Tom Perez: "We need to be looking at whether this election was rigged by Trump & his buddy Putin"

[kpete]

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[meow2u3]

1. Not only that, but we also have to investigate election rigging down ballot

Senatorial elections that should have gone for us went the other way--at the exact same time on Election Night. I smelled a major rat that night.

[babylonsister]

4. Feingold stuck with me; I couldn't believe he didn't win. nt

[dhill926]

7. my thought as well...

[triron]

14. I think you are getting warm!

[Botany]

19. Russia was way deep into Wisconsin

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/russians-suspected-hacking-wisconsin-dems/97023222/

[triron]

29. As to the technicalities of how to mess with election results:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11397113

[mythology]

39. Then why don't the results in counties that were hand counted versus machine counted

show any statistically significant differences? The conspiracy theories need to stop.

The State Journal review found more than 55 percent of the ballots were recounted by hand. The error rate was 0.44 percent in wards that conducted the recount by hand and 0.30 percent in wards that recounted by machine.

The difference in error rate between wards that Trump and Clinton won was negligible — 0.38 percent versus 0.37 percent.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/recount-found-thousands-of-errors-but-no-major-flaws-in/article_4ad0fe2a-40d8-5cce-8d84-f3e33469c8f1.html

There was no vote hacking. It's ludicrous that people are still making these unfounded allegations.

[Botany]

50. Where in my post did I say one word about vote hacking?

n/t

[uponit7771]

52. +1, people keep throwing up this strawman of vote hacking as if we're all stupid !!!!

[Botany]

55. As if giving one stat from the election doesn't change the fact the election(s) were dirty

Every newspaper in America came out for Hillary and against Trump

All the former Presidents and their families came out against Trump and for Hillary

The exit polls had HRC winning

Predictive models had HRC @ >90% chance of winning

The GOP had dropped support for Trump in the last two weeks of the race

In many states the early vote made it all but impossible for Trump to win.

********

The election was rigged ..... end of story.

[LaydeeBug]

56. and I *DO* mean **RIGGED**

and thank you for this. It's like *tonic* for my soul or something.

They really came after me for this...and I do mean *targeted*

[uponit7771]

58. +1, ... and the intel report SAYING the Russia involved themselves in the election on the side of

... Benedict Donald is enough to warrant to say the election is rigged.

The false bar of "we don't' know to the degree it helped" is bullshit, the fact they were involved in any tangible way at all = do-over !!!

[lagomorph777]

59. So Rupert Murdoch's WSJ took a look at one of the few states where recounts are actually possible.

WI apparently uses paper, as does my county. A large percentage of voters are not as fortunate as I.

[INdemo]

30. He had a 12 point lead then in a matter of days he was tied

I think it was in fact stolen.I still cant believe Trump won NC or PA or Ohio> Michigan is also questionable ..The recounts being denied in Michigan was a give away to certainly question fraud..

Other Senate races could also be called into question as well as some House races...

[triron]

32. They (Trumpskies) collaborated with the Russians

to get into power!

[LaydeeBug]

57. indeed they did. nt

[2naSalit]

42. That one bothered me too...nt

[Lucinda]

47. + eleventy billion

[calimary]

72. I can't believe it either.

STILL stunned by that.

[Amaryllis]

6. Same here. Same thing I saw in 2004. And results not matching exit polls again, just like

Kerry/Bush. They matched with Obama. People ask the wrong question when they ask why exit polls are off. The right question is why are the results off.

[mythology]

40. No, just no. Exit polls are riddled with flaws

https://www.thenation.com/article/reminder-exit-poll-conspiracy-theories-are-totally-baseless/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit/

Please stop posting unsubstantiated conspiracy nonsense.

[TheFrenchRazor]

45. fact: exit polls only became "riddled with flaws" after 2000. nt

[ElementaryPenguin]

63. BINGO!!!!!!!

[diane in sf]

75. You're absolutely correct, google 'red shift' if you want to see how bad it is.

When 95% of the vote count deviations from projections based on exit polls are in favor of the Republicans, you can be absolutely certain there is election fraud going on. One would expect that deviations would be equally divided between the two parties. This is an observed differing from expected statistical problem.

[uponit7771]

53. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! ... that was only after 2000 voter purging in Florida did EPs get flawed

[Amaryllis]

67. True what you said. Hartmann has spoken and written extensively on this and he is very carefull

about fact checking. If anyone wants to check this out, just look up Thom Hartmann and exit polls. Only after 2000 were they off. And in every election Pubs have won, there was Repub SOS pulling multiple shenanigans at the helm of the state that was the deciding point: FL in 2000, OH in 2004.

Then we have Kurt Kobach, KS SOS, mastermind behind Interstate Crosscheck, used to purge voter databases, which 30 states are now using. Oregon turned it down because the results were "not reliable." Check out a map of the states using Crosscheck and the states that went for Trump.

[uponit7771]

68. +1, the Russians can easily hack Crosscheck and there go the votes needed for dems to win

[Amaryllis]

69. And it was even reported in MSM BEFORE THE ELECTION that Russians hacked

Ill and AZ voter databases and attempted hacks into others. Plus I don't believe that if they did that, they stopped with just voter databases. And also it was reported in MSM that the Election Assistance Commission, a federal agency, was hacked.

[triron]

70. knr

[Achilleaze]

16. + 1,000

[uponit7771]

2. This needs to go to all read counties that flipped, a good percentage of them are wondering about

... Russia also.

[triron]

15. Interesting read about hacking elections

oops wrong site
Here is correct one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11397113

[uponit7771]

17. +1, the "they didn't hack the voting machines" meme is a distraction at best. They don't have to

... hack the voting machines and would be too risky

[sarah FAILIN]

28. flip the programmers

Flip the people programming what the voting machines are supposed to do, what 1+2 are supposed to equal. That is how you hack an election. You can make 1+2=6 if you know the right person.

The machines are not examined by anyone else because the owners/programmers forbid it. Wonder why...

[2naSalit]

43. Trade secret...

on how to rig an election, or several actually.

[TheFrenchRazor]

46. too risky? how precisely would a hacker be ID'd, caught, and sufficient evidence found to convict sa

said hacker, and all before election results are certified???? btw, this is not a rhetorical question.

[lagomorph777]

60. Until we have paper ballots and automatic audits and recounts EVERY TIME, it's all vapor.

and election results are whatever the powers that be, wnat them to be.

[KittyWampus]

3. what filter did they put Perez's photo through? It looks like he's covered in tiny ants.

[Luciferous]

10. Lol

[angstlessk]

11. You made me LOL...yes ants indeed...NOT a good photo fer sure!

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

13. I was thinking the same thing. LOL n/t

[Ligyron]

73. I've not seen a lot of pictures of the man and none that close up before

I was thinking, "That poor man..."

[msongs]

5. He needs to figure how dems lost thousands of seats since 2008 and getting

Those seats back

[VelvetPetals]

12. I was watching msnbc Steve Kornacki election night

it was about 8-8:30ish and Hillary was doing what the polls showed she would
when all of a sudden the numbers changed in a flash and I knew...the fix was in.
The next night or maybe 2 nights later, I was watching Kornacki showing the
numbers and he said the numbers were there for Hillary and then around 8:30,
everything changed. Yeah, they stole it... and I felt like it was 2000 all over again.

[TheFrenchRazor]

48. pretty much. nt

[Talk Is Cheap]

8. Keep up the good work Mr. Perez...

You could make that a priority as the new DNC chair!

[delisen]

9. The right tone and the right perspective. Unvarnished truth. This is encouraging nt

[LaydeeBug]

18. Down ballot too...my GOSH, I can't believe how many people came after me for saying this

like a consorted effort to "make me prove it"..the *constant* derision and snide remarks.

NOW THAT OUR PARTY'S HEAD HAS SAID IT, IS IT OKAY TO SAY IT HERE NOW????

Because Russia's HACKING into our ELECTION (and NOT just the fucking voter files) is the biggest story of our lifetime.

[Honeycombe8]

24. Same here. I thought I was expressing my opinion....

I thought I was just expressing my opinion the night of the election, when I said I didn't think Trump had really won all those states, in light of ALL but one poll showing a significant lead by HRC. Just as a matter of common sense...I thought it was at least possible something had been done. Never before since polls have been done have we seen almost all of them so completely wrong....wrong by a LOT.

But I was beaten up for saying that. I thought it was just common sense to have that discussion. What are the odds that all but one poll was way out of whack?

Is that un-American thinking that? I didn't think so. It's not sour grapes. I can accept loss. But that was just so bizarre...it seemed something was wrong.

[LaydeeBug]

35. we are in the same boat to be sure...Funny how I don't see them here now

swearing Meredith McIver was real....

DU isn't big enough for a Russian hack, yadda, yadda, yadda.

[Honeycombe8]

76. I also thought killing DU on election day was not a coincidence.

Was it Russian? I don't know. Maybe. But at least someone on the right, I thought, so that people couldn't remind people to get to the polls, polling places had changed, or anything of that sort. DU is probably the biggest Democratic forum.

I mean....DUH! You don't have to be Einstein to figure that one out.

[LaydeeBug]

79. I think there was a coordinated effort on many fronts...

and unless we start addressing it...Choice Point and all of it, we are going to be subjected to the same shit again.

It is no secret that they are fudging numbers. Look at how they insist their rallies are as big or bigger than ours.
We can't get gaslighted.

[triron]

37. Not only the pre-election polls you cite

but more significantly (I think) the exit polls done the day of the election.
24 out of 28 done for selected states had tabulated vs exit poll results which trended for Trump!
Chances of that happening were less than 1 in 13000.

[mythology]

41. Yeah evidence doesn't matter. Outrage is all that matters

There is no proof because claims of voter fraud and vote hacking are utter nonsense. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat an unverified claim that has a mountain of evidence against it, it's still not true. I'm sorry if you don't like people calling you on it, but too bad. I see people posting blatant falsehoods, I'm perfectly justified in pointing it out and will continue to do so.

[TheFrenchRazor]

49. you have NO evidence that it WASN'T hacked, because, oh yeah, the votes are invisible, and

there was NO *statewide* HAND/EYE recount in any of the states in question. selected recounts don't mean a thing, because to start with, an intelligent hacker who was shifting votes to Trump, would quite likely choose to make the largest adjustments in 1. areas where due to republican control, or local regulations, a meaningful recount will never happen, and 2. large precincts where even a small percentage of vote theft will create a large # of votes. the margin of error in the states in question was miniscule, so it wouldn't take very much. secondly, even some of the "hand recounts" that are done are very limited and imperfect.

[Honeycombe8]

78. Yes, that could be done. Could. Not necessarily that it did happen.

But having the discussion of the possibility of it is important, IMO.

[Honeycombe8]

77. It's the discussion that's important.

Not a claim of definite hacking. But a discussion of the POSSIBILITY of interference. It's just common sense. Not being a bad loser.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that something was amiss. We now know that Russia did the hacking of the DNC and did try to influence the election.

You can't figure out what happened, if you don't have the discussion in the first place. That is very different from claiming that Russia did in fact hack voting machines....which I didn't see or hear anyone say. But the POSSIBILITY of it should be considered....and is being considered by the govt.

A warning went out to some voting districts, asking them to take extra care during the election. Because of the possibility of hacking. Not that it did happen.

There should be freedom to have an open discussion of...what are the odds that 13 polls are wrong, and a lot wrong, for the very first time in history since polls have been done? At a time when Russia is suspected of trying to influence the election and it's known he wants Trump in? When we know that Putin has done that in two other countries? That does not mean he did it here. But not to have those questions asked is not the right approach, in my view. That's hiding one's head in the sand.

Believe me, the govt is investigating the possibility. POSSIBILITY.

[Botany]

20. I like the cut his jib.

Never let up .... not one minute of peace.

[Percy Cholmondeley]

21. Finally, somebody is talking about it

Of course, Trump bragged about it in advance, which is something he likes to do - brag about things he's getting away with and noone can do anything about. Remember when he said, as the "election" approached, "Don't pay any attention to the polls, the polls are purposefully wrong"? That was a boast. And it wasn't an election, it was a corporate coup. Polls live or die by their credibility. Either the polls lied, or Trump did. "You tell me", as the 70-year-old blond likes to say.

[videohead5]

22. I believe

The Democrats were going to take the senate and Hillary was going to be president up until Comey sent that letter.

[zanana1]

51. Exactly.

I couldn't believe it when Comey came out and said that they had discovered more Hillary emails a week before the election.
The director of the FBI was in cahoots with Trump and his buddies.
I think this goes much deeper than we realized.

[videohead5]

64. And Remember

Huma said she had no idea how those e-mails got on her ex-husbands laptop.either she forgot or they were planted.some people believed they were planted on that laptop by Russia.the laptop had been hacked.

[uponit7771]

54. Same, Comey is a bastard

[NewJeffCT]

65. 100% agree with you

Before the Comey letter, Clinton had just crushed Trump in the 3rd debate and the ABC News tracking poll had her over the important 50% threshold, while Trump was below 40% - I think it was 51-38%? The day after the letter comes out, the tracking poll tanked and Trump surged to a 44-43% lead, a flip of 14 points in one day! Without that letter, Clinton likely would have continued to climb in the polls and all those Trump voters that decided in the last week would have either stayed home or voted 3rd party (and, maybe a few vote Clinton).

While Clinton ended up recovering a small lead in the ABC news poll, she never came anywhere close to that 13 point lead.

Somewhere around 10-12% of the electorate decided in the last week and around 75% of them voted for Trump. Just doing the math, that means around 13-14 million decided after the Comey letter came out and 75% of them voted Trump, or 9.5 to 10 million. Let's say that without that letter, conservatively, those 13-14 million split 50-50. That means Trump would have gotten 3 million fewer votes overall, or 6.5 to 7 million.

Those extra votes swing MI, PA and WI to Clinton, as well as FL and NC. Possibly Arizona as well.

[BadgerMom]

23. Thank God!

[samnsara]

25. loving him more n more

[iluvtennis]

31. Agree and like his comebacks to drumpf on twitter regarding Tom being DNC chair..priceless

[blueseas]

26. Music to my ears

Now let's see some tracks....

[Thinkingabout]

27. Perez is ready to go to work, we have lots to accomplish, United we can get on

Winning side.

[AgadorSparticus]

33. This!!!!!

[oasis]

34. ImWithTom.

[bdamomma]

36. Let's get to work

now to get our country back from these mobsters and putin

[Hekate]

38. Yessir!

Now we're talking.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

44. Investigate,

follow the money.

[flamingdem]

61. I like this guy

[BSdetect]

62. I hope Tom has read this article

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[MontanaMama]

66. Uh yeah...

Putin was the decider in more than the Presidential election. It worked out so well for him that they are already hacking and wire tapping in preparation for 2018 without a doubt, count on it.

[LaydeeBug]

71. shameless kick nt

[Rex]

74. Don't forget about Rudy/Comey and his buddies at the FBI!

The Russians I can understand...but OUR FBI?

REALLY?

Have Ellison look into what Rudy and his buddies at the FBI knew and when they knew it.

[triron]

80. knr

[triron]

81. keep on front burner!!

[triron]

82. knr