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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 07:53 PM Feb 2017

Trump is sinking.



Robert Reich
33 mins ·


Trump is sinking. Less than five weeks into his presidency, he has an approval rating of 38 percent and a disapproval rating of 55 percent. His approval is 4 points lower than just two weeks ago, and his disapproval rating has climbed steadily from 44 percent days after he took office to 51 percent on Feb. 7 and 55 percent Wednesday.

“President Donald Trump’s popularity is sinking like a rock,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac poll. “He gets slammed on honesty, empathy, level-headedness and the ability to unite. And two of his strong points, leadership and intelligence, are sinking to new lows. This is a terrible survey one month in.”

The majority of Americans have common sense, even if 38 percent of them are living in Trumpland.

What do you think?
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Trump is sinking. (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2017 OP
maybe he ran into an iceburg. putitinD Feb 2017 #1
Trumptanic? trof Feb 2017 #20
LOL!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2017 #73
"And two of his strong points, leadership and intelligence," BlueStater Feb 2017 #2
His followers believed it leftstreet Feb 2017 #3
That graphic is fucking amazing.... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #11
so true, 100% heaven05 Feb 2017 #31
yep! that's one to share, and i know just who should see it... thank you very much! liberalla Feb 2017 #39
That is so true!!! yardwork Feb 2017 #41
copied and saved that graphic LittleGirl Feb 2017 #54
Remember, "I'm like a smart guy" bigbrother05 Feb 2017 #64
He knows words, he has the best words...he's a highly educated guy DK504 Feb 2017 #70
He's been exposed to excellent educational opportunities jmowreader Feb 2017 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Jeroen Feb 2017 #77
That is not the face of a sane man world wide wally Feb 2017 #67
Seriously... what the fuck are they smoking? Raster Feb 2017 #5
I think they are using something much stronger... SeattleVet Feb 2017 #45
Meth and hillbilly heroin Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #47
you got that right... used to live in FedWay...now in AZ... Raster Feb 2017 #61
Relatively speaking gratuitous Feb 2017 #6
Nah,,, they wont fret none,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2017 #38
I think that's known as grading on a scale. n/t Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #13
Talked to my LIV minipoot friend... There making excuses already uponit7771 Feb 2017 #30
he is a bully and a moron Skittles Feb 2017 #57
Watch out below! Wellstone ruled Feb 2017 #4
And most are expecting him to do just that. I doubt it will have the effect he thinks. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #21
one has to be a real fucKing dumbass if they thought intelligence was one of his strong points JI7 Feb 2017 #7
O'donnell's show last night... northoftheborder Feb 2017 #8
saw that triron Feb 2017 #22
45 is even sinking in Fox and Rasmussen polls Rorey Feb 2017 #9
I think they're zentrum Feb 2017 #10
Them the terrorists would have been Chakaconcarne Feb 2017 #15
Completely. zentrum Feb 2017 #28
Black flag operations are executed by experienced intelligence professionals Volaris Feb 2017 #36
Oh, dear God Scarsdale Feb 2017 #62
"The majority of Americans have common sense" Hayduke Bomgarte Feb 2017 #12
Dumbasses Cosmocat Feb 2017 #23
Be aware of that meme "common sense." calimary Feb 2017 #33
Whatever I hear the thugs saying Hayduke Bomgarte Feb 2017 #75
Yep. Pretty much that's what you have to do. calimary Feb 2017 #81
I think enough did show up at the polls. Ligyron Feb 2017 #69
True - but his congresscritters will defend him no matter what. tenorly Feb 2017 #14
I like that one! "Sir Fetus Funeral"! calimary Feb 2017 #35
Bush loyalist; John Bircher; member of the pro-theocracy C Street Family; all-around asshole tenorly Feb 2017 #42
He would DEFINITELY not be an improvement over trump. calimary Feb 2017 #46
It's amazing how many people can't see that - when just a cursory glance at Pence's bio should do. tenorly Feb 2017 #52
We'll see how that goes a year from now as 2018 creeps ever closer BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #50
"Sir Fetus Funeral" SkyDaddy7 Feb 2017 #56
Has a nice ring to it - in an Addams Family sort of way. tenorly Feb 2017 #68
Exactly!! SkyDaddy7 Feb 2017 #84
I just think it's so sad that Pussy Grabber isn't "appreciated" more! BigDemVoter Feb 2017 #16
They had to ask about intelligence? bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #17
trump is sinking himself. Cha Feb 2017 #18
I think these numbers are way better than they should be. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2017 #19
Unfortunately, nothing will happen until the GOP asshats in Congress Stonepounder Feb 2017 #24
Their numbers have always been at the bottom BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #25
Well check out Rachael from yesterday. Stonepounder Feb 2017 #26
Yup, that's what I heard BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #29
I dont think he cares. Kilgore Feb 2017 #27
Will there be a refugee crisis in Trumpland? Beartracks Feb 2017 #32
He should never be above 30. mountain grammy Feb 2017 #34
If only I had a brain Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #37
this is actually very dangerous 0rganism Feb 2017 #40
Yes I fear the same LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #44
Yep. That's what I fear, too. calimary Feb 2017 #48
Disagree BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #51
By continuing to campaign, he is hardening his core supporters wildeyed Feb 2017 #43
When even Quinnipiac looks bad for a Republican ... zehnkatzen Feb 2017 #49
as long as there is one poll MFM008 Feb 2017 #53
...... trusty elf Feb 2017 #55
My version of hell nocalflea Feb 2017 #58
Oh dear.. Kentonio Feb 2017 #59
Golden rain? lunatica Feb 2017 #82
And he hasn't done anything positive Buckeyeblue Feb 2017 #60
How do we get that 38% JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #63
38% of WHAT????? Oh, that's right - he's going to nuke education as well.......... raven mad Feb 2017 #65
One of his supporters wrote in facebook rpannier Feb 2017 #66
Man, talk about delusions!!! ailsagirl Feb 2017 #71
Obama had numbers this low, but Fatso is on a steep slope to oblivion Kolesar Feb 2017 #72
That is about where I would expect his approval rating to be 35-38% meadowlark5 Feb 2017 #76
the fact that this misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, ignorant, hate-mongering, niyad Feb 2017 #78
Wishful Thinking Nevernose Feb 2017 #79
I have chosen my nickname for him: ID yorkie77 Feb 2017 #80
I wouldn't expect anything less from the popular vote loser Dopers_Greed Feb 2017 #83
Fare thee well struggle4progress Feb 2017 #85

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
64. Remember, "I'm like a smart guy"
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:44 AM
Feb 2017

Like a smart guy is not the same as BEING a smart guy. He's like a smart guy that has a middle school vocabulary (generous) that ends up repeating phrases with minimal content to make a point in case you missed the first 2 times.

Okay, maybe not such a smart guy, but wink wink, avoiding taxes makes him a smart guy, right?

Or maybe that word doesn't mean what he thinks it means?

Response to DK504 (Reply #70)

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
45. I think they are using something much stronger...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:11 AM
Feb 2017

The places where it is legal to smoke the good stuff didn't vote for the guy!

Raster

(20,998 posts)
61. you got that right... used to live in FedWay...now in AZ...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 08:47 AM
Feb 2017

...we just voted DOWN recreational use...fucking rethuglicans.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Relatively speaking
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 07:58 PM
Feb 2017

I'm not sure how his intelligence is measured by people who rate it highly, but there's no question that there is a segment of our population that is totally infatuated with President Trump's "leadership" style, even if his bellicose mouth writes fat checks his anemic administrative skills can't cash. Big talkers can always find an audience. For a while.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
38. Nah,,, they wont fret none,,,,,
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 10:02 PM
Feb 2017

just drag Ole Hillary out and flog her a wee bit and those numbers will jump right back up!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Watch out below!
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 07:56 PM
Feb 2017

What is scary is,you just know this sucker is going to create some type of incident to return focus to himself.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
10. I think they're
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 08:30 PM
Feb 2017

...going to have or frame a "terrorist" attack of some sort as soon as they can arrange it. By arrange, I mean either ignore signals of one being planned or actually black flagg one. Bannon/Breitbart nationalists are capable of anything.

Fear usually makes people be docile if they think it will make them safer.



zentrum

(9,865 posts)
28. Completely.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:11 PM
Feb 2017

Commentators I hear and read say that Rump has made us monumentally more unsafe because he has so insulted Muslims.

And Bannon sees history in terms of a clash of civilizations, Christian West vs. Islamic East.

They are trying to stir up an attack, IMO, while defanging the CIA and NSA that might detect one in time.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
36. Black flag operations are executed by experienced intelligence professionals
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:37 PM
Feb 2017

Trumps voters are none of the 3. For that kind of op, you need people smart enough to not only pull it off, but keep their mouths shut after the fact. With the professional intelligence community seemingly against trusting this administration, it might be possible for Bannon to try, but i dont think it would hold up for long.
JM2C

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
62. Oh, dear God
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:11 AM
Feb 2017

Would YOU take comfort from this Agent Orange, if there was an attack? He would be first to hide, with his prize Ivanka. The rest of the family would be on their own. He is a coward. No guts, no glory. Blowhard.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
12. "The majority of Americans have common sense"
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 08:31 PM
Feb 2017

Hah!

I strongly believe that, if that were true, that majority would have shown up at the polls and we wouldn't be in this clusterf**ked shit pile.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
33. Be aware of that meme "common sense."
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:36 PM
Feb 2017

It's often a dog whistle on the other side, often used to describe some stupid-ass or discriminatory or mean-spirited or short-sighted new legislation that the proponents hope you won't read up on, because you just heard them use the phrase "common sense."

Whenever you hear CONS describing something as "common sense," let that trigger a big flashing red light in the back of your brain.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
81. Yep. Pretty much that's what you have to do.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:02 PM
Feb 2017

Assume they're trying to roll you.

I'm noticing that here. We've got local elections next month. There's a guy running against Eric Garcetti for L.A. mayor. Nowhere on his campaign literature OR his website does it make clear whether he's a Dem or a CON. I called the campaign number and got voicemail. It MATTERS to me. And I said so in the message I left.

So with no other information to clarify things, I'm forced to assume that the other guy (name is Mitchell Schwartz) is a CON. I noticed that awhile ago with various campaigns and campaign literature. Maybe because this is a blue state and L.A. is true blue, seems there are what I call "stealth candidates" whose literature and website and sloganeering talks about all these great wonderful and harmless-sounding things. But they don't identify what party they're from. And since they don't, I automatically assume they're trying to pull something over on the unsuspecting. CON-JOB ALERT!

I WILL NOT VOTE GOP. Not now, not next month, not next year, not four years from now, NOT EVER.

Ligyron

(7,627 posts)
69. I think enough did show up at the polls.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:05 PM
Feb 2017

Whether they got to vote or had their vote counted correctly is another matter altogether

We was robbed ...

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
14. True - but his congresscritters will defend him no matter what.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 08:34 PM
Feb 2017

Worse still, we have no real choice. Ousting Cheeto and having him replaced with Sir Fetus Funeral would only mean going from bad to worse.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
35. I like that one! "Sir Fetus Funeral"!
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:37 PM
Feb 2017

I've never seen or heard anyone that insufferably sanctimonious in my entire life. Utterly nauseating! Even Ted Cruz isn't quite that bad.

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
42. Bush loyalist; John Bircher; member of the pro-theocracy C Street Family; all-around asshole
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:03 PM
Feb 2017

As you know, many seem to think to think he'd be an improvement over Trump; but no one should be fooled by his Church Deacon act. That freak's straight out of the Spanish Inquisition.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
46. He would DEFINITELY not be an improvement over trump.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:15 AM
Feb 2017

Not by a long shot!

In some ways he's worse. Wolf in whiter-than-white sheep's clothing, hellbent on imposing Christian Sharia Law on the whole country, now that he's had some experience with it in Indiana. I suspect he's developed quite a taste for it from his hapless governor days.

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
52. It's amazing how many people can't see that - when just a cursory glance at Pence's bio should do.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:04 AM
Feb 2017

A lot of people just assume that since he's polite and has political experience, that automatically makes him "reasonable."

That's exactly what the Italian Royal family said of Mussolini when they decided to back him - and as you know, his insanity ended up destroying them (and of course much of Italy).

If anything Pence is even worse, since Mussolini was at the very least not a fundamentalist Bible thumper and actually believed in public health and public works.

The trains not running on time would be the least of our worries if that freak Pence takes over.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
50. We'll see how that goes a year from now as 2018 creeps ever closer
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:46 AM
Feb 2017

I'd bet a finger some tunes will be a changing. They have 24 reps who have to defend seats in districts Clinton won.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
56. "Sir Fetus Funeral"
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 03:52 AM
Feb 2017

That is AWESOME!!! Thank-you so much I was in need of laugh & you provided it!!

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
24. Unfortunately, nothing will happen until the GOP asshats in Congress
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:02 PM
Feb 2017

see their numbers sinking. Till then, they are happy as clams with Trump.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
25. Their numbers have always been at the bottom
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:05 PM
Feb 2017

It was 19% (approval) when they were sworn in - http://www.gallup.com/poll/201974/congress-job-approval-start-new-session.aspx

Nothing will happen until we find Democrats to run against them and vote them out of office!

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
26. Well check out Rachael from yesterday.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:09 PM
Feb 2017

Dems wanting to run for Congress are everywhere. Districts and States where Dems haven't run a serious candidate in years, or where they lost a seat in the last election suddenly have qualified candidates eager to run. One Dem official said "Its raining candidates". Lets keep up the momentum!!

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
32. Will there be a refugee crisis in Trumpland?
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 09:35 PM
Feb 2017

America's borders are always open to immigrants from Trumpland.

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0rganism

(23,944 posts)
40. this is actually very dangerous
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 10:10 PM
Feb 2017

at some point in this first year of minority preznit Trump, he's going to get antsy about those ratings
when that happens, he's going to start stirring shit up, and he has a very big stick
i fully expect something big and ugly to happen to a blue city in a blue state
once it does, we will go to war and the population will fall in line behind Twitler.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, 1946

last November, we proved beyond a shadow of a doubt we are not better at democracy than the Germans of the 1930s.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
44. Yes I fear the same
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:49 PM
Feb 2017

Some false flag 'terrorist attack' coming soon.

Unfortunately this seems to always work. I think Bush had pretty dismal numbers as well for a new President eight months in. Then 9/11 happened. (No I'm not saying it was a false flag) But next thing you know he is at 90% and has the world behind him. Those numbers imply that most Democrats also were supportive and trusting of Bush right after as well. I find that hard to believe (I sure wasn't) but it proves it works. That means that there will even be some on this board, of the more authoritarian bent, that will also 'stand behind our President'.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
48. Yep. That's what I fear, too.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:18 AM
Feb 2017

And that's how it played out. Overnight, dubya went from floundering to flying high.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
51. Disagree
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:52 AM
Feb 2017

There are already lots of questions about Trump's readiness to be president, his attention to detail and his management by chaos style which lends itself to getting caught with your pants down. His toxic relationship with the intelligence community is broadly understood by everyone but the deplorables who are irrelevant to this discussion.

There were few if any of those same questions and criticisms of W before 9-11 went down. And moreover, Puddles would absolutely fuck up any political gain he might enjoy by simply not even being able to project the image that he could actually lead in a crisis. There wouldn't be a Trump on a pile of rubble with a bullhorn moment like W had simply because he doesn't have the political talent to pull that off with anyone but his most devoted brown shirts. And he might get his coat dirty.

Sure there would be unity calls in the beginning, but then the questions would start getting asked. At that point Trump is fucked.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
43. By continuing to campaign, he is hardening his core supporters
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:38 PM
Feb 2017

but ALSO hardening his opposition. Look at the townhalls. They are NUTS. Trump built that. Everyone is already exhausted and confused by his shenanigans. Conservatives usually dislike change and Trump serves up HEAPS of that everyday.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
58. My version of hell
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:28 AM
Feb 2017

is hearing Trumper after Trumper, in interview after interview saying what a great job he is doing & "you people need to show him respect".
Respect is earned , dumbf....s.And Trump hasn't earned a damn thing.
(and to think my previous version of hell was listening to Kelley-Anne Conjob -every spin lie she's ever uttered-on a loop)

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
59. Oh dear..
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:53 AM
Feb 2017

“He gets slammed on honesty, empathy, level-headedness and the ability to unite."

I genuinely read that as 'the ability to urinate'.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
60. And he hasn't done anything positive
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:26 AM
Feb 2017

He has struggled just to put together (and keep) a cabinet. His first major policy decision was about keeping the wrong people out of the country, caused massive protests, was quickly shut down by the courts. His second decision targets transgendered children/students.

He is into it up to his eyeballs with a Russian scandal that could potentially serve to be his undoing.

He's just sort of toxic to listen to.

Where are the jobs? He has done nothing to put his base back to work. Nothing.

Even if the scandals get buried by the repugs in congress, this is the making of a very weak president.

And each day that he gets weaker, gives the dems in the senate even more reason to filibuster.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
63. How do we get that 38%
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:18 AM
Feb 2017

To stop talking. Seriously - I'm done with these brain washed idiots who put us in this position.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
65. 38% of WHAT????? Oh, that's right - he's going to nuke education as well..........
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:01 AM
Feb 2017

Trumpland - I had dubbed it sTrumpingrad!

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
66. One of his supporters wrote in facebook
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:05 AM
Feb 2017

that the reason why people fon't like him is because Trump is the adult in the room making the tough decisions.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
72. Obama had numbers this low, but Fatso is on a steep slope to oblivion
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:11 PM
Feb 2017

And what's wrong? We are near full employment. No "war", ok, ignore Afghanistan. People have healthcare if they want it.

One big story and the gops in Congress will grease him.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
76. That is about where I would expect his approval rating to be 35-38%
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:37 PM
Feb 2017

You will always have a constant of deplorables no matter what. They just exist in the population. When he was in the 40s that's where I was confused. That just seemed like too many "normal" people approving of what he was doing.

Now, if this approval rating drops even lower, then you're getting to the deplorables and that would spell doom. Unlikely, though.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
78. the fact that this misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, ignorant, hate-mongering,
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 04:24 PM
Feb 2017

delusional, narcissistic, war-mongering, constitution-hating self-admitted sexual pervert and predator has a thirty eight per cent approval rating makes me sick. over one-third of the country finds him acceptable.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
79. Wishful Thinking
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 04:33 PM
Feb 2017

Even if he quit today, we'd have the same small cabal of right wing lunatics running things. We can forget about impeachment, too. Not just because of Pence, but now Rs are living out their craziest tea party fantasies, but any political heat falls on Trump, who is mostly irrelevant.

I'm focused on local activism and influencing as many of my local politicians as possible. Efficiency, primarily

yorkie77

(87 posts)
80. I have chosen my nickname for him: ID
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 05:44 PM
Feb 2017

Short for idiot, and also representing that he cannot control himself in any way. No conscience, no nothing.
From Wikipedia:
Id[edit]
The id (Latin for "it",[4] German: Es)[5] is the disorganized part of the personality structure that contains a human's basic, instinctual drives. Id is the only component of personality that is present from birth.[6] It is the source of our bodily needs, wants, desires, and impulses, particularly our sexual and aggressive drives. The id contains the libido, which is the primary source of instinctual force that is unresponsive to the demands of reality.[7] The id acts according to the "pleasure principle"—the psychic force that motivates the tendency to seek immediate gratification of any impulse[8]—defined as seeking to avoid pain or unpleasure (not 'displeasure') aroused by increases in instinctual tension.[9] According to Freud the id is unconscious by definition:

It is the dark, inaccessible part of our personality, what little we know of it we have learned from our study of the dreamwork and of course the construction of neurotic symptoms, and most of that is of a negative character and can be described only as a contrast to the ego. We approach the id with analogies: we call it a chaos, a cauldron full of seething excitations. ... It is filled with energy reaching it from the instincts, but it has no organization, produces no collective will, but only a striving to bring about the satisfaction of the instinctual needs subject to the observance of the pleasure principle.[10]

In the id:

…contrary impulses exist side by side, without cancelling each other out. ... There is nothing in the id that could be compared with negation ... nothing in the id which corresponds to the idea of time.[11]

Developmentally, the id precedes the ego; i.e., the psychic apparatus begins, at birth, as an undifferentiated id, part of which then develops into a structured ego. Thus, the id:

…contains everything that is inherited, that is present at birth, is laid down in the constitution—above all, therefore, the instincts, which originate from the somatic organization, and which find a first psychical expression here (in the id) in forms unknown to us.[12]

The mind of a newborn child is regarded as completely "id-ridden", in the sense that it is a mass of instinctive drives and impulses, and needs immediate satisfaction.

The id "knows no judgements of value: no good and evil, no morality. ... Instinctual cathexes seeking discharge—that, in our view, is all there is in the id."[13] It is regarded as "the great reservoir of libido",[14] the instinctive drive to create—the life instincts that are crucial to pleasurable survival. Alongside the life instincts came the death instincts—the death drive which Freud articulated relatively late in his career in "the hypothesis of a death instinct, the task of which is to lead organic life back into the inanimate state."[15] For Freud, "the death instinct would thus seem to express itself—though probably only in part—as an instinct of destruction directed against the external world and other organisms"[16] through aggression. Freud considered that "the id, the whole person ... originally includes all the instinctual impulses ... the destructive instinct as well",[17] as eros or the life instincts.

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