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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTom Udall/Gary Peters ticket will help Democrats get over 270 ev winning all of the States Clinton
carried in 2016 by a double digit margin 183v plus all of the Southwestern states (AZ,CO,NV,and NM) 214ev and
VA-13 (227ev)
MN-10 (237ev)
MI-16 (253ev)
PA-20 (273ev)
WI-10 (283ev)
Udall and Peters US Senate seats are up for re-election in 2020. They can choose to not seek re-election to focus all of their attention on unseating Trump. Democrats have plenty of top tier candidates to choose from to win the NM US Senate seat
Hector Balderas or Ben Lujan and the MI US Senate Seat Jennifer Granholm or Mark Schauer . If Udall and Peters decide to run for re-election and the Presidency, Democrats are going to occupy the MI and NM governorship.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)my baseball career ended after sophomore year in HS
I stopped growing....everybody else caught up
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)I remember Tommy John as a rookie BTW, pitched against my Senators.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)an underwear company named after himself?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)we should
apcalc
(4,461 posts)Ho-Effin-Hum.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)I assume many people that are naturally inclined to join the Democratic Party were turned off because of this kind of mentality in this election.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)White male privilege and power is tiring to say the least.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)You're right about the male part, not the white part.
It's disgusting how some people think it's acceptable to openly say they wouldn't vote for someone just on the basis of their skin or gender. This is the party that strives for a post racial society and equal rights among all and that mentality is cancerous and and pointless source of division. Discrimination isn't cool no matter who it's directed at.
delisen
(6,039 posts)been in since the 1700's. Many of us are no longer interested in the same old, same old-and with good reason.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:22 AM - Edit history (1)
Because that's essentially what your trying to say.
A candidate merely being a woman is no guarantee that they would be preferable.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)delisen
(6,039 posts)Too many in our own party dismissed her as a "corporatist." She acted, they babbled.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I was simply pointing out a fact about the sexism in this country. Tell me how that makes me a troll.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)siding with your side, all the way home
I love the cats all the way home, too
had one for thirteen years....taught himself to use the toilet
sigh....no pets since then
now I'm BUMMED!
RIP, Elliott
just about him, right above
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)combination alley cat/maine coon
nose dripping with nostalgia
littlemissmartypants
(22,418 posts)She was hit by a car, at the mailbox. I found her when I went to check the mail. I was devastated. I can still see her beautiful eyes. I was nine years old. Precious memories of her being my pal returned by your picture.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)He won the electoral college, he lost by over 3 million votes. By the way, he won the majority of white female voters.
The last thing I want to see is people on our side bashing candidates in 2020 who happen to have great policy proposals get bashed simply for their race or gender. Likewise I don't want to see mediocre uninspired candidates elevated simply because their race and gender. The single most important mission in 2020 is defeating Donald Trump, and any source of unneeded division among us must be eradicated right now because if we don't get our act together and focus on what's truly important, then our side won't be successful.
I will vote for any candidate, regardless of their gender or race, I proudly voted for Obama in 08 and Hillary in 16. All I ask is that the best person is chosen, instead of filling some sort of identity quota.
Look, every time another white male president is elected, we have to wait a minimum of four more years for another group to get a shot at having that level of representation. It matters. Representation matters.
elleng
(130,156 posts)apcalc
(4,461 posts)Just that there's nothing there to excite me. Same old same old.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)Actually it's the very definition of racism to raise rejection against candidates because of their race. This is the sort of thing that turns off voters from joining the party and it's amazing that I'm seeing people here openly voicing these sorts of sentiments.
How about by 2020, you focus on a candidates overall record and policy proposals before deciding if they excite you or not?
apcalc
(4,461 posts)They are probably on board with policy positions I can support. I'm just not excited about that Ticket.
Ho hum.
A woman can be found to run with the same policy positions.
I want something for girls, for women.
Don't worry, I'll vote for the ticket, I always vote.
delisen
(6,039 posts)over 1000 Democratic Party seats lost in the last decade, voter suppression, busted voting machines, Russia deciding our presidents but all we need to do is pick a 2020 dream team?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Two. White. Men.
Rejecting good candidates based on their race and gender. Not what I expect to see on a progressive site.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)If we don't get these people in line, they could cost us the election in 2020 by dividing our party and turning off potential voters. These people are part of the problem. This isn't how you win over voters!
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Not looking to get anyone in line, except perhaps myself.
I vote for candidates based upon their positions.
I reject choosing candidates based upon their race or gender. Which is exactly what the post I responded to was doing. Dismissing potential candidates based on their race or gender.
If two white guys make our best ticket, then I will support it.
But their race or gender will have nothing to do with it.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)apcalc
(4,461 posts)Just nothing the least bit inspiring there...
That said , I'll vote for them....
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)Nobody knows who's going to run in 2020, but it's important to keep and open mind and not preemptively vilify people or decide they aren't exciting because of what they look like before we even hear any policy proposals. If these sentiment aren't dealt with now it can become a major source of division in the primaries. And it will cost us.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,750 posts)He's one of my Senators. I've met him several times and he always remembers who I am, which impresses me. But he's my age, which means he'll be over 70 in 2020.
Plus, quite frankly, I think he's entirely too mild-mannered for either the running or the job.
Let's not put a lot of energy into worrying about who the nominee will be nearly four years down the road. Let's concentrate on dealing with what's happening right now, and then winning back the House and Senate in 2018. That should come very much ahead of anything else.
As for Democrats in NM having plenty of top tier candidates to run for Senate in 2020, I can't imagine who you are thinking of. Hardly anyone is jockeying to run for Governor in this state in 2018. If Udall doesn't run for the Senate in 2020, the only Dems I can think of who might go for it do not inspire me in the least.
nkpolitics1212
(8,617 posts)Regarding Udall's age, Udall will be 72 on January 2021. Assuming he serves 2 terms, he will be 80.
Regarding the US House and US Senate Races in 2018.
Democrats need to make sure all of the red states Democratic US Senators (Donnelly-IN,McCaskill-MO,Tester-MT,Heitkamp-ND,and Manchin-WV) get re-elected and Democrats need to protect purple state Democratic US Senators who are facing a top tier GOP challenger (Nelson-FL,Stabenow-MI,Brown-OH,Casey-PA,and Baldwin-WI) get re-elected. Plus we have to unseat Flake-AZ, Heller-NV and the 51st seat could be either in TX-Cruz or AL-Strange/Sessions old seat.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,750 posts)for the NM Governor in 2018. Tom Udall publicly decided not to seek that office. Grisham would be giving up her seat in Congress, and I don't know NM District 1 well enough to know if another Democrat would successfully win that seat. But she would probably make a good Governor.
I know the current Mayor of Santa Fe, Javier Gonzales is considering it. While I think he's a pretty decent Mayor, he's been somewhat divisive, and not sure if, were he to win the election, he'd be a good and effective Governor.
And Tom Udall, nice man as he is, is too old to run for President. Again, I'm his age, and even though he looks a good ten years younger than he is, I still don't want to see another old person in that office.
We don't need yet another Boomer in the Oval Office. It is beyond time for the younger generation to take over.
nkpolitics1212
(8,617 posts)butdiduvote
(284 posts)Tired of women not having any representation. I'll vote, but I already know I won't be a big 2020 cheerleader.
apcalc
(4,461 posts)No excitement .
And to be underrepresented yet again...
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)The earlier Party favorites for POTUS appear, the longer people have to pick them apart and essentially do oppo research the GOP can use.
Just sayin'
littlemissmartypants
(22,418 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Very odd. Are you in Layla land or what?
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)Full disclosure: Posted by a white man.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Right HERE in Michigan. Thanks!
Who are Hector Balderas or Ben Lujan? Live in Michigan, don't know them in the slightest.
Jennifer Granholm would LOSE a Senate race in Michigan and we have PLENTY of others that could take the seat if Peters ran for PRESIDENT --- Not V.P., President. As that would be the only way Michiganders would be willing to let Gary go.
Mark Schauer has lost how many times now -- 3 (Governor Race - Once, Congressional Race - Twice) = No Thanks!