Trump STUPIDLY declassifies FISA warrants against him in a tweet!!!

[Foamfollower]

The FISA Warrants against the Trump campaign have been known about and reported on for weeks via a leak. The leaker could be prosecuted if caught because FISA warrants are classified and are state secrets.

However, a president may declassify anything.

By making these wiretaps public via a tweet, Trump has declassified them, so the original leaker can no longer be prosecuted AND details of the FISA warrant can now be obtained by news organizations via a FOIA request!

The man is a complete IDIOT and is only making things easier for people to get to the bottom of it! To compare this to Watergate, this would be the equivalent of Nixon giving the tapes to Woodward and Bernstein!

[rzemanfl]

1. I think the way this works is the authorities can listen to the U.S. end of a conversation.

It doesn't mean Trump's phones were bugged.

[Saboburns]

4. No, no you're still not getting it.

He just told people that there has been a wiretap on his phone. On him. There must be probable cause to get a tap. A judge gave access to a tap because there's evidence of a crime, or collusion with a foreign government.

In other words. THE FBI ALREADY HAS EVIDENCE OF A CRIME, OR COLLUSION WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. Or there wouldn't be a wiretap.

He told on himself. Unwittingly.

[rzemanfl]

8. All I am saying is it is not a given that the tap was on the Trump Tower

phone line(s).

[uponit7771]

11. Hmmm.... Good point

[Foamfollower]

16. It's a pretty safe bet, though

The campaign headquarters was in Trump Tower.

[roamer65]

12. Yes. You are correct.

He's getting close to impeachment and removal.

Pence had better NOT pardon him.

[Ohioblue22]

18. why wouldnt he . the have the government . trump will be in as much trouble

as tom delay or david vitter

[jalan48]

19. Of course Pence will pardon him. Trump will let underlings take the fall.

[mchill]

28. Why wouldn't Pence be impeached too?

[DURHAM D]

5. According to reports on MSNBC this am the phones are

NOT tapped. Only one computer that communicates with Russian banks was under scrutiny.

[Saboburns]

6. Er,um MSNBC wouldn't know if Trump was wiretapped.

Nobody would know. Only the FBI. And they would not tell anybody.

[DURHAM D]

7. Think about it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028744845

[mahina]

37. Whaaaaat?

Oh please God let that be true.

[shadowmayor]

23. The way this really works

Every GD phone call, tweet, email etc. is tapped and recorded. FISA is a balm to calm the masses. The CIA doesn't listen to American phone calls? Horseshit. Besides, the British can listen to all of ours and vice versa. Doubt there's a problem sharing this info back and forth. The whole "wall of protection" supporting our right to privacy is a big fat myth.

This has been the case going back to Hoover and the FBI. We were told that under certain conditions the FBI had to stop listening and recording phone calls. They never did. They just knew that certain information wouldn't be allowed as evidence in court. But they had the information nonetheless.

So yeah, every phone in America is "tapped".

[rzemanfl]

25. I've suggested in other threads the info may have come from the Brits, the Dutch or other

friendly governments.

Maybe the lack of a FISA warrant is why the information is leaking out so the Trumpsters will deny the conversations.

This is a game of many dimensional chess.

[Saboburns]

2. That's what I been posting all morning.

He just told on himself and HE'S NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT HE JUST TOLD ON HIMSELF. Which is the funniest damn part of it all.

Not only that, but he showed that he doesn't understand that Presidents dont/can't wiretap people.

There's a whoooole Lotta gold in this morning's tweet storm.

I'm calling it an Historic Day.

[MedusaX]

3. Kudos to the one who

Figured out how to get 45 to use his own habits against himself... and then set up the operation so as to execute beautifully....

[Cracklin Charlie]

9. They have done a masterful job.

I thought yesterday when Kushner's name started showing up, that someone had switched on the fan.

It seems the shit hit it at about 6 this morning.

[C_U_L8R]

10. It's like Homer Simpson was President.

DOH !!!

Donnie you did it again. What a buffoon.

[cstanleytech]

14. No, Homer would be a smarter improvement over Trump. nt

[erronis]

20. And it would only be stupid entertainment

Instead of scary reality.

I have always wondered if this clown show (Howdy-Doodley?) isn't just a great distraction for something much more monumental. And maybe not involving the Putin/USSR or the Evil Koch Empire. Maybe something as diabolical as the Triumvirate!

[Initech]

24. Where's Walter Sobchak when you need him?

[NewJeffCT]

26. While Homer is a buffoon

at least he's not malevolent like Trump

[C_U_L8R]

27. Very true

It's like Bizzaro Homer - same inadvertant self-inflicted buffoonery but with very very bad intent

[Blue Owl]

36. Simpson, eh?

n/t

[cstanleytech]

13. Actually the original leaker can still be prosecuted as just because something is now declassified

doesn't mean it washes away leaking classified information in the past.

[dixiegrrrrl]

33. Actually it is not declassified.

There is a specific process the Pres. or who ever has to go thru to declassify any information, and it involves a bunch of people getting involved, signing off, etc.
what he did was reveal still classified info.

[cstanleytech]

35. Yes I know I'm simply pointing out that no one can escape the potential for prosecution

for leaking classified information even if the next month the government decides to declassify it.

[ffr]

15. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh! No tRump, you're not an idiot. You are brilliant. Very smart.

Carry on.

[Renew Deal]

17. I agree that Trump made a massive error

I don't know if the stuff about FOIA is true, but I hope it is.

[George II]

21. "are you crazy"?

[Dorn]

22. 1)Has a FOIA request been made yet 2)Can't it be reclassified

1) Does anyone know if a FOIA request has been made yet?

2) Can't declassified documents be reclassified as secret? For example if a document describing an important part of atomic bombs was inadvertently declassified shouldn't the government be able to make it secret again ?

[dixiegrrrrl]

34. Apparently Trump's lawyer has now compounded the problem .......

Link to tweet

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. I don't think it works like that at all. But you might be right on one point.

First of all, documents have to be formally declassified: identified and logged. That has not been done.

Secondly, documents can be classified or re-classified any time, much more easily than declassifying.

Public knowledge that a document exists does not declassify it.

But you might be right about the leaker now being immune from prosecution.

[cstanleytech]

30. "But you might be right about the leaker now being immune from prosecution. " No, just because Trump

said what he said wont get the leaker off if they are caught as they already broke the law regarding the handling of classified information so their best bet if they want to avoid jail time is to keep their head down and pray no one traces the leak to them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. Good logical explanation. Thanks. . . . nt

[Kablooie]

32. If it's real. There may not have been any wiretapped phones.

It might all be just Trump insane fantasies.

[sellitman]

38. All he was doing was retweeting Breitbart.

He does the same with Fox news. You are all over thinking this.

Always start with the premise he is an idiot.

[Lee-Lee]

39. The leaker gets zero protection because someone else released or declassified it.

It will have zero bearing on if they choose to prosecute or if they are able to convict.

The only thing that matters is the status of the materials leaks or mishandled at the time they were leaked or mishandled. Subsequent changes in that status after the date have zero relevance to any charges.

Your claim that the person can no no longer be prosecuted is 100% incorrect.