after firing 70 shots inside a Jewish community center near Los Angeles.

-September 1, 1999: Anti-abortion Christian extremist Clayton Lee Wagner is arrested in Cincinnati, Ohio after being stopped driving a stolen camper and informing police he was headed to Seattle to murder an abortion provider. He escaped in February 2001 and mailed more than 550 hoax anthrax letters to abortion clinics and posted an Internet threat warning abortion clinic workers that "if you work for the murderous abortionist, I'm going to kill you." He was caught and is currently in prison.

-March 1, 2001: Federal and local law enforcement agents raid the Corbett, Ore., home of Christian extremist Fritz Springmeier, seizing weapons, racist literature and marijuana-growing equipment. They also find a binder notebook entitled “Army of God, Yahweh’s Warriors” containing what officials call a list of targets that include a local federal building and the FBI’s Oregon offices. Springmeier is charged with setting off a diversionary bomb at an adult video store in Damascus, Ore., in 1997 as part of a bank robbery carried out by accomplice Forrest Bateman.

-April 19, 2001: Christian white supremacists Leo Felton and girlfriend Erica Chase are arrested following an attempt to pass counterfeit bills. Investigators learn Felton heads up a tiny group called Aryan Unit One, and that the couple, who had already obtained a timing device, planned to blow up black and Jewish landmarks and possibly assassinate black and Jewish leaders. They are convicted of conspiracy, weapons violations and obstruction, bank robbery and other charges.

-October 14, 2001: October 14, 2001 Christian terrorist Steve Anderson, upon being pulled over in a routine traffic stop, pulls out a semi-automatic weapon and sprayed the police officer's car with bullets before fleeing into the woods in his truck. Officials later find six pipe bombs in Anderson's abandoned truck and 27 bombs and destructive devices in his home. He was found, arrested and sentenced to 15 years.

-July 19, 2002: Christian terrorist and North Carolina KKK leader Charles Robert Barefoot Jr. is arrested for plotting to blow up the Johnson County Sheriff's Office, the county jail and the sheriff. Officers find more than two dozen weapons in Barefoot's home and bombs and bomb components in the home of Barefoot's son, Daniel Barefoot, who is charged the same day with arson of a school bus and an empty barn.

-Feb 13, 2003: Anti-Semitic Christian terrorist David Wayne Hull, is arrested for attempting to buy hand grenades to blow up abortion clinics. The FBI says Hull also illegally instructed followers on how to build pipe bombs.

-April 1, 2004: Oklahoma Neo-Nazi and Christian terrorist Sean Gillespie videotapes himself firebombing the Temple B'nai Israel as part of a video he hopes will inspire others to commit similar attack. In it he states he will carry out 14 violent attacks, in reference to "the 14 words" cited by many white supremacists.

-October 13, 2004: Discharged National Guardsman turned Christian terrorist Ivan Duane Braden is arrested after telling counselors about his plans to blow up a synagogue and a National Guard armory in Tennessee. Braden told the FBI he planned to go into a synagogue wearing a trench coat stuffed with explosives and get "as close to children and the rabbi as possible."

-October 24, 2004: Anti-Semite and Christian terrorist Demetrius Crocker is arrested upon attempting to purchase ingredients for deadly sarin nerve gas and C-4 plastic explosives from an undercover agent.

-May 20, 2005: Neo-Nazi and Christian identity World Church of the Creator terrorists Craig Orler and Gabriel Carafa are arrested when they ask a police informant to build them a bomb. They are charged with the illegal sale of 11 guns to police informants.

-June 10, 2005: Christian KKK terrorist Daniel J. Schertz is indicted in Chattanooga, Tenn., on federal weapons charges for allegedly making seven pipe bombs and selling them to an undercover informant with the idea that they would be used to murder Mexican and Haitian immigrant workers.

-October 28, 2008: Christian white supremacists Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman, are arrested in Tennessee for plotting to assassinate Barack Obama and murder more than 100 black people. Officials say Schlesselman and Cowart planned to kill 88 people, then behead another 14.

-April 4, 2009: Christian white supremacist Richard Andrew Poplawski is arrested after killing 3 police officers and severely wounding a fourth. He informs investigators that he fired extra bullets into the bodies of two of the officers “just to make sure they were dead.”

-May 31, 2009. Christian terrorist Scott Roeder kills Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, in the Wichita, Kansas Lutheran church where Tiller serves as an usher.

-June 10, 2009. Christian and white supremacist James von Brunn kills a security guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. from point-blank range.

-September 26-October 3, 2011. Christian white supremacists David Joseph Pedersen and Holly Ann Grigsby kill Pedersen's father and stepmother in Washington, a man they believe is Jewish in Oregon, and a black man in California.

- Wisconsin in 2012 , six people killed at a Sikh temple by Christian terrorist Wade Page

-April 13, 2014. Christian terrorist and white supremacist Frazier Glenn Miller kills three people in the area of a Jewish community center and Jewish retirement community in Overland Park, Kansas.

-July 24, 2015: Radical Christian and anti-feminist terrorist John Russell Houser kills two women at a screening of the Amy Schumer comedy Trainwreck in Lafayette, Louisiana.

-Nov. 27, 2015: Cristian terrorist Robert Lewis Dear shoots and kills three people, including a police officer, at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs.

-January 30, 2017: Christian white nationalist kills 6 in a Quebec Canada mosque.

-January of 2017: Christian white supremacists threaten 48 different Jewish centers with bombings.

I'm very sure there are more but truly, I am sick of typing. Sources include SPLC, CNN, Wkipedia and RawStory.

[Gravitycollapse]

55. None of those things are exclusive to "Western thought"

You also failed to mention that most of "Western thought" (Read:White Western philosophy) revolves around natural law, colonial occupation, economic domination, and racial purity.

The Enlightenment is largely a misnomer. Most of the eras writings were Christian apologias written by privileged white men.

[uponit7771]

59. The KKK is an ACTIVE "Christian" terrorist organization... your statement is false on its face

[Humanist_Activist]

65. You do realize that Christianity and Judaism, along with a bunch of other religions are...

also incompatible with "Western thought" as you define it?

In fact, I'm puzzled by this, Islam does not pose an existential threat to any nation of Western Europe or the Americas, nor a threat to any of those values you purport to uphold. Those values face a greater threat from ultra-nationalist Christian Dominists, at least in the United States.

[uponit7771]

58. THANK YOU!!! I Don't believe someone comes on DU and post overtly bigoted shit while talking about

... bigots.

I'm starting to think a lot of people in this country don't recognize bigotry or the tolerance of it...

[Maru Kitteh]

61. Thank you. Sometimes you read some pretty dumb shit on the interwebs.

I have seen crazy stuff, all over the Googles. Claiming some racist bullshit exceptionalism of so-called 'western thought' and touting the non-violence of Christianity over other major religions is . . . well it ranks right up there.

[uponit7771]

57. Bigotry is "Much of Islam in incompatible with Western Thought, ideals & the Enlightenment" Another

... non Muslim telling the world how bad Islam is :rolleyes:

[MicaelS]

62. So what?

Non-Christians tell Christians how bad it is all the time. Why is Islam supposed to be immune from criticism?

[uponit7771]

63. Strawman, no one is claiming anything is free from criticism jus bigotry of double standards

[lanlady]

30. It was a disappointing interview

Maher went into his tedious self-hating liberal shtick with Milo,which he does every so often for whatever reason (to curry favor with right-wing guests, I guess). Not his best moment to be sure.

[spanone]

36. maher put a light on the cockroach.

[Maru Kitteh]

37. I don't care why he was on, I'm just happy AF to see Milo done with.

And for the record, I think Milo's selection as a keynote speaker was far more relevant and what finally spelled his doom. That's when the long knives came out from the left, and the right.

[poli3]

44. If Maher hadn't elevated Milo

he never even would've gotten a speaking role at CPAC to begin with.

[k2qb3]

43. Milo is the victim of a pedophile priest.

That's the missing context for his entire persona and this development.

[womanofthehills]

47. Actually, Milo said he seduced the priest

probably to make himself look like he is always in charge.

[ProfessorGAC]

60. You Have No Doubts About His Veracity?

I sure do. How can you trust him?

[Humanist_Activist]

66. Even if that is true, it doesn't excuse his current behavior and beliefs. n/t

[Demonaut]

46. what?..............lol

so wrong

[NutmegYankee]

48. I think the opposite is true.

Maher let him expose himself and he shot his own foot off.

[dchill]

51. +1000

[jeanmarc]

52. He's right about Islam and all religions, he's wrong on Milo

He never had to give Milo a platform. This country is going to hell and that sort of shit doesn't help.

No, Maher didn't save free speech. He helped to bury it.

[Lint Head]

53. Not concerned.

[stopbush]

54. I have more of a problem with Mahler's continued use of words like "fag" and "bitch"

to appeal to a sense of humor that's 30 years out of style than I do with him inviting "controversial" guests on his show. It is his show, after all. He certainly isn't the deepest interviewer or host, but he does try.

His shining a light on the cockroach Milo was a good thing, at least if Milo's sudden change in fortune is any indicator of whether his appearing on Real Time was a good or bad career move.

[Blue_Tires]

64. Well, anything that pisses off Intercept Bros like Scahill can't be all bad...

and let's be honest here -- It's not like Maher hasn't regularly had on guests who were 95% as bad as Milo before...