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Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:54 AM Mar 2017

The Donald just admitted thru his tweet storm that indeed there was a warrant to tap his phones

And you know if his phones were tapped by warrant, so we're others in his cabal.

Holy shit.

When this all comes out it will be the biggest political story in the History of the United States.

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The Donald just admitted thru his tweet storm that indeed there was a warrant to tap his phones (Original Post) Saboburns Mar 2017 OP
FISA Warrants? Chasstev365 Mar 2017 #1
Soooo...that means there are tapes and transcripts. C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #2
+1 dalton99a Mar 2017 #21
Fathead has to win in "the court of public opinion" that he is the sympathetic figure Kolesar Mar 2017 #3
And overtime Fathead tweets DK504 Mar 2017 #22
Rachel talked about this last night... Blanks Mar 2017 #4
Nah, breitbart is his go-to news source. Rachel babylonsister Mar 2017 #6
It is a Beautiful Day Saboburns Mar 2017 #5
But is he going to tell the truth? HipChick Mar 2017 #7
These tweets made me shoot out of bed... theglammistress Mar 2017 #8
Are you sure that isn't just some insane rant? Motown_Johnny Mar 2017 #9
Well I think most of us know that there's an ongoing FBI investigation into this Russian election Saboburns Mar 2017 #11
Unless I have missed something.... Motown_Johnny Mar 2017 #12
From what I understand duncang Mar 2017 #14
Yes, we know about Flynn's conversations with the Russians. Motown_Johnny Mar 2017 #18
RW are not the first unc70 Mar 2017 #36
Well, most people don't know. Saboburns Mar 2017 #15
That was my take- they want to make this look partisan instead of about Russia.... bettyellen Mar 2017 #38
If he was communicting with Russia, no warrant is needed. Thor_MN Mar 2017 #10
That isn't what Dr. Maddow reported last night. Motown_Johnny Mar 2017 #17
A FISA warrant is needed whenever an American is a party to the conversation. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #35
They all seem very frightened and nervous. It's a faux-aggressive stance that indicates weakness. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #13
What a fool........ KewlKat Mar 2017 #16
Pissing off Pres. Obama can't be a good move. Motown_Johnny Mar 2017 #19
I doubt Obama is pissed eShirl Mar 2017 #40
Half the people in this country think this man is the answer to their problems Saboburns Mar 2017 #20
no, not half Bucky Mar 2017 #29
do me a favor, though, ask around to see if they have remorse yet Bucky Mar 2017 #32
Oh hell Saboburns Mar 2017 #37
This is so sad. I live in such a diverse city, I can't imagine Bucky Mar 2017 #39
I doubt there's a Muslim living within 100 miles of me, in any direction. Saboburns Mar 2017 #43
Oh the irony is painful randr Mar 2017 #28
Oh and another thing Saboburns Mar 2017 #23
I'm impressed that incompetence means nothing to his followers. nolabear Mar 2017 #24
Or not... jmg257 Mar 2017 #25
Yeah! Something to tell peoples kids and grand kids about down through the ages. It just might caroldansen Mar 2017 #26
One of the reasons I went to a local rally/protest rainbow4321 Mar 2017 #42
if the Twitter storm started late at night, then his Source was who he was reading late at night Bucky Mar 2017 #27
He will try to arrest Obama Johnny2X2X Mar 2017 #30
If "Obama" tapped his phone, you can bet it was done legally JenniferJuniper Mar 2017 #33
If there was a FISA warrant or warrants JenniferJuniper Mar 2017 #31
Coming up next... Bucky Mar 2017 #34
More like The Donald just admitted truebluegreen Mar 2017 #41

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
3. Fathead has to win in "the court of public opinion" that he is the sympathetic figure
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:14 AM
Mar 2017

He does not have much opportunity to leverage anything before the extensive recordings get leaked.

BTW, when do his financial/IRS records get leaked? The CIA could sub that out to a Ukrainian, an Israeli or a Hong Kong citizen to keep their fingerprints off the trail.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
22. And overtime Fathead tweets
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:03 PM
Mar 2017

he shows how unlikeable he is and how complicit and involved with this Russian coup.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
5. It is a Beautiful Day
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:23 AM
Mar 2017

A wonderful, lovely happy happy day.

There are tapes. There are transcripts.

I can't stop smiling.

After today, I now believe, that we will witness Donald Trump under oath testifying in a court of Law.

theglammistress

(348 posts)
8. These tweets made me shoot out of bed...
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:31 AM
Mar 2017

at 8 on a Saturday morning! My husband and I had a blast laughing hysterically at Trump's meltdown.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
9. Are you sure that isn't just some insane rant?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:36 AM
Mar 2017

To me it looks like this....


Bannon founds Breitbart

Trump hires Bannon

Breitbart lies about Obama

Trump tweets about Breitbart




I would love to see proof that there was a wiretap, but I don't believe anything Chump says. Much less tweets.


Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
11. Well I think most of us know that there's an ongoing FBI investigation into this Russian election
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:46 AM
Mar 2017

I mean that much is public, most in the know figure that the FBI Had wiretaps on this stuff. And of course the FBI doesn't make that stuff known. They dont tell it, they do it and keep quiet about it.

Donald Trump just told it.

He didn't understand that he was letting the cat out of the bag. That's what so damn funny about these morning tweets.

He inadvertently told the world that the FBI had probable cause to tap his phones.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
12. Unless I have missed something....
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:54 AM
Mar 2017

it seems that all the information so far has been from watching possible Russian agents. Then when Chump's chumps talked to the Russians they too were observed.

IF there really was a warrant to tap Trump this is a major escalation. Wouldn't we first hear about Flynn's or Manafort's or Sessions' phones?

duncang

(1,907 posts)
14. From what I understand
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:08 AM
Mar 2017

There are actual transcripts of Flynn's meetings. And we did hear first about that. Also since Flynn was working out of trump towers there could have been wire taps at the towers. But directed at flynn or others associated with trump. As of now no one knows if dipshit donnie was tapped also.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
18. Yes, we know about Flynn's conversations with the Russians.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:19 AM
Mar 2017

But should we then not know about Flynn's conversations with Trump, and everyone else he spoke with?

Maybe it is just too early to sort this out yet. As I rule I don't believe anything Chump says so my prejudice might be clouding my judgement.

It just seems to me that Breitbart and conservative radio would not be the first news agencies to break this story if it were real.



unc70

(6,110 posts)
36. RW are not the first
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:44 PM
Mar 2017

Louise Mensch and others have been discussing the FISA warrant for several months. Lots of bits and pieces about it. Discussing Flynn in terms of conversations with RA avoids having to reveal the far wider surveillance including wiretaps of citizens (or legal bugging of places like offices in Trump Tower).

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
15. Well, most people don't know.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:09 AM
Mar 2017

They never know there's been a warranted tap. And if they do know THEY TRY TO KEEP IT QUIET. Because having a tap certainly makes one look guilty of something.

There probably is a tap on Manafort and others.

They are smart enough to keep that info quiet, cause it makes them guilty of something in court of public opinion.

Donald Trump isn't that smart. He just told the world that there's a warrant to tap his phones.

That's the funniest part of it all.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
10. If he was communicting with Russia, no warrant is needed.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:37 AM
Mar 2017

But he is such a narcissist, he can't comprehend that it was anything other than that he was tapped, when the Russians were being monitored.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
17. That isn't what Dr. Maddow reported last night.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:16 AM
Mar 2017

At about 13 minutes into her A block she says that if an American gets on the phone then the security agency listening has to hang up (paraphrased). It would take a warrant to listen to an American and because we have transcripts of Flynn's conversations we know there must have been a warrant to listen to Flynn.



http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
35. A FISA warrant is needed whenever an American is a party to the conversation.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:41 PM
Mar 2017

They can wiretap without a warrant if both parties are foreign but the minute a US citizen gets on the line they have to hang up until they get a warrant. So, assuming his phones actually were tapped, the FISA court would have had to issue a warrant to allow the CIA/FBI/NSA listen to any conversations to which Trump was a party. Amb. Kislyak's phones were almost certainly tapped but again, a FISA warrant would have been needed to eavesdrop on any conversations between him and any US citizen. Kislyak would certainly have assumed his phones were bugged because that's what his people do, so I doubt he would have said anything incriminating during a conversation with Trump or his minions, but who knows what they might have said?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
19. Pissing off Pres. Obama can't be a good move.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:22 AM
Mar 2017

He has been staying out of this so far, at least publicly.

Chump may have opened up a new front in this war.



Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
20. Half the people in this country think this man is the answer to their problems
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:24 AM
Mar 2017

And as a white guy, most of my race, and most of my sex do.

It's mind numbing. But I fight like hell against them. I live in Southern West Virginia, this place is lousy with Trump fools. You should see my Facebook.

I don't give them hell, I just tell them the truth. They think it's hell.

Bucky

(53,984 posts)
32. do me a favor, though, ask around to see if they have remorse yet
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:36 PM
Mar 2017

I live in Houston so I really don't know any Trump voters. At least none stable enough that I would risk pissing them off.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
37. Oh hell
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:50 PM
Mar 2017

The Trump is still strong in them. You should see my Facebook. He's already put the miners back to work I'm told. Yessirree he's saved the working man. Already. This is what immtold.

And the loooooove the muslim ban. Love it.

Bucky

(53,984 posts)
39. This is so sad. I live in such a diverse city, I can't imagine
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:58 PM
Mar 2017

all of my Muslim friends and undocumented students and neighbors getting around it up, like some of those wingnut politicians dream about period.

But the worst part is, long after Trump burns himself out and is run from office, that hatred he has ginned up will continue to linger in our communities

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
43. I doubt there's a Muslim living within 100 miles of me, in any direction.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 06:20 PM
Mar 2017

Very few African Americans. Just a handful of Latinos. No Asian Americans.

I live in the Rebel Flag capital of the United States.

randr

(12,409 posts)
28. Oh the irony is painful
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:31 PM
Mar 2017

His "rigged" elections are now "sacred"?
The "anointed one" has no one to talk to about his issues me thinks.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
23. Oh and another thing
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:23 PM
Mar 2017

With his tweet storm this morning it shows that Donald doesn't understand the Presidents can't wiretap people. He doesn't understand this basic fact.

And it shows.

caroldansen

(725 posts)
26. Yeah! Something to tell peoples kids and grand kids about down through the ages. It just might
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:30 PM
Mar 2017

Get them interested in politics and history.

rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
42. One of the reasons I went to a local rally/protest
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:08 PM
Mar 2017

Was to be able to tell my grandkids, etc...that when this tyrant was put in office and the country was under his regime I was one of the millions who took to the streets.

Bucky

(53,984 posts)
27. if the Twitter storm started late at night, then his Source was who he was reading late at night
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:30 PM
Mar 2017

which means either he was reading crazy-ass right-wing websites early in the morning, or he's getting his Intel from back channels not associated with the US government

if he had found out about the taps I threw a Fishel channels, his explosion would have happened during normal business hours

Johnny2X2X

(19,001 posts)
30. He will try to arrest Obama
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:34 PM
Mar 2017

This will happen. He will go after Obama and try to have him arrested or executed. That's what dictators do.

JenniferJuniper

(4,510 posts)
31. If there was a FISA warrant or warrants
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:35 PM
Mar 2017

which I think is very possible, if not likely, why is Trump going there now?

What's coming next?

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