Oscars. Kimmel - "Black people saved NASA and white people saved jazz"

[underpants]

Hidden Figures
LaLa Land

[bdamomma]

1. He came with some

whacks to 45.

[DavidDvorkin]

2. As a white, male engineer who worked on Apollo missions

along with tens or hundreds of thousands of other while male engineers, I can't tell you how offensive and dismissive of our work that is.

[HoneyBadger]

3. I am sure that some black jazz musicians feel the same way

[DavidDvorkin]

8. I'm sure they do, understandably

But that's not relevant to what I posted.

[onecaliberal]

4. I'm sure the black women completely omitted from the true story for decades was

Pretty offensive as well.

[DavidDvorkin]

6. Don't believe everything you see in movies.

[still_one]

12. Rosalind Elsie Franklin, while not African American, was conveniently ignored when crick and watson

got all the credit

[DavidDvorkin]

38. Yes, and that was outrageous

But irrelevant.

[onecaliberal]

20. I don't but I believe facts. I stand by my statement

[uponit7771]

23. wow... really?

[malaise]

10. +1,000 n/t

[angstlessk]

5. Wow, you ARE sensitive...like YOU haven't gotten ALL the accolades till one movie shows

you had help from BLACK WOMEN!

[DavidDvorkin]

7. Sorry, but that's not the case

Don't be too quick to believe that that movie is history.

[angstlessk]

14. SO only white me are smart enough to be mathematicians and scientists?

and black women, IF history shows them as being EQUAL to white men...it MUST be fiction?

[DavidDvorkin]

37. What a foolish response

I said nothing of the sort. I talked only of what I observed to true and experienced during a certain period.

[angstlessk]

39. So you admit YOU are foolish cause you were not there to verify their existence?

[DavidDvorkin]

44. I claimed only to know what I actually know about from experience, and

I was responding to Kimmel's absurd joke.

[angstlessk]

46. A fucking joke...you got more mileage than Kimmel did out of his joke!

Are YOU joking?

[DavidDvorkin]

49. Not at all.

[angstlessk]

50. SO YOU know the history of NASA cause you worked there once? OR MAYBE NOT?

You are anonymous...so how do I know you even worked there?

[DavidDvorkin]

53. Here

http://www.collectspace.com/resources/tindallgrams/tindallgrams01.pdf
Page 127

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/flight_controller_assigns.pdf
Page 191

[angstlessk]

54. Your PDF's prove no black women worked for NASA?

I ain't downloading stuff from an unknown entity....sorry!

[DavidDvorkin]

55. No, they prove that I worked there

Nowhere did I say that no black women worked for NASA.

[yardwork]

58. Actually you did. And that's been proven false right here.

[DavidDvorkin]

60. Where did I say that?

[kcr]

65. You aren't? You sure are heavily implying it.

Because that's exactly how I'm reading your I-Was-There! posts in this thread, too.

[still_one]

17. What about this

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/when-the-computer-wore-a-skirt-langley-s-computers-1935-1970

So are you saying Margot Lee Sheerly made it all up?

[DavidDvorkin]

36. It's irrelevant to what I said

I started at NASA in Houston in 1967. That's where the mathematical work for Apollo was done. It was done using computers, and the engineers who did that work were almost entirely white men.

[angstlessk]

47. ALMOST ENTIRELY...which you interpret as ENTIRELY white males!

[DavidDvorkin]

48. Did I say entirely?

No, I said almost entirely, which is the fact.

[phylny]

21. If it makes you feel better, there were lots of white men in the movie.

The movie about African American women and their contribution to NASA.

[sinkingfeeling]

22. So you were an engineer with NASA back in 1961?

[DavidDvorkin]

34. No, Apollo

I'm referring only to the Apollo program.

[yardwork]

59. That's not relevant to the film. Wow. Unbelievable.

[yardwork]

30. What.

Are you saying that the movie is a lie. That ONLY white men worked for NASA?

[DavidDvorkin]

35. I'm saying that during Apollo

At the Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston, where I worked and where the missions were planned and the detail mission work was done, the people who did the misison planning and analysis were overwhelmingly white and male -- not exclusively, but very close.

[erpowers]

41. Movie Not about Houston; Its About Virginia

You really should have read the book, watched the movie, or learned what the movie was actually about before making you comments. This movie is not about Houston and does not center around the Apollo mission. The movie is about the events that took place at the Langley Research Center located in Hampton, Virginia. In addition, although Katherine Johnson's contributions to Apollo 11 and Apollo 13 were mentioned at the end of the movie, this movie mainly focuses on the Mercury mission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Figures

[DavidDvorkin]

45. Kimmel's unpleasant joke was general

And I was responding to his joke.

[roscoeroscoe]

61. Sir, all due respect and appreciation,

Can a joke just be a joke? I hope you can see there's nothing lost with a light-hearted joke

(From one space but to another)

[erpowers]

62. Then You Made It About Houston and Apollo

I was responding to you post stating that you worked in Houston on the Apollo mission. In previous posts you pretty much so claimed the movie was a lie. You then used your Houston and Apollo experience as proof that the movie was false. I provided information to prove that the movie was actually based on facts. The movie was about Virginia and Mercury; not Houston and Apollo.

In addition, what Jimmy Kimmel said was a joke. Clearly, Jimmy Kimmel and everyone watching the Oscars knew that white men had played a major role in getting the American space program started. He was pointing out and making fun of stereotypes being broken. Most Americans do not expect to see black people playing roles as scientists and engineers. Most people would not expect to see white people playing roles in which give major contributions to Jazz.

[erpowers]

43. More Information

Did Katherine Johnson really compute John Glenn's trajectory?
Yes. "When John Glenn was to be the first astronaut to go up into the atmosphere and come back, and they wanted him to come back in a special place, and that was what I did, I computed his trajectory," says Katherine Johnson. "From then on, any time they were going to compute trajectories, they were given mostly, all of them to my branch, and I did most of the work on those by hand." -WHROTV Katherine Johnson Interview


Did John Glenn really ask that Katherine double-check the electronic computer's calculations for his first Earth orbit?
Yes. Fact-checking the Hidden Figures movie confirmed that John Glenn personally requested that Katherine recheck the electronic computer's calculations for his February 1962 flight aboard the Mercury-Atlas 6 capsule Friendship 7—the NASA mission that concluded with him becoming the first American to orbit the Earth. The scene in the movie unfolded in almost exactly the same way it does in real life, with Glenn's request for Katherine taken nearly verbatim from the transcripts. He even refers to her as "the girl." "Get the girl to check the numbers... If she says the numbers are good... I'm ready to go." -NASA

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/hidden-figures/

[Docreed2003]

52. Thank you....came to post this same info...

[erpowers]

63. You Are Welcome

During the promotion of the film Hidden Figures, I heard that John Glenn had asked for Katherine Johnson to do the calculations for his flight into space. I thought if I could find that information and post it in this discussion that information would give more weight to the argument that Hidden Figures was based on fact.

[bravenak]

51. Please stop, it would help

Let's just realize that black women are almost ignored for their contributions and allow a joke to pass. We both know white men are ALWAYS recognized for their achievements. Let us have this.

[Warren DeMontague]

11. I'm sure you realize, then, that the general public's understanding of things like science, sucks.

I'm thrilled these women are getting long-overdue credit. I don't think it detracts from anyone's accomplishments, personally.

Anyone with a brain who actually pays attention understands that the moon landings were pulled off by the incredible effort of hundreds of thousands of people.

Unfortunately most people in this country think the Earth is flat and the moon is a round piece of wood behind which Jesus keeps his hats.

[angstlessk]

15. LMFAO! We KNOW where Jesus keeps his hat...you.....???? atheist you!

[marlakay]

26. Perfect comment Warren

I agree totally!

[rzemanfl]

29. I am stealing this-

"Unfortunately most people in this country think the Earth is flat and the moon is a round piece of wood behind which Jesus keeps his hats. We live in a fascist kleptocracy, so tough beans. I will reconsider if you PM me the copyright.

Brilliant line.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. That's fine. Enjoy.

[yardwork]

31. Excellent point.

[TDale313]

13. Oh ffs!!!

Seriously, you're pissed that these women are getting some long-overdue attention/credit?

[identify]

16. You'll be alright.

Try to cope somehow tonite.

[wcast]

19. The role of the tens and hundreds of thousands of white male Engineers has been known for 50 years.

Yet only now are the black women who played a vital role in the program receiving mainstream attention. Why are you feeling offended and dismissed over a quote when you have been recognized for 50 years? Our history is white washed to the point that, without feel good movies, most people would be unaware of all the history that is untold due to the fact that it wasn't about white males.

[onecaliberal]

24. What Wcast said!

[babylonsister]

28. Thank you and yes! nt

[Tree-Hugger]

27. This is new information

Thank you for your post. Until I read it, I had no idea there were ever any scientific accomplishments by white men. White men involved with Apollo you say? Wow! That information has been kept in the dark for decades. Thank you so much for bringing this to white....I mean light.

[yardwork]

32. ....

[AgadorSparticus]

42. +1,000!!!

[msanthrope]

33. I'm sure your government pension and health care assuages the butthurt. nt

[Beartracks]

56. Thanks for your contributions to space exploration!

Reflects a time when our country had higher aspirations.



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[DavidDvorkin]

57. Thank you!

That's a nice response.

[LanternWaste]

64. Your oppression and removal from the historical record is duly noted.

Your oppression and removal from the historical record is duly noted.

[Javaman]

9. Trumps fingers are going burst into flames lol nt

[angstlessk]

18. Well, we have someone here preempting his twitter!

[onecaliberal]

25. Lol, indeed