Shit - we fell for his trap. US Official - said NO wiretap - may be what

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Last edited Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:55 PM - Edit history (2)

Shithead wanted - to know he wasn't recorded when he said incriminating stuff and Breitbart
orchestrated.

On edit, it is just my opinion that Trump/Breitbart may have floated story to see
if they could get confirmation TT not tapped.

On edit, it is difficult to know what "official" is stating that no wiretap occured.

There is the Obama spokesman

There is the Official that cnn quotes who knows about the Justice Dept probes

There is an Official that NYT quotes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html

One senior law enforcement official from the Obama administration, who has direct knowledge of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia and of government wiretapping, said that it was “100 percent untrue” that the government had wiretapped Mr. Trump. The official, who asked for anonymity to discuss matters related to investigations and intelligence, said the White House owed the American people an explanation for the president’s allegations.

[bettyellen]

1. PRESIDENT didn't wiretap- because presidents don't!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. Right - it's just his usual nutty hyperbole - but by doing it, he found out he wasn't ever tapped.

[bettyellen]

25. Nope- he COULD have been tapped by the FISA court.

Or he could be recorded talking to other people when he claims he never did. Trump wouldn't be told if they had tapped him.

[MFM008]

51. I don't believe it

They can't say whether they did or not.

[rzemanfl]

2. No wiretap on Donald's phone. If he is stupid enough to think the Russians don't have

taps on theirs, this could be really funny.

[dchill]

41. Right. The taps are on the lines of the foreign nationals.

[Abu Pepe]

67. Crazy ass Flynn sure seemed to have thought

the US intelligence community wasn't recording the Russian Ambassador's phone calls. Which is weird given his career and the fact just about any random American probably assumes the CIA taps the Russian Ambassador's phone.

[Belligerent]

3. I'm new, so I may be missing something. But is this post incoherent?

Just wondering.

[BannonsLiver]

6. Yes

Though I get a whiff of defeatist nonsense from it.

[bettyellen]

7. How rude. It's about a statement made that BO didn't wiretap DT....

Which is true, it's not his job to do that.

[Belligerent]

42. I guess I apologize, but I just think that an important message such as that one would have been

more complete. You know. Verbs, nouns, and the like.

(Perhaps if you viewed the original, unedited, post to which I responded).

[Rhiannon12866]

60. There's only so much room in a subject line

Welcome to DU.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. If you are new you shouldn't be so rude:) Trump (Shithead) said Obama's phone tapped him.

Official said NO. Now, Shithead can breathe easy since he knows nothing incriminating he probably said was taped.

[ret5hd]

15. That is absolutely NOT what was said and you know it.

Obama said HE didn't have drumph's phone tapped...not that nobody in the U.S. justice/law departments did not tap drumph's phone. Obama essentially said that he (Obama) did not meddle in any investigation.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. WTF - Did you read what I said. How fucking rude.

[ret5hd]

26. Hey Kettle!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Never ever have I been rude to a soul unless they come after me first.

[bettyellen]

52. This is true!

[brooklynite]

5. Context please?

WHICH "US Official" said this?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. Just got a breaking news blip from cnn. "Asked about Trump's tweets, a former senior US

official with direct knowledge of investigations by the Justice Department under the Obama Administration denied there was any such investigation of Trump or that his phones were tapped."

[ananda]

49. That would be by the WH and the DOJ.

It says nothing about other agencies or FISA warrants.

[brooklynite]

9. NYT: "Senior WH officials are convinced there was a FISA order"

Link to tweet

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Well, maybe that's true. Or maybe the cnn source is right (see above post). Guess they could

both be true.

[bettyellen]

28. Trump has people lie to CNN twice this week- about immigration order and I forget the one Thursday -

They are fucking w CNN to discredit them.

[Motown_Johnny]

11. Are you talking about Pres. Obama's spokesperson's statement?

That only says that Pres. Obama never ordered any wiretapping of any U.S. Citizen. It says nothing about FISA court issuing warrants to tap phones.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Just going by the cnn breaking news text I got:

"Asked about Trump's tweets, a former senior US
official with direct knowledge of investigations by the Justice Department under the Obama Administration denied there was any such investigation of Trump or that his phones were tapped."

[msanthrope]

32. Right. So what about the FBI? nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. nyt

There is an Official that NYT quotes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html
One senior law enforcement official from the Obama administration, who has direct knowledge of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia and of government wiretapping, said that it was “100 percent untrue” that the government had wiretapped Mr. Trump. The official, who asked for anonymity to discuss matters related to investigations and intelligence, said the White House owed the American people an explanation for the president’s allegations.

[msanthrope]

62. Right......no one wiretapped Trump.

What about the people he called?

[Saboburns]

13. We won't know until the FBI investigation is over

Jesus wept.

Donald Trump, doesnt have any grand scheme. He's dumber than dog shit. He proved he has NO CLUE HOW WIRETAPS EVEN WORK.

That guy who said there was no, wire taps, is saying what 99.99% of Americans, which excepts Donald Trumpknows that, President Obama didn't tap his phone. Because Obama didn't tap anybody's phone. Because no President is ever allowed to tap anybody's phone.

Only the FBI taps phone. After a judge grants a warrant after there's probable cause shown.

And the FBI ain't gonna tell anything about any wiretaps until the investigation is over. And maybe not even then.

[Chemisse]

16. I see what you're saying here.

That Trump did this as a way of confirming there was NO wiretap, and therefore all those incriminating conversations with the Russians will remain secret.

[monmouth4]

18. My impression is that Obama didn't order any wire taps, doesn't mean the FBI didn't. Is that right?

And if the FBI did, they're going to keep it to themselves..

[Saboburns]

19. YES YES YES

That's exactly correct!

[monmouth4]

22. Thank you..n/t

[Chemisse]

20. I was just reading this all came from Breitbart and a RW talk show host

So, as usual, dt is full of paranoia and hot air.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. What did? That """""Obama wiretapped him""" ??

[Chemisse]

36. Yes!

[BumRushDaShow]

38. Here

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

This is what set him off.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. It's confusing who is saying what. Just off NYT...

One senior law enforcement official from the Obama administration, who has direct knowledge of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia and of government wiretapping, said that it was “100 percent untrue” that the government had wiretapped Mr. Trump. The official, who asked for anonymity to discuss matters related to investigations and intelligence, said the White House owed the American people an explanation for the president’s allegations.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. The issue is this (very simple)

FISA warrants are supposed to be classified and not discussed. I remember there were huge discussions about how Verizon, et al would get these NSLs (National Security letter) & warrants and were not allowed to even admit to their existence.

But the easier answer here would be a tap on a "foreign agent" (because FISA = "foreign&quot and intercepting what may have been confirmed as American citizens discussing whatever with that foreign agent. The American's phone was not tapped but their conversation was recorded from the other end (foreign agent's tap), sorted through, and a decision was made whether to dump or retain or further analyze their side of the conversation.

So in this case, he, his sons, his campaign staff/surrogates, whoever, may have communicated to (foreign) individuals who were being tapped, without them having to be tapped themselves.

[BannonsLiver]

17. Holy shit

[littlemissmartypants]

34. Prestidigitation deluxe. eom

[Adrahil]

24. Not what he said....

He said the White House did not order wire taps, not that there weren't any.

As Rachel pointed out last night, the fact they had transcripts of Flynn's conversations suggests there may have been some kind of warrant....

[asiliveandbreathe]

30. Bazinga!!!!!eom

[Charles Bukowski]

31. Which explains why Trump is acting as paranoid

as Nixon on an 8-ball right now.

[Adrahil]

33. I hope this is finally it.. but won't my hopes too high yet. NT

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Think it is hard to understand exactly who is being quoted as a source. Gathering

there is the source - Obama Spokesman, the one I see from CNN, and now NYT is
quoting someone else, I think

One senior law enforcement official from the Obama administration, who has direct knowledge of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia and of government wiretapping, said that it was “100 percent untrue” that the government had wiretapped Mr. Trump. The official, who asked for anonymity to discuss matters related to investigations and intelligence, said the White House owed the American people an explanation for the president’s allegations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html

[anglesphere]

27. Can't Obama sue

for false accusations?

[asiliveandbreathe]

29. Hey, why did Flynn fess up finally - 'cause they got transcripts..

IC - FISA - talky talky to Russian Ambass....

Seems to me - with the question to sessions from Sen. Franken - appears Franken had some canary feathers floatin' out of his mouth at the time - He knows sessions talked to Russian Ambass..

[newblewtoo]

35. Multi purpose shit here.

No wire tap. No problem. You can't prove the Russian connection (at least that will be what Trumpeters believe)

Wire tap. Rot roh, you wire tapped an opponent. Show us what you found. (Trumpeters will demand declassification and when it is not forth coming scream cover up.)

In either case this has effectively put the Obama team on defense against accusations.. Watch the Sunday shows for a "What did Obama know,when did he know it" moment. It is easy to set a perjury trap, you walk the victim out on the tightrope then shake it a bit. The clench level at the FBI must be at an all time high now. People will be on eggshells looking for weak links. Not going to be a fun time.

[BannonsLiver]

40. We must be living in alternate universes.

How's the weather in yours?

[ret5hd]

45. There's a shit storm comin'!

[BannonsLiver]

48. Perfect imagery

And let me also say "how rude!1!"

[ret5hd]

50. .

[bunnies]

46. Presidents can't order wiretaps.

Obama has NOTHING to worry about.

[tavernier]

54. Worry about?

I would rather think right now he's laughing his ass off at the continuing circus and the chief clown.

[bunnies]

55. Exactly. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

47. Um WTF?

[pnwmom]

57. The Obama team is not on the defense because DT is LYING. DT's the one who should be afraid

when the tightrope is shaken, not Obama.

[Iggo]

59. "What did Obama know...?"

That's all I'm asking!

[KingCharlemagne]

61. Hunh? Please proceed. - nt

[newblewtoo]

66. Thank you.

Now that we have seen the Sunday shows we see that this has indeed taken up the news cycle. This was exactly the shit storm Trump was looking for. There is a great graphic on another post titled "Taxonomy of DJT's Tweets" that is pretty much spot on.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10028749996

tRump is a master of putting the other guy on defense, changing the conversation. Eventually people will have to go 'on the record' no more anonymous sources. It would appear the game is afoot. He has brought Obama into the conversation.

[Amaryllis]

53. No one said no wiretap, just that O didn't order one.

[Renew Deal]

58. Chances are Trump wasn't wiretapped

Someone else was. But Trump is screwed either way. Either someone was wiretapped and a warrant exists or Trump made it up.

[quaker bill]

63. I would bet that they intercept, record, and transcribe all the Russians

Trump was not wiretapped. It would not have been necessary. Intercepting the Russian communications is just routine and has been normal since the Cold War. If he or his people were talking to the Russians, it was surely swept up in the normal and completely routine NSA sigint.

From what I have been reading it is likely that any number of national intelligence agencies in europe found listening in to be in their best interest as well.

Was Trump foolish enough to believe that no one was listening?

[lame54]

64. That's a stupid strategy...

as stupid as saying crazy shit to distract us so the house can move another crappy bill forward

with each bat-crap crazy incident this asshole pulls - he is that much closer to being run out of there

no way he can sustain this level of psychosis and expect to remain president for long

he is not playing 3-D chess here - he is just nuts

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. You are right, but I don't think he realizes that his hysteric bursts hurt him in the long run. If

he did, he would stop. But he never does. Any sane person would immediately realize this - or would listen when others tell them they hurt his image. He must not have that ability.

Don't know if it's 3-D chess though. Seems simple. "How do we find out if we've been tapped at TT?" - "Let's say we are and see if anyone says we were not"