Response to fellow DUer worried about hating Trump

[askyagerz]

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There are some people on this earth that deserve to be hated. As far as I'm concerned if you lack empathy and will hurt others to get ahead you have no place in society.
Trump is the poster child of greed, ego, ignorance and scapegoating. I can remember as a kid in the 80s that this man was a joke and now the so called working man thinks he will be their savior? He hasn't done an honest days work in his life. Never had to earn anything. All he has ever done was sign papers and destroy time after time what was given to him.
Empathy isn't something we are born with. We are taught it all through our lives by our own suffering and watching others suffer. Donald Trump has never really suffered a day in his life. Even on his worst day he was still better off then 99% of the population. He won't be able to help these people because he just doesn't have the life experience to know what needs to be done.
I say never apologize for hate. It's a liberal trait that hasn't done us well over the years. Makes us look weak. Its ok to hate someone if they truly deserve it. It's ok to kill bad people. I think an eye for an eye is a great policy. I have no problem punishing violent criminals with violence. I am a progressive because I think that's the best road for society to take. I believe every person on this planet has a right to live without fear and oppression and have some basic foundation to start their lives. What they do with it after that is up to them.
If someone is against that then really what kind of human being are they? Is there a hate line? I can hate Hitler but not Trump? I just pretty much just hate them all. They are a cancer for the human race. I'm definitely glad to see more liberals standing up and growing some balls lately.

[LOL Lib]

1. Thank you for saying this!

You are right on point in my humble opinion. If we want a liberal society we have to make it happen. The right isn't just going to give up and go away. Drumpf has shown no reason for me NOT to hate him.

[bunnies]

2. Thank you.

I try really fucking hard not to have that emotion but I just can't contain my hatred for that orange piece of shit any longer. I don't know why I put myself through the horror that was his speech last night, but somewhere in that hour I finally snapped. Watching him up there, smug-faced, lying, "acting" like he gives two shits about any of us, while Congress sits there, half of them clapping, it was the last slap in the face I could handle.

That giant anus and his die-hards are the worst of the worst of the worst. I only only hope I live to see him/them get what they deserve.

[Kimchijeon]

3. Good points you make.

I'm also glad to see more people having the guts to speak out lately! It can motivate us, for sure.

[murielm99]

4. Okay, I hate him, too.

I will not admit publicly to some of the things I hope happen to him.

But I know that hate is destructive. I am trying to channel that hate into positive action. The hate does not hurt trump and his advisors. They only laugh at us. It hurts us and damages our health. We need to channel that emotion into action.

I am not Pollyanna. I do hate the SOB. I will not try to deny that.

[askyagerz]

6. Hate can be just as constructive as it is destructive

Just depends on if it's used as a tool or a weapon

[askyagerz]

5. The phrase Bleeding Heart Liberal

Has done more to hurt the democratic party then pretty much anything else. We have got to shake that perception or we will never win the uneducated white class over. Its definitely time to pick our battles over shit to whine about haha

[byronius]

7. I always keep in mind the body count.

Because there will be a body count. These assholes are bloody-handed, grinning murderers. Won't be long before the numbers start to roll up.

Therefore, I agree with you.

[Morris64]

8. Sounding a little right wing here...

[askyagerz]

9. No sounding human...

Hate is a real emotion. It's there for a reason. Embrace it. The Liberals who say they don't hate anyone come off as fake and that's why middle America doesn't like them.

[hatrack]

17. So what? We didn't defeat Hitler and flatten Imperial Japan by being shocked and sad . . .

This is not going to end well, and there are way too fucking many people in this country ready to line up with the KZ-Lager guards.

I'm not advocating violence - far from it.

What I'm saying is don't be surprised when it comes.

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. And? I hate tRump, the tea party republican congress critters and the willfully ignorant

morons who keep voting them back into power.

[Morris64]

29. My point is this-

The sooner we can cease our gnashing of teeth and actually get to work on getting the right people in office in 2018, the better. Part of getting the right people in office, in my opinion, is not disparaging the right with obnoxious rhetoric on a public forum, but convincing the folks that voted for them that Democrats can do it better.

I don't want to dismiss your very real feelings. I suppose I'm just trying to put the best foot forward to never see another Donald Trump elected ever again.

[Nitram]

10. You don't have to hate Trump to despise everything he says and does. You don't have to hate him

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to want him out of office as soon a humanly possible. I don't hate him, feel sorry for him, or forgive him. I hate what he is doing the people of this country, and to the institutions that we value. It makes me sick to hear him use the office of the president to lie and boast about his imaginary or worthless "accomplishments." He disgusts me. He is everything I would raise a child not to be. But I don't hate him. He may very well do something that makes me hate him, or maybe he already has and it hasn't fully played out yet.

[askyagerz]

13. That's a long list

What exactly else is he going to have to do to put you over the edge? I hate the SOB just for the fact that he sexually assaults women, fat shames women and mocks the disabled. I have an overweight daughter and a disabled little niece. His disgustingness hits pretty close to home for me. If I met someone like that in a bar I would punch them in the face.That's not even including him shitting on our country over his yuge ego.
It's ok you can say you hate him. Trust me he hates you.

[mountain grammy]

26. Nope,sorry.I hate him. I've always hated him.

He is a despicable and worthy of my hatred.

[Nitram]

28. In my experience hatred hurts the hater more than the hated.

Do you hate cockroaches? Mosquitoes? Worms?

[mountain grammy]

30. Not my experience.

I'm very selective in who/what I hate. Cockroaches, yes, mosquitoes, yes, worms, no, trump, yes, fascists, yes.

[trof]

11. Great post, really, but...

Try using paragraphs.
Maybe three, at least, in your post.
It's very hard for many of us to read a large block of type on a monitor.
Thank you.

[askyagerz]

14. There are 4

I will space them next time

[trof]

15. There ya go. Many thanks.

[Rorey]

12. I don't like having hate within me

The reason is because it's generally harmful to ME. That said, I do hate 45, and his followers too. I don't choose to hate. It's just there. I am trying to turn this emotion into action, as many others are.

RESIST AND PREVAIL!

[shelshaw]

19. It's merely reflected hate...

and doesn't actually reside within you. More like a highly polished mirror pointing back at the source.

[Rorey]

21. LOL

Thanks! That's a good perspective!

[ancianita]

16. Righteous hate is often an excuse to do nothing. Channel it to act. Don't let it freeze you.

I agree. There's no hate line. Our bad guys are as worthy of hate as any other country's. And we have to be the ones to not let them do damage in our name.

Personally, I like anger. It's a genetic gift, and the only learning involved with it is how to channel it for solving problems.

Thanks for your post.

[ananda]

20. Also ..

You can always absolutely hate everything the person does and stands for,
and not actually hate the person, knowing that something really harsh and
cruel had to happen to him to make him that way, you know, totally losing
his humanity.

[askyagerz]

22. I feel that's just an excuse

He is a big boy and knows what he is doing is wrong. He smirks at getting one over on the common man. I'm not one to really believe in evil but that man tries his hardest...

[Rorey]

23. Or he's just a defective person NT

[Paladin]

24. Worried about hating trump? For fuck's sake: WHY?

If you're a for-real liberal and you don't hate trump, you're basically countenancing Germany, circa 1934. That's really how bad things are at this point. trump and his henchmen are attacking everything we assign real value to in this country. How can you not hate him, and then find ways to put that hatred to good use? Please take an honest look at how things are, and where things are going, and act accordingly.

[Blue_true]

25. Trump will trip up and stop himself. All we have to do is stay focused. nt

[RoadhogRidesAgain]

27. Agree

I've grown weary of the pacifism and unwillingness to engage in confrontation with "liberals". This turn the other cheek crap has cost us so much, the eagerness of the Democratic Party to "compromise" with the lunatics on the right and try to "empathize" with the hateful bigots who voted for Trump is downright sickening,I had "liberals" berating me for celebrating Richard spencer getting punched on camera, so I guess I don't consider myself a "liberal" these days but rather a leftist.

Thankfully with these recent town halls, it seems some on the left are starting to lose the koombaya crap.

[askyagerz]

31. Pacifism is nice in theory

But let's face it, just being progressive we are ahead of our time. A pacifist majority is a great goal to strive for but we will never come close to living to see it.
Now that being said just because you strive for something doesn't mean it's the right strategy for the here and now. We were just killing each other by the millions not that long ago in WW2. Holding up a peace sign and trying to reason with greed and power just isn't going to work. You have to have conviction for what you believe in and be willing to stand up and fight for it.
There is such a thing as justified hate. We would all probably be saluting the Nazi flag right now if it wasn't for it.

[Cha]

32. What's not to hate about the Liar and pusher of Fake news for

years who wants to destroy the Planet and the People on it.. who don't have enough money to survive without health care assisatance?

I told my friend the other week that I hated trump.. she said "I don't hate him.." I said "I do and proud of it"

Thanks askyagerz

[Maru Kitteh]

33. Killing "bad people" is okay? Punish violent criminals with violence?

Uh. No.

[askyagerz]

34. As Dr Phil would say...

How's that working out for ya?

[Maru Kitteh]

35. Dumb, and the data don't support it . For starters, violent crime is down and has fallen

as treatment of prisoners becomes more humane and rehab opportunities have increased.

[askyagerz]

36. It's more about prevention

Data isn't everything. So is violent crime at a tolerable level for you? How much do you think its went down exactly? Barely a drop in the bucket... Let there be real consequences for deliberately hurting other people. Pretty sure the majority of the world agrees with me on this one

[haele]

37. I can compartmentalize hate and work though it if it serves the greater benefit to do so.

Hate can be a normal feeling - especially if it is born out of a painful betrayal from a trusted person or loved one, or incredulity over the complete bag of domestic Turkeys level of stupidity and pettiness shown by otherwise decent people in the face of reality.

But hate requires some measure of feeling or consideration of someone or something. Personally, I could care less about Drumpf and his miserable brood. I feel sorry for the youngest boy and the grandkids, but the rest of them are like cockroaches in a slum rental - I only care about the potential for disease or just having to throw out useful items because they've corrupted food and etc crawling over it and laying their nasty eggs.

They don't care about Us, so why should I waste my emotions on them. The actions they do or events they influence - that I can hate.
Otherwise, I'll save my hate for when it can do some good - when it can drive me to act.

Haele