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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Donald just admitted thru his tweet storm that indeed there was a warrant to tap his phones
And you know if his phones were tapped by warrant, so we're others in his cabal.
Holy shit.
When this all comes out it will be the biggest political story in the History of the United States.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Oh, the irony that something the GOP wanted so badly to do bites them in the ass so hard.
C_U_L8R
(44,996 posts)Thanks for confirming that for us, Donnie
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)He does not have much opportunity to leverage anything before the extensive recordings get leaked.
BTW, when do his financial/IRS records get leaked? The CIA could sub that out to a Ukrainian, an Israeli or a Hong Kong citizen to keep their fingerprints off the trail.
DK504
(3,847 posts)he shows how unlikeable he is and how complicit and involved with this Russian coup.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Maybe he was watching MSNBC last night.
babylonsister
(171,042 posts)uses big words!
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)A wonderful, lovely happy happy day.
There are tapes. There are transcripts.
I can't stop smiling.
After today, I now believe, that we will witness Donald Trump under oath testifying in a court of Law.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)theglammistress
(348 posts)at 8 on a Saturday morning! My husband and I had a blast laughing hysterically at Trump's meltdown.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)To me it looks like this....
Bannon founds Breitbart
Trump hires Bannon
Breitbart lies about Obama
Trump tweets about Breitbart
I would love to see proof that there was a wiretap, but I don't believe anything Chump says. Much less tweets.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)I mean that much is public, most in the know figure that the FBI Had wiretaps on this stuff. And of course the FBI doesn't make that stuff known. They dont tell it, they do it and keep quiet about it.
Donald Trump just told it.
He didn't understand that he was letting the cat out of the bag. That's what so damn funny about these morning tweets.
He inadvertently told the world that the FBI had probable cause to tap his phones.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)it seems that all the information so far has been from watching possible Russian agents. Then when Chump's chumps talked to the Russians they too were observed.
IF there really was a warrant to tap Trump this is a major escalation. Wouldn't we first hear about Flynn's or Manafort's or Sessions' phones?
duncang
(1,907 posts)There are actual transcripts of Flynn's meetings. And we did hear first about that. Also since Flynn was working out of trump towers there could have been wire taps at the towers. But directed at flynn or others associated with trump. As of now no one knows if dipshit donnie was tapped also.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)But should we then not know about Flynn's conversations with Trump, and everyone else he spoke with?
Maybe it is just too early to sort this out yet. As I rule I don't believe anything Chump says so my prejudice might be clouding my judgement.
It just seems to me that Breitbart and conservative radio would not be the first news agencies to break this story if it were real.
unc70
(6,110 posts)Louise Mensch and others have been discussing the FISA warrant for several months. Lots of bits and pieces about it. Discussing Flynn in terms of conversations with RA avoids having to reveal the far wider surveillance including wiretaps of citizens (or legal bugging of places like offices in Trump Tower).
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)They never know there's been a warranted tap. And if they do know THEY TRY TO KEEP IT QUIET. Because having a tap certainly makes one look guilty of something.
There probably is a tap on Manafort and others.
They are smart enough to keep that info quiet, cause it makes them guilty of something in court of public opinion.
Donald Trump isn't that smart. He just told the world that there's a warrant to tap his phones.
That's the funniest part of it all.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)But he is such a narcissist, he can't comprehend that it was anything other than that he was tapped, when the Russians were being monitored.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)At about 13 minutes into her A block she says that if an American gets on the phone then the security agency listening has to hang up (paraphrased). It would take a warrant to listen to an American and because we have transcripts of Flynn's conversations we know there must have been a warrant to listen to Flynn.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)They can wiretap without a warrant if both parties are foreign but the minute a US citizen gets on the line they have to hang up until they get a warrant. So, assuming his phones actually were tapped, the FISA court would have had to issue a warrant to allow the CIA/FBI/NSA listen to any conversations to which Trump was a party. Amb. Kislyak's phones were almost certainly tapped but again, a FISA warrant would have been needed to eavesdrop on any conversations between him and any US citizen. Kislyak would certainly have assumed his phones were bugged because that's what his people do, so I doubt he would have said anything incriminating during a conversation with Trump or his minions, but who knows what they might have said?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)KewlKat
(5,624 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)He has been staying out of this so far, at least publicly.
Chump may have opened up a new front in this war.
eShirl
(18,487 posts)probably giggling
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)And as a white guy, most of my race, and most of my sex do.
It's mind numbing. But I fight like hell against them. I live in Southern West Virginia, this place is lousy with Trump fools. You should see my Facebook.
I don't give them hell, I just tell them the truth. They think it's hell.
Bucky
(53,984 posts)not even half of those who voted, not even all of those who voted for him
Bucky
(53,984 posts)I live in Houston so I really don't know any Trump voters. At least none stable enough that I would risk pissing them off.
The Trump is still strong in them. You should see my Facebook. He's already put the miners back to work I'm told. Yessirree he's saved the working man. Already. This is what immtold.
And the loooooove the muslim ban. Love it.
Bucky
(53,984 posts)all of my Muslim friends and undocumented students and neighbors getting around it up, like some of those wingnut politicians dream about period.
But the worst part is, long after Trump burns himself out and is run from office, that hatred he has ginned up will continue to linger in our communities
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Very few African Americans. Just a handful of Latinos. No Asian Americans.
I live in the Rebel Flag capital of the United States.
randr
(12,409 posts)His "rigged" elections are now "sacred"?
The "anointed one" has no one to talk to about his issues me thinks.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)With his tweet storm this morning it shows that Donald doesn't understand the Presidents can't wiretap people. He doesn't understand this basic fact.
And it shows.
nolabear
(41,956 posts)But a cult is a cult.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)caroldansen
(725 posts)Get them interested in politics and history.
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)Was to be able to tell my grandkids, etc...that when this tyrant was put in office and the country was under his regime I was one of the millions who took to the streets.
Bucky
(53,984 posts)which means either he was reading crazy-ass right-wing websites early in the morning, or he's getting his Intel from back channels not associated with the US government
if he had found out about the taps I threw a Fishel channels, his explosion would have happened during normal business hours
Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)This will happen. He will go after Obama and try to have him arrested or executed. That's what dictators do.
JenniferJuniper
(4,510 posts)with every I dotted and every T crossed.
JenniferJuniper
(4,510 posts)which I think is very possible, if not likely, why is Trump going there now?
What's coming next?
Bucky
(53,984 posts)will be the joy of watching Sean Spicer walking this one back
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)he believes his phones are tapped. He also believes he is smart.