Has JPR become an Alt-Right site?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8710641



Asking for a friend.

[shenmue]

1. Hmmmm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. That is a very disturbing quote.

[Glamrock]

3. Honestly?

Could give a shit less. I went there a few times during the primaries and stopped when they couldn't get behind Hillary. Fuck em.

[bhikkhu]

4. From my occasional browsing, No

The fight is the outright bigotry and misogyny and racism of the SCROTUS and consorts. I consider JPR as enemies of my enemy.

If anyone is serious about the issues at hand, why spend the time to tear down near-friends, or easy targets like Sarandon and so forth? The real issues are obvious enough.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Hard to say this is the comment of a "near friend", yes?

The only thing that happened to Keith is he is muslim and the jewish contingent

of the party could not have any part of the muslim being “their” party leader.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Racism has many, many forms, indeed…

Purveyor (2407 posts) (Reply to original post) February 25, 2017 at 6:56 pm
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The irony is or maybe it isn't an irony is the person writing that doesn't realize how racist, i.e. anti-semitic that statement is. It's awful. It could be cross posted at breitbart.

[Nevernose]

10. It's a reference to Haim Saban

And Alan Dershowitz.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/24/key-question-about-dnc-race-why-did-white-house-recruit-perez-to-run-against-ellison/

The information n that article seems accurate, although it's Galen Greenwald's site, so I recommend taking the analysis with a grain of salt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Isn't blaming a whole group for the actions of one or a few prejudice?

[stevenleser]

70. That is the very essence of prejudice, yes. nt

[juxtaposed]

6. at times we should look in a mirror.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Are there anti-semitic posters here?

[juxtaposed]

13. I've seen one that hides behind, I didn't mean it, B/S. Still posts here and is still held as

a leader.

[QC]

17. +1

[bravenak]

36. Oh yeah?

[ret5hd]

45. Yeah.

[bravenak]

46. Bullshit

[ret5hd]

47. You or my lying eyes?

Hmmm, you or my lying eyes?

I dunno, I'll get back to ya.

[bravenak]

48. Like I care

JPR has gone full pro deportation and Trump loving, so why attack duers? Makes no sense unless one is protecting those jerks at jpr who are pretty rightwing and laugh at social justice. But somehow WE'RE the racists, not Trump and his ilk. Yeah. Believe what you want but it looks quite suspicious to attack allies while Trump has the ANITSEMITE Bannon on his team, is deporting brown folks and banning muslims. Very suspicious. Almost like people are just tossing terms around to cause more friction between democrats. That plays better at JPR with those racist ass rightwing nutjobs they like to have posting there.

[ret5hd]

49. I know what I saw, and I've only been to JPR twice and that was enough for me.

[bravenak]

50. Um hmm

[ret5hd]

59. I know what I saw.

[melman]

54. Oh, you care

You care a lot.

[mcar]

62. Some people expect perfection in some

but ignore glaring faults in others.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. The only difference between a sinner and a saint is one man's saved and the other person ain't.

[Demsrule86]

67. They are trying to bait you...use the ignore button.

so not worth it.

[bravenak]

76. I know

[melman]

53. Absolutely

And if you so much as mention it your post is hidden, as has already happened in this thread.


But everybody knows who it is. Everybody saw the evidence. No amount of post hiding can change that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Didn't the person apologize, make amends, and never repeat the bad behavior ?

Didn't the person apologize, make amends, and never repeat the bad behavior ?

Sounds like a major success:

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

I am part Jewish and that person is one of my best friends on this board and one of the few I know in real life.

[melman]

66. No

That person made a half-ass apology thread, then self-deleted when it didn't go as planned.

[Demsrule86]

68. It is not your job to attack 'this person'...you have a problem take

it to the mods...if you can't do that then maybe you should stop. I like and respect 'this person'. Many of us took a vacation during the primary including me-it was a difficult time...so maybe you should consider your words and their accuracy.

[melman]

71. I didn't bring it up

It came up and I commented. And I'm not attacking. There is also nothing inaccurate in what I've said.

If you don't like people commenting on this it's really too bad.

[Demsrule86]

72. I think it is terrible to call out a fellow Du'er for nothing in my book...

Comment away...people will size up your comments and your motivations.

[melman]

73. I didn't call anyone out

It had already come up.

And there is a reason to talk about it. The reason is so those who want to pretend it didn't happen, can't.

[Demsrule86]

65. why you posting this stuff? Not true anyway.

[ret5hd]

74. You or my lying eyes? Hmmm.

[Cary]

7. Become?

Or was it always.a racist and misogynist site?

[ornotna]

9. Haven't heard that one since my kids were in school

"asking for a friend" haha, good one.

[JNelson6563]

12. I can't imagine caring.

But DU seems as fascinated by them as they seem to be by DU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Are they fascinated by us?

I am well aware of them, but I haven't visited in months. I just found the quote brought here racist as hell.

[JNelson6563]

20. I have never been there

But I knew, or thought I knew, a group of posters there. Much mention of DU. I am no longer in touch but can't imagine anything's changed.

Came to know them through a non political common ground. When politics came into it (primary season) I realized we had less in common than first thought. I'm more of a real world activist with little appreciation for non active critics. We have parted ways for the most part. I was saddened by the developments.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Haven't been there in months.

But the observations I see in this thread are troubling

-voted for Trump
- attacking a free press is a good thing
-ICE raids are a lie
-Trump is draining the swamp
-General Flynn was a man of peace (that's a good one). There are 1.4 billion Muslims who he has declared the enemy-my thoughts.

[NanceGreggs]

15. JPR is THE best source of political entertainment.

How can you NOT be amused by self-proclaimed True Progressives (TM) lauding Trump for "draining the swamp" as promised, or claiming that his banning news outlets critical of him is simply "getting rid of the gossip-mongers", or insisting that the evidence tying Trump to Russia are total fabrications with no basis whatsoever?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Now I have to visit

How can you NOT be amused by self-proclaimed True Progressives (TM) lauding Trump for "draining the swamp"

You're kidding me.

lauding Trump for "draining the swamp"

Wow

" his banning news outlets critical of him is simply "getting rid of the gossip-mongers"

They are against a free press ! Wow.

" that the evidence tying Trump to Russia are total fabrications with no basis whatsoever? "

OMG

[NanceGreggs]

31. While you're there ...

... be sure to check out the discussion about Will Pitt's latest gem. According to Pitt, excluding certain news outlets from access is a sign of Trump's political genius, because now the MSM are too busy being outraged to talk about his Russian ties.

Obama was a piece-of-shit-used-car-salesman, and Trump is a political genius.

You can't make this shit up - BUT you can read all about it on JPR!

[Cha]

51. I think even the m$m is smarter than trumpitt.

[mcar]

63. Good gad!

That is some ridiculous claptrap!

[ismnotwasm]

16. A weird hate site with alt-right trolls

The worst of DU migrated there much to my relief. Most, but not all of our most serious misogynists left for that shithole. Thank God.

[BainsBane]

21. Yes, and you see every bit of propaganda Trump puts out

Repeated there as gospel. Censoring the press is good. News of Ice raids are a lie. The Deep State got rid of Flynn because he wasn't pro-war enough. It's idiocy and insanity taken to new levels. They make your average deplorable look sane.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I take that as an endorsement of Drumpf's war against Hispanics.

"... News of Ice raids are a lie..."

F them.

[BainsBane]

24. Yes

And the anti-Muslim stuff doesn't bother them in the least.

Though to be fair, there is a division between the Trump apologists and the ones who hate Trump and Hillary equally. Hillary, however, is the number one enemy, and they see themselves as readying to stop her mythical reascendency. It's sad actually. They've invested so much in hating Hillary, they don't know how to exist without her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. The latter group isn't nearly as offensive.

Wow, they support the Muslim ban and concomitant demonization.

That's terrible.

[mvd]

26. Not in the same way. But too much pro-Trump stuff is there

There are certain things about there and DU I do not like. But I have opinions that fit in both places, so I post in both. And I do not like to get into site bashing when we have Trump to contend with.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. There is nothing laudable about Trump, nothing.

I am about to start a new thread:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/opinion/sunday/trump-voters-your-savior-is-betraying-you.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0

How can anybody who isn't on the right laud him?

[mvd]

28. It's from a leftist frustrated, can't tolerate the Dems position. Not a rightist one

Still annoys me, though. You are right that there is NOTHING good about him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I understand the leftist critique of the Democratic party, but I don't see how that leads one...

I understand the leftist critique of the Democratic party, but I don't see how that leads one to laud Trump. It would be like not eating fast food because you believe it to be unhealthy and eating lead chips instead.

[mvd]

35. It's not right. It's like they need someone to fill the void..

because the Democrats let them down. But geez, it is self destructive and just makes me leave there when I see it. I could argue with them, but it would likely just get me insults.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. This is a snippet of a PM I had with a fellow member. Pertains to our conversation

Who does a Marxist support in our electoral system? BTW in theory I am a small c communist but what that means to me would require a long conversation.

-Me


It's a combination of incrementalism and spectator sport. Who is elected absolutely makes a difference each cycle but I have no illusions that the ruling classes do not severely limit the electoral choices. That, plus the lack of a revolutionary movement tilts me towards, if not improving things, stanching the bleeding. Either way, that too is a long conversation.

-My friend here

[mvd]

43. Yes that is interesting

I am sure some right wing trolls stir up trouble. But many of them really seem to have used their anger from feeling separated from the Democrats in unproductive ways instead.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. The DUer the site was named after would be horrified

at what it has become. He was a good guy. More about him here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6835347

[mvd]

30. True

I wonder if some can make a new site that would represent Bernie supporters without the pro-Trump stuff and non helpful ideas.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

38. I don't think there's much point in that at this time.

It would be too likely to relitigate the primaries, which would not be useful.

[mvd]

41. Well the more progressive sites, the better IMO

That one would be between DU and JPR.

[hrmjustin]

34. I have that same thought Everytime someone links to that site.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. Yes, it's sad.

JackpineRadical was an enthusiastic Bernie supporter but I don't remember seeing any posts by him that were extreme or angry regarding Hillary; he just promoted Bernie's platform in a positive way. I can't imagine that he'd have gone off the deep end with the likes of Susan Sarandon and Jill Stein. The current denizens of JPR are insulting his memory, IMO.

[hrmjustin]

39. You put it much better than I could.

He adored Bernie and was a solid Democratic voter. I just wish they had used a different name.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Hillary is the red herring here. Antipathy toward Hill shouldn't lead a leftist to laud Drumpf.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. *Nothing* should lead a leftist to do that.

I don't get any of that. Trump is somewhere to the right of Darth Vader; how can anyone who calls themselves "leftist" find common cause with him and his malign administration? His fawning over Putin doesn't mean he's at all "leftist." Putin himself isn't to the left of anybody either - he's not even a real Communist; he's an authoritarian oligarch - which seems to be Trump's career goal, too. Are some of those Trump-praising dingbats at JPR hoping that his excesses will eventually bring about The Revolution or something? I don't get it.

[bravenak]

33. Become?

It was born that way

[Behind the Aegis]

52. Alt-right, no.

This is the "horseshoe effect". While there are some good people and ideas, there are those who are as authoritarian as any right-winger. One thing they do share with the far-right: anti-Semitism. However, we also have a problem with it as well, and some are unwilling to purge them (the anti-Semites) from our ranks.

[ProfessorGAC]

55. Read A Couple Threads There

Alt-right, no? However, several high volume posters are close to certifiable.
The tortured logic is something else
When Manny seems like the sane one, you know they're around the bend

[NCTraveler]

60. There are some horrid elements within the fringe left.

JPR attracts the worst of those elements. We should be very honest about what they are. Economics only leftists. A truly horrid group of people. While they seem to be economics only they will be the first to call us anti-Muslim, bigots, racists, etc. They are mentally bankrupt.

[Gothmog]

61. It is a cite for russian fake news

[Danmel]

64. What is JPR?

[madokie]

75. I went there during our Outage

and have regretted it ever since.

I liked Jackpine Radical as a DU'r but not what the site is now

My suspension is he'd be spinning in his grave if he knew what is going on over there with his moniker as the name of the place.