Ever since we lost, folks have said WE didn't do enough to reach the voters Cheeto got

[jodymarie aimee]

I have never ascribed to this. I know we all floundered around Nov 9th and asked what the hell....we had our monthly DEM meeting Nov 9th and one lady alder stood up and said we should go to taverns and hang around them and get them to like us. My eyes bugged out of my head. When I was young and lived in Berkeley we didn't expect pols to come to us. WE informed OURSELVES. And we had no cars, no cellphones, no tvs, no internet. We had ourselves and perhaps a radio and each other.

Why have voters, young and old, gotten so lame and lazy? It is our duty as citizens to be informed and not expect the leaders to molly coddle us.....here in WI it is said all the time, gee, HRC didn't come here enough.....HUH? You really couldn't tell the difference between her and Trump? You needed her to come here and talk to you? All crap. And the reason she did lose in WI was cheating, both legal cheating and illegal cheating, I will believe this to my dying day.

So at 18 and now at 65, I am not going to go to Cheeto voters' haunts and sweet talk them. Anymore than I will invite my abusive ex over Sunday to play scrabble with me.

[Matthew28]

1. Should of

Focused on the downsides of trade and how it has hurt so many people. Democrats seriously need come out for more jobs, anti-outsourcing and fairer trade agreements.

[msanthrope]

27. Our Democratic president lowered the unemployment rate to 4.8%

You can't come out for jobs more forcefully than that.... and frankly once this country realizes that it was Russia who was against the TPP..... I want an explanation from those who didn't support it.

[uponit7771]

2. Amen!! " And the reason she did lose in WI was cheating" Russia hacked the state and local electoral

... boards and I don't believe for a split second they hacked those systems looked at the data and said fuck it... lets do nothing.

I will never ever let the overt cheating go

[KittyWampus]

10. There is no proof of that. NONE. BTW, how many times did Clinton campaign in WI?

A state she had to win.

And both Obama and the Clinton campaign stated Russians did not change the vote count

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/us/politics/hacking-russia-election-fears-barack-obama-donald-trump.html

[uponit7771]

15. This is false on its face... It's in the Intel report twice that they hacked the state and local..

... boards

Be careful of spreading fake news

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/according-declassified-report-russians

[KittyWampus]

18. You are categorically WRONG. They did not access voting machines. There is zero evidence

and Obama and Clinton BOTH said this did not happen.

[uponit7771]

19. This is also false on its face, the intel report DOES say twice that the state & local electoral...

... boards were hacked... FULL STOP

Your overt and open strawman besides (I never said anything about voting machines) I don't know why some here on DU are so concerned with being nats ass on terminology with this election being hacked.

It reminds me of the diction distractions gumpers toss onto gun positions to keep from arguing the main point.

Few here and some even on the right understand this election smelled funny at the least.... What the scent of the funny smell was is irrelevant.

This was NOT... a free and fair election... you're not going to convince people on the left that it was

[KittyWampus]

20. The data bases were hacked. Not the voting machines. Not the vote tallies.

[uponit7771]

21. KW, that's a strawman ... you're interjecting a position I never proffered and has nothing to do wit

... the conversation at hand ....as if someone said it was.

This election NOT being hacked at the voting or tallie machine level doesn't mean it wasn't hacked at all... there are a multitude of ways to commit election fraud electronically in the US without getting near the individual voting machines.

[KittyWampus]

22. Oh, I see. You're going for the the Russians hacked the TABULATORS? With zero evidence?

That's just as unfounded.

[uponit7771]

23. No I'm not ... and there are multiple ways to hack the election without stepping near the tabulator

.... either.

Look, cross check is enough... there's no conspiracy there right?

tia

[KittyWampus]

24. Cross check has nothing to do with Russians hacking vote totals.

[uponit7771]

25. It doesn't have to either, just hack cross check and keep people from voting or their provisional...

... from being counted

Multiple articles on it...

Bottom line, hack what Jeb Bush admitted to using in 2000 and win elections

[LenaBaby61]

29. It doesn't have to either, just hack cross check and keep people from voting or their provisional.

Exactly!

Some people aren't exactly able to grasp or even believe that the GOP and their voter suppression tactics AND whatever it WAS that the ruskies did in terms of meddling in our elections. The ruskies have and WILL be meddling in elections all over Europe AGAIN.

Biden: Russia will hack elections in Europe

Joe Biden used his final speech as vice president to issue a stark warning about the threat Russia poses to Europe and the United States.
Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Biden said Russia was at the forefront of efforts to dissolve the community of democracies, using every tool available to it. Vice-President Joe Biden spoke about this back in January.

"The purpose is clear: to collapse the liberal international order," he told the audience of politicians and business leaders.

Russia would use online propaganda and cyber attacks to try to influence elections in Europe, he warned.

"It's not just the United States that has been targeted, we have seen the same kinds of attacks in the past, and with many countries of Europe slated to hold elections this year, we should expect further attempts by Russia to meddle in the democratic process," he said. "It will occur again, I promise you."
Trump aide: Stop freaking out about his comments
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov again denied any Russian involvement in the U.S. election.

"It is not Russia but the European Union that has interfered in the U.S. election. The leaders of EU states have made it clear they supported Hillary Clinton and demonized Donald Trump," he said Wednesday.
Biden said the U.S. and Europe must act urgently to defend the values that had brought peace and prosperity after World War II from the forces of illiberalism and intolerance.

"We see it in Asia and the Middle East, where China and Iran would clearly prefer a world... in which they have overwhelming sway in their regions," he said. "And, I'll not mince words, this movement is principally led by Russia," he added.

The vice president said that under President Putin, Russia was using "every tool available to them" to whittle away at the edges of Europe and return to a world carved up into spheres of influence.
He accused Russia of "sending little green men across the border to Ukraine to stir violence," and using energy as a weapon by threatening to cut its supplies of gas to Europe.

"I'm here today to issue a call to action -- we cannot wait for others to write the future they hope to see," Biden said. "The U.S. and Europe have to lead the fight to defend the values that have brought us where we are today."
Before traveling to Switzerland, Biden visited Ukraine for the sixth time as vice president to show his support.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/18/news/joe-biden-russia-europe-elections/

[uponit7771]

35. +1, it sounds like a blame the victim power grab for the DNC... I don't trust that line of thinking

.. at all in the light of all the evidence of the KGOP's cheating

[Glamrock]

3. I tried

But here in the Midwest, just mentioning Hillary got people hot under the collar.

(Here for me was IN, IL outside the greater Chicago land area, MI, OH, and MO)

[LenaBaby61]

9. But here in the Midwest, just mentioning Hillary got people hot under the collar.

Guess after tRumputin and the GOP shits on the Mid-west after his stolen election win, those who voted for him will STILL be mad at Hillary or even at former President Obama I guess if Cheetolini tells them to be mat at them

[Glamrock]

13. Not Cheetolini, Fox news.

That's all these people know....with a generous helping of Limbaugh and his mimics of course. It's fucking revolting. It's nearly impossible to get through that bubble they live in. For years they blamed the economic crisis on the people who bought the houses "even though they couldn't afford them." If you pressed for details it was Carter's fault. "He forced banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford it."

[LenaBaby61]

30. Not Cheetolini, Fox news.

Sad isn't it Glamrock?

Friends have had to un-friend relatives, block relatives and friends on twitter/facebook etc. I've never seen anything like this in my LIFE--how this tRumputin/ruskie sham presidency--has literally torn this country up. I've had friends who were Republicans back in the day, and while we may have disagreed but we always worked out our problems and remained friends. But I can honestly say that I have about 8 Republican friends who themselves have sadly told me that they had to let go of some of their Republican friends/relatives because they're gone so extremist. One of my next door neighbors told me that she had to let go of her toxic family (Cousins with good jobs and who are educated and other relatives) back in Ohio and another friend who had to let go of toxic relatives living in West Virginia as well. The friend whose family is in WV, has an auntie living back there who agrees with her but due to age/bad health is stuck living with her son and "rotten" daughter-in-law who are now borderline Nazis this aunt has to go along to get along. The relatives I hear blame Mexicans for their woes, and my friend tole me that there are very few Hispanics living there in WV.

[bravenak]

4. Damn straight

[Skittles]

5. I don't like to hang out with racists

[NanceGreggs]

6. Agreed.

The Democrats stood up for raising the minimum wage, ensuring affordable healthcare for all, protecting unions, protecting the rights of women, LGBTers, minorities, the disabled, and our vets.

Our platform was rife with all of the above.

Those who chose to vote against Hillary chose to vote against all of those things, and more.

In this day and age, there is NO excuse for being ill-informed. There isn't a fact that can't be accessed via the internet. There isn't a lie that can't be debunked by a mouse-click.

Those who decided NOT to avail themselves of such easily-accessible information are just plain STUPID - and have no one to blame but themselves for what is about to befall them.

[Glamrock]

14. Now Nance..

You don't wanna go dehumanizing people by calling them stupid do you?

On edit: I'm with you. They are fucking stupid.

[NRaleighLiberal]

7. The fix was in - Russia. All other reasons are not valid.

[LenaBaby61]

11. "The fix was in - Russia. All other reasons are not valid."

The election was rigged, stolen thanks to the ruskies/tRumputin/Comey and voter disenfranchised, voter purged, voter crosschecked and voter purged thanks to the GOP.

NONE of those other reasons are valid like you say they're not because the election was STOLEN from the Democrats/Hillary.

[NRaleighLiberal]

12. Exactly. That occurrence makes all of the hand wringing about how this or that campaigned

moot.

[Amaryllis]

17. YES! Crosscheck and voter suppression was HUGE. And it was reported before the election

that Russia hacked into voter reg databases in Illinois and AZ and tried to hack into others. I dont believe for a minute that they stopped with databases with all the hacking going on.

[uponit7771]

16. +1

[dalton99a]

8. Their proud and willful ignorance borders on religiosity.

It's mind boggling. They're not worth your time.

[njhoneybadger]

26. Simple facts tRump voters didn't know

Stock market went way up under Obama,unemployment went down,jobs created.

[Blanks]

28. The election was hacked very cleverly...

What you don't hear very often is how the Russian owned media hacked the election. Which is odd to me because that's probably the thing that made the most difference and it was right there in front of us the whole time. The easiest thing to verify.

We have these 'dyed-in-the-wool' progressives that democrats trust and they tell us repeatedly that "Hillary was a weak candidate". Hillary was a very strong candidate, we were defeated by cliches generated by Russian media. A couple of people I've seen in videos (here) occasionally and never paid much attention to are Thom Hartmann, Mike Papantonio and Ed Shultz. They are on Russian Television. Just how widespread that kind of thing was before the election, I don't know, but that's one way we can look back on the election and say "the election was hacked".

Every time, every fucking time, you hear someone say "Hillary was a weak candidate" you need to say: "the election was hacked by the Russians".

Scroll down to just before the election (in the Ed Schultz link below) and every story from Ed Shultz painted Hillary in a bad light. He is supposed to be extremely progressive. Bullshit, he's owned by the Russians. I've only watched a few of these guys' videos, so I never paid a lot of attention to them, but I know there are a lot of people who put a bunch of stock in them. They probably said how weak a candidate Hillary was every time their lips moved. Additionally, how many times did we hear how Sanders was the better candidate, I expect it's the same thing. The Russians planting this kind of thing in voters heads by having these highly visible progressives following their Russian issued marching orders.

https://www.rt.com/shows/news-with-ed-schultz/

Scroll on down to 'Propaganda Claims and Related Issues' in the link below.

Excerpt:
"RT "the well-known disinformation outlet for Russian propaganda"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

We were hacked by Vladimir Putin controlled Russian media, and the longer it goes without being pointed out, the longer its gonna take to get us out of this mess.

We can start by saying "Hillary was not a weak candidate, we were hacked by the Russians".

[njhoneybadger]

32. Don't forget Facebook either, Russia was working a lot of different angles all at once

[Blanks]

33. While I'm sure that's true...

That'd be more difficult to analyze. I don't know for sure that these 'progressive personalities' fed into the whole "Hillary is a weak candidate" chorus, but just what I've looked at indicates that they did some damage and the TV network is run by the Russians and controlled by Putin.

It's an easy connection to make, prove even.

[Johonny]

31. The Dems need to build the liberal media the RW pretends exists

The conservative movement from letters to the editor, to radio, to TV dominates the news cycle. The liberals have a few you tube channels, websites and a host or two on cable TV and that is basically it. As a liberal you need to go out of your way to find people trying to inform you. A conservative never has this problem.

The Dems need to actually invest in the media. It's pretty clear we live in the age of information and you can't sit and hope those that control information's flow will get your message out. The fairness doctrine is gone long time now. It is time Democrats accepted that and moved to make media outlets that actually deliver news. The great thing for them is, the truth has a liberal bias. In many areas of the country there are people just dying to actually here real unfiltered news...

[Lil Missy]

34. That's bullshit. And the Cheeto supporters can go piss up a rope. We don't want or need them.

They are idiot, mean spirited, knuckle dragging asswipes