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I served in the Navy during the Viet Nam War era. I was fortunate and never got called to go there. In the process of serving and then getting separated and, ultimately, discharged after serving in the Navy Reserve, I got this for my time and service.
The National Defense Ribbon. Not only did I get one. So did every other person who served. Once out of boot camp, they gave you the medal. No heroics involved.
So anyway, apart from the satisfaction of having served, this is a medal pretty much no one gives a shit about.
In my state, you can get vanity plates with anything on them. You can get plates with the Bronze Star and Purple Heart on them. BUT . . . . . you gotta prove you DESERVE to display those plates.
With all of that as background, here's the stolen valor question. A friend of mine, the wife of my very close friend who died about 5 years ago, has a new boyfriend. While we moved away a few years back, we still stay in touch and see each other frequently. She warned us this new boyfriend would be a Trump voter (she is a Democrat and voted for Hillary). After the election I flew my American flag upside down. I *always* fly the flag. Some time later, when they came over, the flag was flying upside down. The next day she called me. Seems the boyfriend has her convinced he was in Viet Nam. Now he tells her that he helped rescue some buddies who used the upside down flag for its intended purpose as a distress signal. Seeing my flag gave him flashbacks. She said.
Would I please take the flag down to protect the new boyfriend's well being.
But you see, here's the thing (the fundamental, pathetic, transparent bullshittiness of the buddy rescue story notwithstanding), on his car he has a vanity plate. This one:
It defies logic that a Viet Nam vet - one who claims to be an actual COMBAT vet - would opt for that plate instead of the one with the Vietnam Service Medal on it. That one actually means something and, I am sure is displayed proudly by those authorized to display it.
But no. "Audie Murphy" has the bullshit medal on his plate.
So wuddaya think? Combat vet or BULLSHITTER?
In my view, there are few forms of moral bankruptcy that exceed stolen valor.
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)jmowreader
(50,555 posts)In my state you have to take your DD 214 to Vehicle Licensing to get any of the veteran plates. They go through it to figure out what you're entitled to have on your plate (we have different plates for Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Marines, and each service can have Veteran, Afghanistan/Iraq Veteran, Korea Veteran, Persian Gulf Veteran, Vietnam Veteran or World War II Veteran)...if you were in the Marines for World War II then reenlisted in the Army when the Korean War broke out, you can get Veteran for either service, Marine WWII vet or Army Korean Conflict vet. You can also get it personalized...if you want your plate to say GCANAL or OLDBALDY instead of XYZ123, they can do it. Only when you order your plate do they make it.
So yeah, it does seem more than slightly strange that someone who was actually in-country would choose a REMF plate.
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)get it?
Oh, while I was trying to find a large photo of the of the Vietnam Service Medal licence plate, and failed, I discovered if I take my DD 214 down to my county Veterans outfit and plunk down five bucks, they will issue me an authorized form to have the DMV insert 'veteran' into my drivers licence. I'm toying with the idea of doing it, seeing how you can get free donuts all over the place on Veterans Day. Mmmm donuts!
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)If you're in a conversation with him, a quick way of cutting through the bs is ask him where he served and with what units. It's pretty easy to tell either from the way he answers or by researching the answer he gives you whether his story is believable. I find it hard to believe that if he has served in Vietnam he would chose the NDSM plate over the Vietnam vet plate. I guess I'm an eternal skeptic but I immediately distrust someone who goes around telling overthetop war stories. That's just me and my cynicism. (OEF Vet)
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)Dude has a genuine NDSM plate. I'm just saying.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)I'm just saying it's strange to me that a veteran of Vietnam, with apparent valorous accolades, would chose the NDSM plate, over a plate recognizing his combat service.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)For someone who actually did serve during a wartime military but didn't deploy to combat areas to "embellish" their service. Like I said early, most of these are easy to see through once you start asking details.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)The guy's story of rescuing troops who used the flag as a distress signal. It was also told in connection with a claim of seeing an upside-down flag and having flashbacks. I wonder if your friend's bf saw that story on the net as I did. I think it's still floating around Facebook.
The NDSM plate is really weird. I have a vet plate and it's not the NDSM. I don't know any Vietnam vet who would select that over an in-country medal.
I can't say it's BS, but color me extremely skeptical.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Pretty smart if you ask me. What we did to that poor country is horrible.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Old Vet
(2,001 posts)All soldiers who were in the military during combat actions were awarded the NSDM. If this is the only ribbon he was awarded he was NOT in-country Vietnam. Hes considered a Vietnam Era Veteran.
Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's most convenient to accept at face value that which validates our beliefs. And when contrasted to that which we automatically discount in our posts, becomes a rather accurate illustration of our bias and narrative.
oasis
(49,376 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It only applies to certain specified periods since then.
oasis
(49,376 posts)the time when the medal was created, doesn't matter to him.
2naSalit
(86,559 posts)and it was before Vietnam. That one's been around since before the Korean (not declared) War. My dad was anal about the flag, not that I don't respect it, I do. I also am showing an inverted flag as my avatar for a valid reason. I was raised with the military and my dad used to tell us that story as his parable for why we should never fly an inverted flag.
Tell you what, that tale is so old, it has a rind on it. I think he's a BSer.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I didn't know the story was that old but I've seen it around FB lately.
2naSalit
(86,559 posts)I don't do social media but I know a rehash when I see one. That was one tale we heard often when my dad was having his PTSD events. Yeah, it's been around a while. My dad was a "story-teller" another tattle-tale sign. Although, my dad really was in action quite a bit and we heard all about that too.
And I don't know any Vietnam vet who has vanity plates who wouldn't have the "in country" medal emblem either. Sounds like someone who made it through boot camp and had to make up the rest to be interesting, which is kind of sad. Oh well.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)But nooooooo. It's always the flag, lol.
2naSalit
(86,559 posts)carried one on their person at all times just in case of trouble, flares might be too risky... I dunno.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)The call always came on the radio. I was seriously wounded by AK fire on the last of those rescue ops, but my platoon finished the mission. They destroyed the NVA surrounding a squad trapped on a hill and got the U.S. casualties evacuated. For the guys on that hill, I don't think a flag silently hanging would have achieved the same result.
I can't begin to tell you how long I struggled, decades later, to decide what to put on my license plate--The NDSM or the Purple Heart.
2naSalit
(86,559 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)All you had to do was make it through boot camp.
(USN 65 - 69)
Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)Following the advice of those who went before me, I volunteered to be a compartment cleaner. While the rest of the company was drilling, we were warm, cleaning, mopping, coking and smoking. Life was good!
madokie
(51,076 posts)company 504
Went back to boot as an Adjutant, ie Company Commanders aid. Pushing new recruits. From there to S.E.R.E. school upon graduating stayed for a tour of duty there. From there to Naval Air Facility, Cahm Rahn Bay, Vietnam. In country from mid june of '69 until early-mid Oct. '70. Came home for a free leave in August of '70 because I had extended in Vietnam so I actually spent 15 months and a few days in-country Vietnam.
It took me all of a few days, a week or so at most to realize what we were doing there was as Wrong as Wrong can be. I was stuck so I had to make the most of it. I still carry the weight of the War on my shoulders and always will.
Peace
NBachers
(17,107 posts)roscoeroscoe
(1,370 posts)I agree with another post, just give him the old 'so where did you serve' chat, you know
I was in the Mekong, where were you?
In my case, I had a cop who pulled me over for speeding just give me a warning 'cause he served just down the road at Mosul
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)You will not get everything, but what is publicly releasable is enlistment and discharge dates, places and times of assignments, awards and rank at discharge.
Enough to tell if he is BS'ing.
There are also websites that will do if if you send them his info with evidence of his claims like social media screenshots, pictures of him wearing, stickers on cars etc. But he warned, most are not very liberal sites ( but they will bust anyone without regard to politics). One even has a weekly post dedicated to the most outrageous or stupid things they think they see in here.
HAB911
(8,888 posts)unless he has a ready made story.......or he actually served, his reaction could tell the tale
HAB911
(8,888 posts)I used to get an employee discount with VZ before retirement, but I just found this discount recently:
https://devices.verizonwireless.com/content/vzw-eStore/military-veterans.html
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)No medal for us
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)the USAF Expert Marksman award. I qualified for that one, too, the one and only time I fired an M-16 in four years of service.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Should totally get a license plate for that one!
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)I was totally pissed with the Army for not issuing me one until I discovered draftees can't earn one.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I believe it was normally awarded to all enlisted personnel who had no disqualifying disciplinary actions upon completion of 1 year of enlisted service (officers are not eligible for that award). If you were eligible and didn't receive it, the Army will be happy to correct the oversight and award you the medal if you apply.
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Someone separated with at least 1 year but less than 3 years enlisted service is eligible.
I had completed 13 months enlisted service when I graduated Infantry OCS. I was separated from enlisted service at that time and sworn in to a new 2-year term of commissioned service. I was awarded the GCM under the minimum 1/under 3 criterion.
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)and it looks like....they credited your total time toward toward your GCM.
An AUS flunky with two years, ten days, active duty doesn't qualify.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)If you see an officer wearing the medal, it means he or she had at least a year of enlisted service. In my OCS company we had a couple of NCOs (E-6 and E-7) and even a Warrant Officer who was a chopper pilot.
I ended up being held 16 months beyond my ETS date because I was still hospitalized. So my original bright idea of getting drafted so I could get out in 2 ended up being stretched to a few weeks shy of 4-1/2 years.
I'm no expert, but as you were separated with more than 1 yr but under 3, it looks like that qualifies you for the Good Conduct Medal.
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)Still, you'd think the letter of commendation in my file would have counted for something. FTA
That being said, I inherited my Pop's Ruptured Duck, and I put a lot of stock in it.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Then, as he is walking down the drive turn it back.
You just never know the true reasoning behind these things. Sometimes it is more safe for people to lie to themselves. Ask him directly about the plate and what it means to him.
Outside of that, sounds like a snowflake.
Thank you for your service.
jack69
(163 posts)Only between 1-2 million actually were.
A guy at work always talked about his Marine escapades in Nam. He was more than 10 years younger than me, so I never said anything, but was skeptical. I came home in Sep 1971, at the age of 25. In 1972, things wound down, in 1973 every American left except for a few embassy guards, etc. Of course, in 1975 it was over for all.
My point is, that in 1971 he would have been 15 and 19 by the time it was all over. Maybe giving him time to be an embassy guard, but not out in the field.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)asks veterans to stand up. I almost never do that. I'm a Vietnam era veteran, but I was never anywhere near Vietnam. I joined the USAF because I didn't want to go there. That was my choice. So, I keep my seat and let others stand up. Some of them actually are Vietnam vets. They deserve to be recognized. They didn't ask to go there, most of them.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)From what others have said here, it seems like a rehashed story and likely he's just full of it.
Pretty low.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Did he know that you served? I don't like questioning one's service but he has a strike against him and that upside down flag triggering excuse has been used to death.
As to your question about the vanity license. I can see someone electing to select just the service plates. Some people are proud of their service but don't necessarily want to go into the details.
Berlin Vet
(95 posts)There are sites like "thisainthell.us" that expose military fakes (and probably worse) military people that embellish their own service. The 1973 fire at the National Personnel Records Center enabled many a poser to claim service they didn't have or to claim decorations they never earned. One guy claimed he landed in Normandy on D-Day with the 29th Division. He told audiences of his landing on the beach and his description was similar to the scene in Saving Private Ryan. He was decorated by the French government with the Legion of Honor for his World War two service. It was hard to prove/disprove since his records were in the fire but he was exposed when his name and serial number was found in daily reports from a unit stationed in Nebraska. Not only was he not at D-Day, he was getting married in West Virginia in June 1944.
I agree with someone who said combat vets don't normally talk about the actions they were in. A friend of the family served with the 2nd Infantry Division from D-Day to the end of the war. Never talked about the combat just the funny things that happened.
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Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)We spent a little time in this man's company yesterday. In the course of conversation, he told me he didn't know where his DD214 was.
Remember that whole thing with Little Boots when his couldn't be found?
Asking again of any vets of any era reading this: Do You Know Where Your DD214 is?
Mine is in a safe deposit box.