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Robert Reich
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Trump's address to Congress this evening was chock full of lies. Here's a sample:
1."Obamacare premiums nationwide have increased by double and triple digits," Trump said, citing a 116 percent increase in Arizona as an example.
Wrong. Most people get their health care through the employer, and those premiums haven't spiked by nearly this amount. And for many people on the health care exchanges, federal subsidies are offsetting premium increases. Overall premium increases were actually faster under President George W. Bush than under President Barack Obama.
2. Weve defended the borders of other nations, while leaving our own borders wide open, for anyone to cross and for drugs to pour in at a now unprecedented rate.
Wrong. The data are mixed on the amount of drugs coming through the borders, but illegal immigration flows across the Southern border in fiscal 2015 were at the lowest levels since 1972, except for in 2011.
3. Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Softbank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, have announced that they will invest billions of dollars in the United States and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs.
Rubbish. Trump is taking credit for business decisions made before his election.
4. As we speak, we are removing gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our citizens. Bad ones are going out as I speak and as I have promised throughout the campaign.
More rubbish. About a quarter of the arrests that grabbed headlines in early February were of people who had lesser charges and noncriminal convictions. According to anecdotes of recent arrests, undocumented people with traffic violations were subject to arrest.
5. By finally enforcing our immigration laws we will raise wages, help the unemployed, save billions and billions of dollars and make our communities safer for everyone.
Baloney. Research shows noncitizens are less prone to criminality than U.S.-born citizens. The vast majority of unauthorized immigrants are not criminal aliens or aggravated felons. And theres no evidence that reducing immigration saves America any money at all.
6. Millions lifted from welfare to work is not too much to expect.
More rubbish. Participation has declined sharply in means-tested programs such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as food stamps).
7. Ninety-four million Americans are out of the labor force.
Wrong. Most of the people who are out of the labor force are retired, students, in jail, stay-at-home parents, or disabled.
They arent looking for work. Only about a quarter of the approximately 90 million people officially listed as being out of the labor force are able to get back in the job hunt if labor-market conditions were to improve.
8. "Right now, American companies are taxed at one of the highest rates anywhere in the world."
Rubbish. The official tax rate doesnt reflect all the deductions and tax credits. When they're figured in, American corporations pay about the same effective tax rates as companies in other nations.
9. America has spent approximately $6 trillion in the Middle East, all this while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With this $6 trillion we could have rebuilt our country twice.
Wildly wrong. The wars in Iraq (in the Middle East) and Afghanistan (in South Asia) together cost about $1.6 trillion from 2001 to 2014. Trumps $6 trillion-figure includes estimates of future spending -- much of which Trump himself plans to spend.
10. The murder rate in 2015 experienced its largest single-year increase in nearly half a century. In Chicago, more than 4,000 people were shot last year alone and the murder rate so far this year has been even higher. This is not acceptable in our society.
Wrong again. Overall violent crime is on a decades-long decline, since the height of the crack cocaine epidemic in the early 1990s.
11. Jamiels 17-year-old son was viciously murdered by an illegal immigrant gang member, who had just been released from prison. Jamiel Shaw Jr. was an incredible young man, with unlimited potential who was getting ready to go to college where he would have excelled as a great quarterback. But he never got the chance. His father, who is in the audience tonight, has become a good friend of mine.
Anecdotes dont prove anything. U.S. Sentencing Commission data show homicides are a small percentage of the crimes committed by noncitizens, whether they are in the United States illegally or not.
12. I can tell you the money is pouring in. Very nice.
Trump ad-libbed this line after mentioning that he was pressing NATO allies in very frank and strong discussions to meet their financial obligations to the alliance. But his point is nonsense. NATO allies were already increasing their military spending before Trump was elected. And the money is not pouring into the United States or even to NATO anyway; it's money countries would spend to bolster their own military.
Trump tells lies the way most people breathe. They come so naturally to him that he can't stop. But his lies undermine our democracy because, told over and over, they begin to sound truthful. As a result, Americans support policies that are wrong or nonsensical.
What do you think?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,984 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Probably higher now and does he still have no day without a lie?
mdbl
(4,973 posts)She used to repeat the lies on a daily basis. Now we have to rely on trump tweets.
raccoon
(31,106 posts)Just like somebody from 1930s Germany.
benfranklin1776
(6,443 posts)Tell the lie loud enough and long enough and people believe it as the truth. Particularly effective when you defund public education and wage war on the press.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)tRump IS creating jobs. He is having a helicopter pad built on his place in Florida. Now every weekend, taxpayers will foot the bill for a helicopter to fly down there to transport him from the airport to Mar-A-Lago, avoiding those pesky protesters. Time to draft a bill limiting the personal expenses for a president and family members. This tRump crew will bankrupt the country in no time. He has already spent more in a few weeks than the Obamas did in a year.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)1. The premiums have gone up for those who are covered by the ACA. The fact that most people are covered by employer plans does not really contradict that. Also, employer plans have become more expensive for employees as well. The ACA does need reform - even Obama would say so. It's just that Trump and company have on idea or workable plan. Perhaps time to consider single payer.
3. The statement is true - even though Trump taking credit is stupid.
7. Again, the statement is true (although deceptive).
10. The statement is not wrong. The murder rate did surge in 2015.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)That number includes people who are not actively looking for work - including students, the disabled, the retired, and stay-at-home parents. That kind of deception counts as a lie, IMO.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)really is. It's just another obnoxious dumb Trump lie.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But in the piece, he uses the word "wrong" with reference to the statistic. I think it is more effective if he had written - "true - but deceptive" and then went on to explain the points that you just made.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Or at least started negotiations from that starting point. I think we gave the other side a legitimate issue to gripe about.
Cha
(297,027 posts)Thank you, babylonsister
bucolic_frolic
(43,111 posts)are Trump's program.
Stimulating a robust economy is looney.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)He lies all of the time
FDT.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Orrex
(63,185 posts)as they're giving to their fawning insistence that Herr Trump "looked presidential."
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)The handlers have instructed their vanity presses well. "I don't care if he eats a baby on live TV, you WILL kowtow, stay the course and make Repubs and rich folks look HEROIC, BY GOD!!!"
shawnivan110
(11 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Its truly sickening.
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dalton99a
(81,426 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts).....why all Dem leaders aren't making these points pro-actively. And not in pundit-speak. But with kitchen-table clarity.
T is a good salesman to the middle of the curve. Makes them feel, regarded, cared for. Safe. Uggh. It appalls me but it's the truth.
Dems need to listen to Lakoff and learn how better to connect---telling it like it is about his lies, about their own policies etc.
Reich is mostly read only by the choir. This is a problem. We're way too polite and dispassionate.
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)My employer-provided health care coverage has in fact gone up double digits for the last 4 years. JUST to cover myself and my wife, it costs OVER $14,000 A YEAR, counting both what I pay in and what my employer pays in. That is beyond the pale of what we should be paying.
And for what?
Shitty, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays.
So, you know what? I have two words for the Republicans concerning what to replace the ACA for if they decide to repeal it.
SINGLE
PAYER
Medicare for ALL Americans.
Hey, I've got a GREAT idea! Take the $84 billion you were going to use to bloat up our already hugely powerful military and instead PUT IT INTO SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE.
Face it, it is a GOOD use of OUR taxes that WE pay in to OUR government, that is supposed to be OF, BY and FOR us, the American people.
WHY, WHY, WHY can't we use OUR tax money for a program that actually benefits us instead of some bullshit new fighter or worse, more gestapo like ICE agents.
You want to CLEAR THE SWAMP???
Start with ICE.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Cost is cost. SOMEONE is paying it. I hate this argument that a policy doesn't REALLY cost $950 a month because you get a subsidy. Yes, it DOES cost $950 a month. The subsidy just offsets the cost for the insured. But someone else is paying for the subsidy.
The subsidy system also doesn't work well. It's based on projected or estimated income for the next year. Many people don't know exactly what their income will be the next year. Many have rec'd subsidies all year, only to find they made too much for that subsidy and have to pay part of it back, or are disqualified for it entirely.
If it weren't for a subsidy, I wouldn't be able to afford it at all. My premium is over $900 a month. Not because I'm sick or have a medical condition. I'm extremely healthy. I'm an insurer's dream customer...no diabetes high cholesterol, weight problem, high blood pressure. Nothing. But I'm over 60. So I automatically have to pay a super high premium...because I have to pay for the high claims that other people are turning in, and because I'm the ONLY age group they are allowed to discriminate against.